Newbie Mini Mafia LX - Page 56

On January 12 2015 01:34 Tubesock wrote:
Scott,

Is it safe to say your preferred lynch order would be:

The Shining
-Celestial-
Silverarte

?

On January 12 2015 03:10 Half the Sky wrote:


Introduction

This is largely Rasputin's case folks, in terms of ideas and original thought. I have pulled the relevant quotes and/or given references for complete support. I have also added commentary and a few additional points on my own.

From her passage N3, in her own words:



Pulling the argument piece by piece

Relevant quotes from the filter:

1 "for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now"



The above comment, to be fair, TS has responded to this. But I believe she might have been taking this in aggregate with everything else. I had called him out on the first part of the second sentence myself. Regarding the second part, we obviously know that she is town, and even I had not seen any evidence of bluehunting, which I questioned myself.

2 "but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW"



Post flip:



Rasputin has a point with this. I see no visible logic for shifting off ExO in the filter. In fact there was no comment on his thought on ExO since the comment copied above.



3 "says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-"



The defensive posts are taking questions for the most part, and that can be vouched for on page 2. Same for the push on Celestial. To me, the push on Celestial in of itself isn't scum like behaviour but lack of reads, and progression and scumhunting etc is what might have been the issue. As in, he is not helping town.

4 then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?)



If I'm understanding #2 correctly, there is an inconsistency in following why Shining exempts one of the smaller wagons but not another. Which I can see a double standard as problematic.

To add my input to #4, the problem I have with this is not only that it's WIFOM but upon review, Celestial actually showed some of the signs of breadcrumbing. From my interpretation of Celestial's filter, relevant quotes are below, operative words in bold.

I have before maintained that it is very possible to do this using an example I gave to Tubesock from the Carol game. In a newbie game, I would say the chances are more likely.





Another point I want to add is that scum posting tend to fall off towards late game. This is a general statement admittedly, and by itself isn't indicative, as people can lurk all game, but when taken into consideration with other evidence, could be a further issue. The fact he said he'd step it up and didn't is a problem.

Finally, when you throw in Scott's individual point about voting on unflipped association (which I've reviewed separately), it does make him look even worse.

Feedback from anyone at this point would be appreciated.

On aggregate, I feel he is, indeed, a viable lynch.

On January 12 2015 03:22 Silverarte wrote:
I am here! Reading through what I missed. Sorry guys. I got really sick and posting was a bad, bad idea. ><

On January 09 2015 14:53 rsoultin wrote:
Okay...

I won't lynch the following tomorrow under any circumstances:
HTS
ExO (lesser town read, but still a town read)

Those I would prefer not to lynch from strongest to weakest:
JarJar (despite the OMGUS moment at his case, was consistent on his reads leading up to the lynch, and voted sensibly)
Tubesock (appeared tunneled, took responsibility afterwards, solid posting before and after)
Silver (complete null)
Shining (suspicious, don't like the lying, but his defense was otherwise convincing and he's improved in Day 2. willing to give him more time)
Gumdrop (suspicious, but he hasn't posted hardly at all. the only thing that doesn't make this a policy lynch is the point I asked him to clarify on EoD...and I'd like to see his answer before lynching him)

On to lynchables:

LS - <3 you, dude, but I think you're a solid lynch
+ all actives you townread (with the exception of shining at null), and all inactives you null read (scum WW as "worst inactive") - thanks to ExO (I think) for turning me on to this gem
+ only reaction to WWs soft claim was to ask him to claim
+ sudden rage after flip and saying you tunneled him...where? your reads put him as basically the worst of your nulls
+ meta point: afraid of lynching blues in all prior games

-Celestial- - not personal either, but you're my top choice
+ all three lynchwagons were scumread by you in your last Day 1 list post, with waffling back and forth on LS afterwards
+ kept saying WW lynch felt wrong, yet reacted to blue claim saying it wasn't enough to convince "us" (weren't you already convinced given your posts?)
+ more about WW lynch feeling wrong, but did nothing about it i.e. tried to get others to vote JarJar with you or change your vote to other two scumreads LS and Shining
+ lesser point, but you never mention my static vote on WW despite Shining case until I question you...why didn't it come up before in your WW lynch feels wrong posts?

Will place the vote here tomorrow morning, all things remaining equal. If anyone wants links to the posts behind those points, please ask. (Was going for readability.)

On January 12 2015 05:02 Silverarte wrote:
As far as Rsoultin goes: Oi woman! ><!!!

And towny words or not, Tubesock, I think it's time I probably claim with checks considering it's Mylo/Lylo (whatever it is). I'm the Cop.

My checks were on Tubesock and ExO_, both clearing as town.

The two checks are, I believe, solid. Tubesock has been continually contributing and consisitently. ExO_, unless he's the godfather, is also clear. My spidey senses say and hope he isn't! My checks said town after all!
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