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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
January 10 2015 23:52 GMT
#1061
Apparently I didn't get lynched. Unfortunately now I'm bloody useless because one of two things will happen this night:
1. Mafia kills me
2. Mafia roleblocks me (assuming they have a roleblocker) and just parks it there for the rest of the game

Given that I think the first is more likely...goodbye and good luck.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 23:57 GMT
#1062
What are you even talking about, ExO? Are you really trying to say that no one else is scum-hunting this game? I'm not nitpicking you. You legitimately said in your own post that if Tube flipped town that would be telling, in the same sentence that you mentioned Tube and yourself as pushing the same counterwagon.

I am not making it up it's right in what you said:

On January 10 2015 08:46 ExO_ wrote:

[...]

On the other hand, if he flips town then this gets really hard. it could be that LS has had too much momentum on him all of day 2, but when Tube and I were both pushing Celestial nobody else even tried to get another wagon going, or jumped on Celestial....which now that I think about it might be revealing.

Still, we'll have a much better idea in 15 minutes.


This looks like you're going to go somewhere with it and isn't lining up with your explanations now. Am I supposed to just drop it when you're not making sense?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
January 10 2015 23:58 GMT
#1063
I want to give off my reads in case I get shot -

From Town to null -

Tubesock- He’s actively trying to solve the game. A good insomnia post of his - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#659 with good reads.

Half the Sky – she shows intent to solve the game, gives reads, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=32#633 is a good example of trying to solve the game.

Rsolutin – Asking questions, trying to steer us in the right direction, warning others about bluefishing (a scummy trait) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=14#278 – --slight town

Exo_ - Seems to be reading and solving and giving his reads as well - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#641 – slight town


Scum – In order from least to most scummy


Jarjarbinks – Although he is giving reads, He’s a mixed bag with a lot of fluff. null/scum lean for now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=43#851

Silverarte – Asks a bunch of questions without responding to ones they are asked. Trying to fly under the radar. Leaning scum

Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum

The Shining – scum – refuses to move his vote for both mislynches, tries to lay under the radar, says he’s solving the game but is not.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 23:59 GMT
#1064
Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post.

Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads)

Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively)

Would Lynch:
- ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did)

- Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?)

- Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses


Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 11 2015 00:00 GMT
#1065
Day post incoming
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 11 2015 00:01 GMT
#1066
On January 11 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post.

Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads)

Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively)

Would Lynch:
- ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did)

- Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?)

- Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses


Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role.


I was the first to bring up Celestial rsoultin. Tube didn't start on him until after I did. Are you lying, or have you just not read the thread?
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 11 2015 00:03 GMT
#1067
Day Three


rsoultin the Vanilla Townie has been killed.

Welcome to Newbie Mini Mafia LX. You are Kim Bauer, the Vanilla Townie. You don't really do much, aside from getting stalked by cougars. You have no abilities, aside from your vote. You win with town.


It's time to decide the next lynch.
Day Three ends on Tuesday, Jan 13 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 11 2015 00:05 GMT
#1068
I can't reply to ExO unfortunately. You have my last will and testament.

GG! GL TOWNIES!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
January 11 2015 00:11 GMT
#1069
Roleblocked as expected. What a bloody nuisance. -_-
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
January 11 2015 00:25 GMT
#1070
gg bud -

So let's look over what rsolutin says -

On January 11 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post.

Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads)

Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively)

Would Lynch:
- ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did)

- Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?)

- Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses


Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role.


I think the shining is a better lynch though and I'll explain why -

So The Shining voted on both mislynches, and never changed his vote. His reasoning for voting LightningStrike was pretty weak, IMO –


Day 1 Final Vote Count

jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial-
LightningStrike (2): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle
Gumdrop (0): Tubesock
TheWarWaffle (5): rsoultin,LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock, The Shining
Tubesock (0): TheWarWaffle
ExO_ (1): Gumdrop, The Shining
The Shining (3): Half the Sky,Trfel, jarjarbinks

Day 2

LightningStrike (7): The Shining, jarjarbinks, -Celestial-, Tubesock, Half the Sky, ExO_, rsoultin
The Shining (0): LightningStrike
-Celestial- (1): ExO_, LightningStrike, Tubesock, ExO_, rsoultin, Silverarte
ExO_ (1): LightningStrike

Not Voting (1): Gumdrop



On January 08 2015 10:01 The Shining wrote:
Currently, a bit of this is association reads, as I think Celestial's vote on mafia(Jar Jar) will look good later in the game if JJ flips scum. I'm most sure, though, of LS being scum here, especially with that last post before EoN. For whatever reason, Mafia like to afk the vote.

##Vote: LightningStrike


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=31#608

He AFK votes himself on LS, and says himself “mafia like to afk the vote.” Is he trying to blend in? He doesn’t listen to reason to change his vote, either.


As for LS and Jar Jar, I've only ever played with Jar Jar once or twice, in much more inactive games, as we all know. So yes, the walls of text posts are out of character to me, as well. I don't like that he tried to direct today with basically no follow through, either. You can't just hint at Trfel's voting me as being the reason he died, then offer absolutely nothing else up.

And my vote is staying on LS until I hear a defense. Even then, I'm pretty sure I'll keep it there. I don't believe in the VT claim and I've already stated my reasons for my vote.

He's just running some meta information - trying to stay under the radar.

On January 06 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote:
Let me start by apologizing. I got home from work shortly after my last post and knocked out. I'm now smack dab in my weekend today and tomorrow, though, so I should be able to be more active before Wednesday. Also, I am he, since pronouns seem be coming up this game a lot. XD

"It would help if you clarified who the "someone" you're talking about is and what you're actually wondering. Could they be what?" This was RSoultin's last post at the time I questioned her. At first, I was inclined to believe she was just scumhunting when questioning HTS. But after reading and catching up, I'm leaning towards Celestial as town. Celestial basically said what I would've. It looked like she was looking for others who were different from the rest, and under the guise of town, would just look like scumhunting. The Mafia obviously knows who all is town. By jumping around to multiple people, they increase the chances of blue tells. I also don't know Rsoultin's meta on here at all to know if her town play is more aggressive here than other times I've played with her.

However, as the thread progressed, HTS seemed to lean increasingly more scummy, which makes me believe Rsoultin is leaning town, after all. WarWaffle questioned a few things in HTS's opening posts and I've yet to see any sort of response to him, although HTS has posted a few times since. And about me a lot. The more you tunnel on me, the more you hope to deflect from the points WW made about you, is that it?

ExO was leaning town for me up until the part where he said I look like scummy and called for the vig, assuming we have one, to kill me tonight. And that was it. ExO, unless you're trying to just bandwagon off of someone else's logic, I would really like to know what about my post made me look scummy? Otherwise, you're just taking advantage of HTS pushing suspicion on me and trying to garner support for it before I can defend myself. Mafia would love it if the vig would do their killing for them. You've also already put in a lynch vote. Why so quick to kill? We're required to lynch Day 1 but we still have a lot of time to gather information.


Here he's trying to say "Well I read Rsoultin is leaning town" and adds a bunch of keywords and fluff.

He doesn't have any solid reads in his filter (and it's extremely small, trying to blend in)- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=The Shining

It's lylo 5-3, so we need to hit today or we're screwed guys.

## Vote: The Shining
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
January 11 2015 00:34 GMT
#1071
I've caught up during the night, anyone have any questions for me?

THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
January 11 2015 00:40 GMT
#1072
If anyone is wondering why I put the save on rsoultin: she's been talking a lot and in the last few pages has been saying not to lynch me D3 because its easier to just ignore me.

Consequently if they weren't actually going to kill ME then the next obvious target would seem to be her. Which quiets a voice saying I shouldn't be lynched D3. Expect the mafia to push my lynch hard today.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
January 11 2015 00:40 GMT
#1073
Or at least that's how I read her posts.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 11 2015 00:45 GMT
#1074
On January 11 2015 09:40 -Celestial- wrote:
Or at least that's how I read her posts.


You are not getting lynched today.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 11 2015 00:55 GMT
#1075
The biggest problem to the ExO_ lynch for me is that he's been helpful.

Before Scott131337, the only people who I felt were helpful to me were ExO_, HTS, and Rsoultin.

The people who are unhelpful to me were:

-Celestial-, Jarjar, Shining, Silverarte, and Gumdrops.

I'd prefer to lynch Silverarte today. Let's keep the ExO and Shining conversation going though.



Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 11 2015 00:58 GMT
#1076
On January 11 2015 09:01 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post.

Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads)

Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively)

Would Lynch:
- ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did)

- Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?)

- Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses


Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role.


I was the first to bring up Celestial rsoultin. Tube didn't start on him until after I did. Are you lying, or have you just not read the thread?


I remember her talking to and questioning Celestial before you did Night 1. I assume she's speaking on that.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 11 2015 01:19 GMT
#1077
I'm back in thread, I have another late night tonight, so I am willing to talk about whatever.

First things first, GGs Rasputin. We are going to sort this shit out.

Second, this is aimed at JarJar, I just realised on recapping, that you actually missed two of my previous questions regarding your equations. You did answer the part about the dead voting percentages, and I stand corrected on those, and I understand now what you are driving at.

I look forward to seeing your revised ratings and the bases for those.

But again, in case you missed (original inquiry on page 50):

On January 11 2015 02:57 jarjarbinks wrote:
JJB, a few more questions on your equations and how you applied them. You scumread LS based on the (I assume?) VT claim. Did his post-lynch comments have any bearing on your rating?

Shining question I asked before, but will ask again, he's since posted, and you're saying you have no alignment indicative information?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 11 2015 01:22 GMT
#1078
EBWOP - That's most of the original quote here for readability.

On January 10 2015 23:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 17:03 jarjarbinks wrote:
27% (3/10 +/- 3%) is the lowest % you can have. I'm attaching mini-normal % increases based on how the dead voted and giving myself a 3% buffer for on my opinions of their play so far.

1. LS- 46%. 14% increase based on dead votes and a 2% increase based on today's play and the day 1 claim. I still sympathize with LS, but that's why I'm using equations over my feelings. One of the cases I saw with LS in also had everyone on LS's balls for almost the whole game (at least based off votes).

2. Shining- 39%. 9% increase based on dead votes. 0% on my opinions of the 2 days play.

[...]


JJB, a few more questions on your equations and how you applied them. You scumread LS based on the (I assume?) VT claim. Did his post-lynch comments have any bearing on your rating?

Shining question I asked before, but will ask again, he's since posted, and you're saying you have no alignment indicative information?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 11 2015 01:28 GMT
#1079
The Shining
Half the Sky
jarjarbinks
scott31337
Silverarte
ExO_
-Celestial-
Tubesock

This is the remaining players. Out of these:

Myself, HTS, Tubesock have all been very active and helpful.

Celestial is still a question mark in my mind.

Leaving:

JarJar, Shining, scott, Silverate

I think the lynch has to be one of those 4. b/c scott was the inactive gumdrops it's hard for me to see lynching him right off the bat.

Silverate has posted next to nothing.

Jarjar is impossible for me to read: He isn't very articulate and I've largely ignored what he has to say. But my impression as of this moment without filter diving isn't that he's scum, it's that he's just pretty "meh" town

Shining had a lot of suspicion on him day 1. Day 2 I seemed to think he was just playing poorly on day 1, and wasn't scum. But now his case needs to seriously be looked at.

Until I go filter diving, it'll be hard for me to push somebody. I feel like because we let the inactives chill so much, we're really paying for it now. I think in future games I'll be more likely to go for inactives early on, so that I won't have to wonder "is that player with almost no posts a mafia? or an inactive town?".

Anywho, I'm supposed to be playing video mafia in 30 minutes (though I suspect not enough will show up) and then I'm going to stream civ. I don't feel like doing a lot of intense reading b/c I'm depressed with the current state of this game.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 11 2015 01:41 GMT
#1080
HTS, ExO_,

I need advice.

I can't help it as on paper I know it's bad, but I think Shining is Town based on my tinfoil hat. After N2, a couple people including Rsoultin said the tinfoil hat may not be so bad.

Scott comes in with 2 posts and at first I think I can easily sheep him. Then I think that -Celestial- who is still alive, and I think is super scummy, built a case on Shining.

Rsoultin towned Jarjar who was my "strongest" scum behind Celestial minus his un-CC claim.

This leaves as the mafia team:

Celestial, Silverarte, and Scott/Gumdrops.

Rsoultin died because she's the most important player to town. For me, this gives credence to towning Jarjar. It also would theoretically set up a mlynch of ExO_.

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