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On January 11 2015 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, I'm less certain about Celestial than I was. I want to call him scum so bad, because I think his town play was crap if he was town...sorry, I should probably be nicer about it, but, eh...I do think he actually breadcrumbed (advertently or inadvertently) his role to some extent if he was doctor.
For instance, he was super concerned about being NKd, kept going on about it. The concern about bluehunting in the beginning I think was over the top, unless he was concerned because he had a blue role and so was paranoid about it. And then there's how his discussion of the NKs was so doctor focused. He kept going back to players who were likely to be doc saves being the explanation for why Trfel (not a likely doc save) was killed.
To me that seems that if he was scum at the very least his mind was on what the doctor was doing, or he was deliberately trying to breadcrumb. I think there's way too much doubt without a CC and the breadcrumbing to justify a Celestial lynch unless you're down to the last scum and are sold on everyone else being town.
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I don't want you to think I thought that before, I didn't pick up at all on his breadrumbing or doctor talk. But, it seems highly likely and logical.
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I can still mock him though right?
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I also disagree with you on that, Tube, about ExO. Scum or town can buddy up or cast doubt, and he never followed through on that post (that I recall).
The follow-through from ExO is missing for scum-hunting, I think. You see HTS doing it. Asking questions. Reevaluating the answers. ExO seems to just throw it out there.
I encourage you to read his filter. It seems very scattershot to me, especially on Day 1.
I also don't like at all that he keeps on about you and him being the "Celestial push". No offense, but the majority of his argument were the things I already said looked scummy about Celestial's EoD play. And they did. However he conveniently forgets where he got those points from?
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On January 11 2015 06:44 rsoultin wrote:
I also disagree with you on that, Tube, about ExO. Scum or town can buddy up or cast doubt, and he never followed through on that post (that I recall).
The follow-through from ExO is missing for scum-hunting, I think. You see HTS doing it. Asking questions. Reevaluating the answers. ExO seems to just throw it out there.
I encourage you to read his filter. It seems very scattershot to me, especially on Day 1.
I also don't like at all that he keeps on about you and him being the "Celestial push". No offense, but the majority of his argument were the things I already said looked scummy about Celestial's EoD play. And they did. However he conveniently forgets where he got those points from?
I agree that his points probably weren't original. He didn't need to pursue the answer to my questions because just before I labelled Celestial mafia. Celestial even posted the exact post that ExO was talking to me about and it showed the answer was Celestial. It's WIFOM to think that Celestial wouldn't know the answer without a very tight noose around his neck, but I think the point is IF I didn't know who ExO was asking about, he would have said something further. I do this all the time, I'll ask someone something, and if they give a good answer, I leave them.
I agree that buddying up isn't alignment indicative. My argument is that mafia wouldn't vet in thread who they are buddying up with, they'd ask in their QT.
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I guess I'm not really following.
How was he veting you?
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His post just reads to me like he's softing yet another point on Celestial. Whether you knew what he was talking about or not doesn't seem that significant, since he specifically mentioned it was the opening post that he was talking about, and all it takes is a look through the filter to find it.
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Trfel didn't scum anyone in his filter. The closest you can get is where he said it was weird that everyone towned -Celestial- and he didn't understand that. That was a very subtle way of scumming someone.
I think ExO_ was seeing if I read Trfel's case critically and was paying attention, and trying to find information. My response told him I did infact see the same post, and am acting on it.
Sadly, despite both you and ExO_ questioning/pushing whatever earlier than when I filter dove Trfel, I didn't suspect -Celestial- for a good halfway through my questioning of him. I started feeling weird, and then saw where you were suspicious of Cele and then I starting thinking more, and not liking Celestial's answers. Then I apparently was condescending to him and posted the baby seal post. Which, I wonder if he knows the significance of the baby seal and mafia.
Celestial, I am not calling you fat. The Seal thing is a mafia reference to some play long ago a mafia guy did trying to look innocent.
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Hmm, you could be very right.
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I just don't know how you could arrive at any different answer, is all. I'm not saying you're not critically thinking. Just not sure that ExO was doing anything but bringing up another point on Celestial, and really not seeing how that post was alignment indicative at all.
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I don't understand why mafiaExO would add another soft point would change things?
He may have asked it, but wouldn't mafiaExO also use that point in his argument? Did i miss it when he did?
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On January 11 2015 07:07 rsoultin wrote:
I just don't know how you could arrive at any different answer, is all. I'm not saying you're not critically thinking. Just not sure that ExO was doing anything but bringing up another point on Celestial, and really not seeing how that post was alignment indicative at all.
Ah. It's mainly from my interactions in Carol with Alakaslam. It's how I reached out to him, and I was able to connect and use more interactions later to town him or not. He posted some flying post, and I nitpicked it to pieces in my head, so I wanted to know why he posted it.
I guess I felt ExO was doing the same to me but with something in game and on case specific.
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He was directing his post at Celestial.
He started a case against Celestial about lying about LS. Kept on the LS wagon. Then brought up Trfel's filter to Celestial. A scum motivation for it could be as simple as giving himself an excuse to switch his vote over.
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I thought he was talking to me. Are we talking about the quote I just quoted a few posts ago?
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On January 09 2015 08:03 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:51 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:43 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial
Why do you think mafia nked trfel? Does the above answer your question? In short: main reason being disruption. Because it makes us doubt the three people up for vote on D1 because he didn't much like any of the targets. It did to a degree. Let me ask you another question. Trfel said he didn't like any of the lynches. Having reread his filter a couple times, I found something to be odd. Before the it became apparent that WW or LS or Shining was likely to die, there was only one person whoose opening post he specifically mentions as being off. He never got to really expand on it, but can you guess who it is?
This one wasn't it?
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On January 11 2015 07:19 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 08:03 ExO_ wrote:On January 09 2015 07:51 -Celestial- wrote:On January 09 2015 07:43 ExO_ wrote:
@Celestial
Why do you think mafia nked trfel? Does the above answer your question? In short: main reason being disruption. Because it makes us doubt the three people up for vote on D1 because he didn't much like any of the targets. It did to a degree. Let me ask you another question. Trfel said he didn't like any of the lynches. Having reread his filter a couple times, I found something to be odd. Before the it became apparent that WW or LS or Shining was likely to die, there was only one person whoose opening post he specifically mentions as being off. He never got to really expand on it, but can you guess who it is? This one wasn't it?
That's the one, I'm finding it on day 2 and rereading. If he wasn't talking to me, then yeah I'm way off.
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He quoted Celeste when he posted that. See the nested quote.
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Start at the top of page 39 just looking at who ExO was talking to.
I posted something, then wihtout quoting a minute or two later he responds with the post we are talking about.
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On January 11 2015 06:18 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 05:54 ExO_ wrote:
Computer is finally working again. I've been working on it since 9am.
I'm not sure what exactly rsoultin is trying to say here. That somehow I wasn't scum hunting? I feel like I'm one of the few in the thread that's at least tried. For all the talk, I pushed Celestial day 2, because I thought his play was scummy. Hell he might be scum now. I'm not 100% sold on his doc claim. But what did everybody else besides tubesock do? Just stuck on LS.
I scumread LS on day 1. I thought WW was kinda scummy too. And based on his play I feel like the lynch on WW was justified. For a blue town role, WW played like garbage. I think the same of LS, for a town role he played very poorly. And I can tell you since I scum read LS on day 1, it's very easy for me to stay on him day 2. I have an ego, I want to be right and be able to say "check out how good I am, I picked him out on day1!". But it didn't go down like that.
That being said, you've gotta be kidding me. I don't switch off of the votes day 1 because it wasn't necessary. I think I would've preferred LS lynch day 1, but the WW lynch made sense to me. And as I've said previously, I would've switched to WW if vote shenanigans went down at the last second.
My read on LS was wrong. But at least I'm trying to scum read people. And I'm trying hard not to tunnel vision on the first scum read I make.
If you have questions for me ask. I'll do my best to explain anything I've said. I can tell you for sure though I am not scum, and I think my play this game shows that. To be honest with you, ExO...I don't get your LS/WW progression because of your argument with Trfel It seems like you're pushing him toward WW in that post, while staying on LS, after you already said you wouldn't move your vote from LS. Afterwards you claimed that you'd move after you were asked about the fit you threw after flip, but nothing about it beforehand.
I thought WW was scummy, but LS was my top read. I said I wouldn't move my vote from LS because it wasn't necessary, but I 100% would have if last second vote changes had gone done.
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