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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 22:31 GMT
#1041
Yeah, I see it, but he's quoting Celestial who just asked him if he'd answered ExO's question?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 10 2015 22:31 GMT
#1042
Turns out I'm dumb.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 22:34 GMT
#1043
Nah, it's okay, Tube. I called my brother a liar for what was probably a typo lol. We all misread sometimes.

ExO...you're repeating yourself -_-

And you're not answering my question to you. I just...you're frustrating me -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 22:37 GMT
#1044
On January 08 2015 14:33 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote:
HTS, you still here? I need someone to talk to who I'm not scumreading/feeling iffy about.

What are your impressions on the voting? I read your earlier post and can see you're not sure about LS or JarJar right now.

Something else came to mind as I was thinking. Why are Celestial and ExO mad at WW for softclaiming when they weren't voting for him in the first place? It's an idle thought but seems out of place from where I'm sitting now. I get the ones who were scumreading/lynching him being upset.



I'm mad at WW for bad play. He has a blue role. but he's inactive as hell, and when he does post his reads are bad and filled with wrong information. Then he soft claims blue when he's about to die. I know I'd try to fake claim if I was a mafia and looking like the inevitable lynch, and that's what this looked like to me.

So I'm mad that an important town player couldn't take the time to play the game, potentially fucking the rest of us over. I didn't switch my vote over to him because I didn't need to. But I was around at EoD and you better believe I was watching for last second shenanigans. If I saw people moving votes at the last second, I would've jumped on to the WW train.

I still believe LS was the better vote. I still believe LS is scum now. But the case on WW was decent in my opinion.


This is the first time you mention making a vote change, ExO, after I questioned your reaction to the flip. You didn't leading up to EoD. If you did, please link me to it, because I'm not seeing it.

I'm sorry, but anyone can concoct a story later.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 22:38 GMT
#1045
On January 11 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 03:23 rsoultin wrote:
On January 10 2015 08:46 ExO_ wrote:
I am. and at least for me, I think it's a sign he's scum.

If he flips scum it'll be easy to see that scum all bussed him because they were afraid. And since he had a bit of attention on day 1 as well, I think it'll be easy to work out who might be scum.

Compare this to day 1, in which we lynched a town. The votes where everywhere. It'd be surprising to me if all the mafia ended up on the same town wagon.


On the other hand, if he flips town then this gets really hard. it could be that LS has had too much momentum on him all of day 2, but when Tube and I were both pushing Celestial nobody else even tried to get another wagon going, or jumped on Celestial....which now that I think about it might be revealing.

Still, we'll have a much better idea in 15 minutes.


Where were you going with this? You apparently had an idea that you failed to address after flip even though LS did in fact flip town. But all you wanted to talk about was game mechanics?


That.


Nobody tried to disturb the status quo, meaning I might've been on the wrong track about LS. However I really did think LS was going to flip scum, and that mafia were heavily bussing.

ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 22:39 GMT
#1046
On January 11 2015 07:37 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 14:33 ExO_ wrote:
On January 08 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote:
HTS, you still here? I need someone to talk to who I'm not scumreading/feeling iffy about.

What are your impressions on the voting? I read your earlier post and can see you're not sure about LS or JarJar right now.

Something else came to mind as I was thinking. Why are Celestial and ExO mad at WW for softclaiming when they weren't voting for him in the first place? It's an idle thought but seems out of place from where I'm sitting now. I get the ones who were scumreading/lynching him being upset.



I'm mad at WW for bad play. He has a blue role. but he's inactive as hell, and when he does post his reads are bad and filled with wrong information. Then he soft claims blue when he's about to die. I know I'd try to fake claim if I was a mafia and looking like the inevitable lynch, and that's what this looked like to me.

So I'm mad that an important town player couldn't take the time to play the game, potentially fucking the rest of us over. I didn't switch my vote over to him because I didn't need to. But I was around at EoD and you better believe I was watching for last second shenanigans. If I saw people moving votes at the last second, I would've jumped on to the WW train.

I still believe LS was the better vote. I still believe LS is scum now. But the case on WW was decent in my opinion.


This is the first time you mention making a vote change, ExO, after I questioned your reaction to the flip. You didn't leading up to EoD. If you did, please link me to it, because I'm not seeing it.

I'm sorry, but anyone can concoct a story later.


On January 08 2015 14:33 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote:
HTS, you still here? I need someone to talk to who I'm not scumreading/feeling iffy about.

What are your impressions on the voting? I read your earlier post and can see you're not sure about LS or JarJar right now.

Something else came to mind as I was thinking. Why are Celestial and ExO mad at WW for softclaiming when they weren't voting for him in the first place? It's an idle thought but seems out of place from where I'm sitting now. I get the ones who were scumreading/lynching him being upset.



I'm mad at WW for bad play. He has a blue role. but he's inactive as hell, and when he does post his reads are bad and filled with wrong information. Then he soft claims blue when he's about to die. I know I'd try to fake claim if I was a mafia and looking like the inevitable lynch, and that's what this looked like to me.

So I'm mad that an important town player couldn't take the time to play the game, potentially fucking the rest of us over. I didn't switch my vote over to him because I didn't need to. But I was around at EoD and you better believe I was watching for last second shenanigans. If I saw people moving votes at the last second, I would've jumped on to the WW train.

I still believe LS was the better vote. I still believe LS is scum now. But the case on WW was decent in my opinion.


Check the date
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 22:44 GMT
#1047
ExO maybe I'm dumb but I don't get it -_- My question to you was definitely after the flip.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 22:46 GMT
#1048
Oh I misread you're first post @.@

And yeah that's the first time I mentioned a vote change. No vote shenanigans went down, so I didn't need to change my vote.

If you're working from the assumption I'm scum, think about that for a second. Why would I bother telling everyone I thought the case on WW was fine and I would've switched my vote to him? If I'm scum, I have my vote stuck on another person and can argue that I really thought they were scum and that's why I didn't switch. Why wouldn't I just jump on the train initially?

It doesn't make any sense.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 22:46 GMT
#1049
I thought you were quoting me the 2nd time saying I would've switched votes and saying that was the first time I mentioned it
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 22:48 GMT
#1050
On January 11 2015 07:38 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote:
On January 11 2015 03:23 rsoultin wrote:
On January 10 2015 08:46 ExO_ wrote:
I am. and at least for me, I think it's a sign he's scum.

If he flips scum it'll be easy to see that scum all bussed him because they were afraid. And since he had a bit of attention on day 1 as well, I think it'll be easy to work out who might be scum.

Compare this to day 1, in which we lynched a town. The votes where everywhere. It'd be surprising to me if all the mafia ended up on the same town wagon.


On the other hand, if he flips town then this gets really hard. it could be that LS has had too much momentum on him all of day 2, but when Tube and I were both pushing Celestial nobody else even tried to get another wagon going, or jumped on Celestial....which now that I think about it might be revealing.

Still, we'll have a much better idea in 15 minutes.


Where were you going with this? You apparently had an idea that you failed to address after flip even though LS did in fact flip town. But all you wanted to talk about was game mechanics?


That.


Nobody tried to disturb the status quo, meaning I might've been on the wrong track about LS. However I really did think LS was going to flip scum, and that mafia were heavily bussing.



So all that statement meant was that you could be wrong? Then why did you say we'd have a "much better idea" in 15 minutes? Again, it's not to be super picky about wording, but that implies you actually thought that there was some sort of significance to LS flipping town and you and Tube pushing Celestial earlier.

We'd know in 15 minutes whether LS was town or scum. We'd have a much better idea of what?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 22:50 GMT
#1051
It doesn't make any sense that with your vote parked on LS and trfel saying he was voting for LS, that you started arguing with him that the WW wagon had merit.

That's bugging me. It's like you wanted him to settle there even though your choice was LS.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 23:11 GMT
#1052
On January 11 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
It doesn't make any sense that with your vote parked on LS and trfel saying he was voting for LS, that you started arguing with him that the WW wagon had merit.

That's bugging me. It's like you wanted him to settle there even though your choice was LS.


Who was I arguing with that the WW wagon had merit exactly?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 23:13 GMT
#1053
On January 07 2015 06:59 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 06:54 Trfel wrote:
I apologize to everyone (well okay, just the townies), I don't have time to read everyone and choose the ideal lynch target based on only my own analysis. My fault. I will do better next time.

The bandwagon on TheWarWaffle feels like a policy lynch. The read on Half the Sky is extremely weak, but others have done the same thing. Still, I like the fact that he is analyzing wording and constructing an argument, even if I disagree with said argument.


I'm not sure I agree that it's a policy lynch. Go read his big read post. None of it makes any sense whatsoever. Its blatantly wrong about a lot of players thus far. Read it and then come back and say it's still just a policy lynch.


That's the post I'm referring to. Am I misinterpreting it?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 23:14 GMT
#1054
On January 11 2015 07:48 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 07:38 ExO_ wrote:
On January 11 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote:
On January 11 2015 03:23 rsoultin wrote:
On January 10 2015 08:46 ExO_ wrote:
I am. and at least for me, I think it's a sign he's scum.

If he flips scum it'll be easy to see that scum all bussed him because they were afraid. And since he had a bit of attention on day 1 as well, I think it'll be easy to work out who might be scum.

Compare this to day 1, in which we lynched a town. The votes where everywhere. It'd be surprising to me if all the mafia ended up on the same town wagon.


On the other hand, if he flips town then this gets really hard. it could be that LS has had too much momentum on him all of day 2, but when Tube and I were both pushing Celestial nobody else even tried to get another wagon going, or jumped on Celestial....which now that I think about it might be revealing.

Still, we'll have a much better idea in 15 minutes.


Where were you going with this? You apparently had an idea that you failed to address after flip even though LS did in fact flip town. But all you wanted to talk about was game mechanics?


That.


Nobody tried to disturb the status quo, meaning I might've been on the wrong track about LS. However I really did think LS was going to flip scum, and that mafia were heavily bussing.



So all that statement meant was that you could be wrong? Then why did you say we'd have a "much better idea" in 15 minutes? Again, it's not to be super picky about wording, but that implies you actually thought that there was some sort of significance to LS flipping town and you and Tube pushing Celestial earlier.

We'd know in 15 minutes whether LS was town or scum. We'd have a much better idea of what?


I'm not sure what you're getting caught up on. We'll have a much better idea of what the game looks like after LS flipped, one way or the other.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 23:18 GMT
#1055
-squints at-

It just read to me like you had somewhere to go, some sort of read, analysis, something, that would have followed from an LS town flip. I mean...what really did that lynch by itself say? At least looking at the votes it just says everyone piled on LS when we shouldn't have -_-.

So I was expecting some sort of follow-up that never came :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 23:19 GMT
#1056
On January 11 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 06:59 ExO_ wrote:
On January 07 2015 06:54 Trfel wrote:
I apologize to everyone (well okay, just the townies), I don't have time to read everyone and choose the ideal lynch target based on only my own analysis. My fault. I will do better next time.

The bandwagon on TheWarWaffle feels like a policy lynch. The read on Half the Sky is extremely weak, but others have done the same thing. Still, I like the fact that he is analyzing wording and constructing an argument, even if I disagree with said argument.


I'm not sure I agree that it's a policy lynch. Go read his big read post. None of it makes any sense whatsoever. Its blatantly wrong about a lot of players thus far. Read it and then come back and say it's still just a policy lynch.


That's the post I'm referring to. Am I misinterpreting it?


Well you made it sound like I'm pushing him off LS onto WW. That's not the case. I thought the case on WW was decent based on the fact that his reads were just plain horrible and wrong. It most certainly was not a policy lynch which was the main point I was trying to make.

You've taken that, and turned it into me telling somebody not to vote for one of my scum targets.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 23:21 GMT
#1057
On January 11 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote:
-squints at-

It just read to me like you had somewhere to go, some sort of read, analysis, something, that would have followed from an LS town flip. I mean...what really did that lynch by itself say? At least looking at the votes it just says everyone piled on LS when we shouldn't have -_-.

So I was expecting some sort of follow-up that never came :/


What I really thought was going to happen, is LS flips scum. This would've meant mafia bussed him heavily. Then we could've gone back and looked at where the votes ended day 1 and figured out who was bussing.

On day 1 it looks like the mafia spread their votes out, then day 2 piled them all on the same target. I thought based on day 1, mafia would try to spread their votes out again, and we'd only see a pileup like that if they were bussing.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 23:22 GMT
#1058
Eh, I don't know. I could just be misreading things in general, or it could be as simple as LS' reads being decent even when his cases aren't, and he has me paranoid. I did promise I'd at least look into his scumreads.

Do you have any reads now? A possible way ahead? LS was your main push, and Celestial you were scumreading Day 2, so who would be your possible lynch(es) Day 3?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 10 2015 23:23 GMT
#1059
On January 11 2015 08:21 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote:
-squints at-

It just read to me like you had somewhere to go, some sort of read, analysis, something, that would have followed from an LS town flip. I mean...what really did that lynch by itself say? At least looking at the votes it just says everyone piled on LS when we shouldn't have -_-.

So I was expecting some sort of follow-up that never came :/


What I really thought was going to happen, is LS flips scum. This would've meant mafia bussed him heavily. Then we could've gone back and looked at where the votes ended day 1 and figured out who was bussing.

On day 1 it looks like the mafia spread their votes out, then day 2 piled them all on the same target. I thought based on day 1, mafia would try to spread their votes out again, and we'd only see a pileup like that if they were bussing.


Gosh this is eating at me. You said that his flipping town would be telling though ><

And yeah, of course if he flipped scum it was a massive buss. Every single player was on him o.0.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 10 2015 23:51 GMT
#1060
On January 11 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 08:21 ExO_ wrote:
On January 11 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote:
-squints at-

It just read to me like you had somewhere to go, some sort of read, analysis, something, that would have followed from an LS town flip. I mean...what really did that lynch by itself say? At least looking at the votes it just says everyone piled on LS when we shouldn't have -_-.

So I was expecting some sort of follow-up that never came :/


What I really thought was going to happen, is LS flips scum. This would've meant mafia bussed him heavily. Then we could've gone back and looked at where the votes ended day 1 and figured out who was bussing.

On day 1 it looks like the mafia spread their votes out, then day 2 piled them all on the same target. I thought based on day 1, mafia would try to spread their votes out again, and we'd only see a pileup like that if they were bussing.


Gosh this is eating at me. You said that his flipping town would be telling though ><

And yeah, of course if he flipped scum it was a massive buss. Every single player was on him o.0.


Because I'm considering multiple scenarios? From my point of view right now you are trying to nit pick everything I said and hopefully something makes everyone think I'm scum.

I'm not. I've done my best to help town, and yeah my read on LS was wrong. But I'm not getting a lot of help from anybody else.
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