Crimson Starleague Invitational Season 3 - Page 21
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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Falling
Canada11217 Posts
The 4th place will be allowed to switch once, 3rd place will be allowed to switch twice, 2nd place will be allowed to switch three times, and the Champion will be allowed to switch four times. reading is a very useful talent toi have | ||
Favian[PaiN]
United States75 Posts
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Demurity
United States424 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On June 01 2014 14:30 Favian[PaiN] wrote: All of this switching is really annoying and unneccessary. We already have 32-man roster, why not just have a bracket already? On June 01 2014 15:27 Demurity wrote: ^ this 4 person switch is pretty crazy lol. The randomness factor is kind of lost, so might as well have had the 8 seeded players choose the entire groups from the start. Eh, then where's the incentive to win one season and play again the next other than simple bragging rights and a meager prize pool, if at all? It's a painful process for those that aren't getting ideal matchups, sure, but if you want a stagnant, nothing out of the ordinary tournament that has nothing new with a map pool featuring Fighting Spirit, Python, Destination, Circuit Breaker, etc. and just straight into a tournament bracket, you're not going to get it here. As a side, things like this are really why I didn't want to host Maroon anymore and am thinking about not even hosting a tournament anymore. I post a thread, describing all the information and dates and what's gonna happen throughout the tournament in the OP, and send out an invitation. Not only does no one read the thread and ask questions that are obviously answered in the thread, they seem to have problems regarding things such as dates or processes such as this, despite having it written in the OP. Problem isn't people not reading, it's the lack of cooperation. Eh, in the end, it's whatever. If you guys don't like the way it's done, feel free to forfeit. | ||
tenacity
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Qikz
United Kingdom12021 Posts
(I realise this his hypocritical considering how mad I got with everything, but that was more me being mad at myself, thanks for the advice a page back btw sync <3) | ||
DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
They were some of the most hilarious and entertaining events with people cajoling each other and trying desperately to avoid certain groups and asking for favours from teammates etc in their switches! Have to agree though, if you don't like the way the tourney is run, don't sign up or run your own when this shit was all clearly stated in the OP. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 01 2014 15:37 SynC[gm] wrote: If you guys don't like the way it's done, feel free to forfeit. Do what you feel is best for the tournament and those who are interested will play | ||
Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 01 2014 21:21 DarkNetHunter wrote: Or we could all stop acting like girls, and take criticisms for what they are, criticisms? Not referring to the people who are actually asking for a mid-season change of the rules, which is ridiculous, but complaints arent. I think we can all agree this isnt an ideal tournament, so why get riled up when people offer suggestions and critiques? Everyone complaining about the switches is a little bitch, do none of you remember the MSL selection ceremonies?! They were some of the most hilarious and entertaining events with people cajoling each other and trying desperately to avoid certain groups and asking for favours from teammates etc in their switches! Have to agree though, if you don't like the way the tourney is run, don't sign up or run your own when this shit was all clearly stated in the OP. | ||
DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
On June 02 2014 04:03 Dazed_Spy wrote: Or we could all stop acting like girls, and take criticisms for what they are, criticisms? Not referring to the people who are actually asking for a mid-season change of the rules, which is ridiculous, but complaints arent. I think we can all agree this isnt an ideal tournament, so why get riled up when people offer suggestions and critiques? Criticism without useful input is worthless, no one offered suggestions, people were just bitching about the player switching which was clearly stated in the OP. I don't think we can all agree on that, as far as I can tell RA has done his best to run this tournament to the guidelines set in the OP, despite people not showing up or otherwise causing issues and lacking read comprehension, and he has tried to accommodate players a lot. The only thing he has available to enforce playing outcomes is walkovers or delays to schedule, neither ideal. So I don't think that this has to do with taking on board suggestions or positive criticism for further seasons. If people can politely and helpfully provide feedback I'm sure he can work with that, but everyone complaining about a tourny when they're all sitting on their arse and not working to help with anything from scheduling to liquipedia is just a bunch of people being whiny bitches and not anything related to legitimate complaints | ||
Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 02 2014 05:39 DarkNetHunter wrote: By not ideal, I meant merely that every tourny can be improved Criticism without useful input is worthless, no one offered suggestions, people were just bitching about the player switching which was clearly stated in the OP. I don't think we can all agree on that, as far as I can tell RA has done his best to run this tournament to the guidelines set in the OP, despite people not showing up or otherwise causing issues and lacking read comprehension, and he has tried to accommodate players a lot. The only thing he has available to enforce playing outcomes is walkovers or delays to schedule, neither ideal. So I don't think that this has to do with taking on board suggestions or positive criticism for further seasons. If people can politely and helpfully provide feedback I'm sure he can work with that, but everyone complaining about a tourny when they're all sitting on their arse and not working to help with anything from scheduling to liquipedia is just a bunch of people being whiny bitches and not anything related to legitimate complaints And yeah, some people criticized without offering direct alternative suggestions, but saying 'the tournament is too long' is itself a suggestion, i.e make it shorter, and so on. People could be more constructive sure, but things like: "and if you don't like it, you're always free to fuck off" arent exactly helping anything either. | ||
Falling
Canada11217 Posts
By not ideal, I meant merely that every tourny can be improved Oh, that is very different. I thought be 'not ideal', you meant 'not good'. But then again, I tend to use not ideal as a euphemism for bad. | ||
Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 02 2014 06:08 Falling wrote: Yeah, kind of a stupid choice of words on my part, in hindsight. Oh, that is very different. I thought be 'not ideal', you meant 'not good'. But then again, I tend to use not ideal as a euphemism for not again. | ||
SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
Radley switches... sB.Birdie of Group A with Jemah of Group B Ty2[eMg] of Group A with E.v)TelecoM of Group F Artanis[xp] of Group E with Qus.Talent of Group F sB.Minscandboo of Group E with Favian[PaiN] of Group G Round-of-32 Groups!] + Show Spoiler + Feel free to start contacting your opponents if you need to reschedule! Again, keep in mind that Ro32 date was changed back to Saturday, Jun 07 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Walkover rules apply, if you need to postpone, PM me AND your group mate with reason. | ||
Iway
France163 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
Round-of-32 Group Stages Preview Group A + Show Spoiler + Potentially the group of death in the tournament, Radley went all out on his switches and brought in some of the strongest players into his group. Seemingly wanting to test himself in deep waters, his first game will be against dre11[PaiN], who advanced from his group with a 2-0 in impressive fashion and is looking to be a quiet contender to advance from this group of death. Along with Radley and dre11, we have E.v)TelecoM and Jemah, both of whom also advanced from the qualifiers 2-0 with lopsided games from TelecoM and Jemah showing some strong mechanics in his game against LRM)SpaNiarD. This looks to be a hard group to predict, and I'd hate for any of these players to be eliminated, since they would probably be able to advance had it been any other group. In the end, I see our defending champion, Radley, and the player who is almost always streaming his games on Fish, Jemah, advancing from the group in a close series shown by all 4 players. Prediction: Radley and Jemah Group B + Show Spoiler + Seeded replacement NinaZerg will be seeing her first games in Crimson against Lannister[BG], a Protoss who managed to upset one of the favorites to win the tournament in the qualifier stages and has a knack for pulling off some impressive plays on occasion. Along with the two, we have sB.Birdie and Ender[eMg] who will play in a ZvZ, so it's practically impossible to predict who's gonna take that game. We'll have at least 2 guaranteed ZvZ's, so this group is definitely a toss-up for anyone to advance, especially if two Zergs make it to the winner's match. Couldn't watch any of Ender's games because of him advancing through the qualifiers via walkovers, but I think sB.Birdie and NinaZerg will be advancing through the tournament. I think Birdie's ZvP, if he ever were to run across Lannister, would be too strong and based on the few games I've watched of Ender over on USEast, I'd have to say Nina is a superior player. Prediction: sB.Birdie and NinaZerg Group C + Show Spoiler + An unfortunately weak group for our runner-up last season, flying[eMg] is paired up with two D level players in sh4w and sB.Passafist. Knowing how well DsT-Napoleon can play, this is a relatively easy group to predict, and unfortunately for Passafist or sh4w, it's hard to expect either of them to pull off the upset due to the massive difference in skill and mechanics. Prediction: flying[eMg] and DsT-Napoleon Group D No predictions (since it's my group...) Group E + Show Spoiler + We get another candidate for group of death in Group E with 3rd place finisher Plus, my potential dark horse to win the tournament, sMi.ShoX, possibly the best player of the tournament, Qus.Talent, and Maroon Starleague finalist, Favian[PaiN]. Another relatively hard group to predict, Plus tried to get away with coasting through the group stages by putting in 3 Terrans in his groups, but alas, flying[eMg] and Radley both said no and pitted him into a possible group of death. Regardless, Plus vs sMi.ShoX can go either way, as it's a PvP, and crazy things like Dark Templars and a lack of detection can end the game in an instance, as evidenced by two games during the qualifiers. The two are possibly equally in skill level as well, roughly around the C+, maybe B- level, but I'd have to say Plus would be able to pull out a win. Qus.Talent vs Favian[PaiN] has two solid players who knows how to pull off builds perfectly, but with Favian having to play an offrace vs Talent, I'd say Talent wins in a close game with Favian putting up a fight. And with that, it becomes Plus and Talent... We missed this treat last season when Talent forfeited halfway through the Ro16 group stages, but hopefully that doesn't happen again and we see Talent play the game in form and advance the group with a 2-0, with Plus, ShoX, and Favian left behind... Between ShoX and Favian, I'd wanna say Favian might win, but again, simply because it's main race vs offrace, I'd have to say ShoX comes away with the win, and rolling with the momentum, takes down Plus in the final game to advance along with Talent into the Round-of-16. Prediction: Qus.Talent and sMi.ShoX Group F + Show Spoiler + I wonder what matchup puppykiller is going to practice during the group stages... Our seeded player puppykiller is pitted with 3 rather creative Zergs who can pull off the upset with their cheesy, yet solid play. And again, we have 2 possible ZvZ's, and that makes it even harder to guess who's advancing from the group. I think with the amount of practice puppykiller has been putting in, he'll be one of the two players to advance, and then it becomes a toss-up of dazed, Ty2[eMg], and Artanis[xp]. All 3 have their own reasons as to why they WON'T advance: dazed doesn't practice, Ty2[eMg] has said he's semi-tired, for whatever reason, and Artanis[xp] has been playing SC2 rather than Brood War. I think Ty2 will be advancing from the group with a possible 4pool and rekindle his motivation to play his cheesy, yet entertaining style. Prediction: puppykiller[eMg] and Ty2[eMg] Group G + Show Spoiler + Originally cursed with 3 eMg players, castle[eMg] managed to put two relatively weaker players of the tournament into his group along with a solid Protoss player in LRM)SpaNiarD. Personally, I think sB.Minscandboo can pull off the bold upset against either Protosses, and I think either castle or SpaNiarD falls. I have no doubt that Sero will be eliminated, and I don't expect him to pull off another miraculous upset against either. I'd have to say that castle stays true to this solid play while SpaNiarD makes an unfortunate blunder and drops a set to Minscandboo and becomes eliminated from the tournament. Prediction: castle[eMg] and sB.Minscandboo Group H + Show Spoiler + A relatively solid group with some high expectations from myself, I'm excited to see how well sas.zimp can do against players who can play solid and stick true to it. He managed to make it to the Ro8 last season with some fishy play and a walkover in the Ro16, but showed off that he can hang in there with a solid player when he took Plus to 5 games in the Ro8. However, Demurity, art_of_turtle, and Mewka[AoV] can seemingly exploit the multiple holes in zimp's game and take him out on the funky maps that are Queensbridge and Sin Peaks of Beakdu. I think Demurity is another dark horse to make it far in the tournament and Mewka is possibly the best player in terms of mechanics, in Group H. Unless the 3 players don't show up for the tournament, I don't see zimp being able to make it out of the group this time around and art_of_turtle will have to invest a lot of practice to keep up with the two players I predict will advance. Prediction: Demurity and Mewka[AoV] | ||
Favian[PaiN]
United States75 Posts
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