EPTNUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED
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A nuke was spotted (many hours after being launched) heading towards Alakaslam!
A nuke was spotted (many hours after being launched) heading towards Alakaslam!
Doctor Who Mafia 2 - Page 82
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Crossfire99
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Vivax
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kitaman27
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On April 03 2014 23:26 Crossfire99 wrote: [/center]A nuke was spotted (many hours after being launched) heading towards Alakaslam! Must be using the same radar as in the South Pacific. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Crossfire99
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On April 03 2014 23:31 kushm4sta wrote: WHY IS EOD SO EARLY Cause I'm busy at night a lot of the week, but I can reliably be here at that time. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 31 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote: The thing about Slam is that we don't know what kind of 3p there is in the game, being a closed setup he should be lynched at some point anyway, but not necessarily today, where we should rather lynch mafia. I don't like Rayn going for the "easy" lynch so quickly and calling it a day On April 01 2014 05:52 Vivax wrote: thrawn and kita vote slam and postpone any possible scum lynches we can't be sure of at this stage. It's good play to buy time lynching a wildcard The biggest problem that I have with Vivax is his inconsistency between post 1 and 2. In the first post, he goes after Rayn for the easy slam lynch stating that slam should be dealt with at some point in the future, while trying to lynch mafia instead. I agree with that point and think it's generally good policy. Mid way through the day, he suggests that Slam could be a traitor and that he was willing to support a slam lynch, not necessarily because slam was mafia, but because it was a possibility that he was mafia. By the end of the day, Vivax wants to lynch slam to postpone a rayn lynch for another day. Here is what I find scummy. I would expect a townie to follow this path of logic: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt, but lets see if I can find a likely mafia instead 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, but player X is and this is why This is Vivax's path: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, so I guess we have no choice but to lynch slam I don't have a huge issue with Vivax wanting to not lynch rayn, but I do have an issue with the fact that he don't attempt to pursue a player that he thinks is scum. He says that he is working on things one by one, but in the end nothing comes of it. Sure, he questions thinks he finds suspicious and asks for opinions, but there is no follow up or statements attempting to convince others to lynch a certain player, rather than the settle vote at the end, which is what he was criticizing to begin with. On April 03 2014 04:26 Vivax wrote: Also give opinions on how you wanna use the nuke plz. You should really fire it on kaslam. If Vivax argues that he was completely stumped on day one, had absolutely no mafia reads, and wanted more time to find a mafia player, I really don't like his nuke preference. He criticizes rayn for going for the easy target and calling it a day, while deciding not to suggest that the nuke be fired at a scum suspect on day two. He essentially settles two cycles in a row without indicating that he actually has a strong mafia read on slam, aside from cult speculation, which is more of a guess at a possibility than anything. On April 03 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote: Toad doesn't have a vote. Or maybe kush stole his vote. Stuff like this doesn't really seem like a mindset that he is thinking about things from a town perspective. Like toad claims to have a vote, kush claims to have two votes, so for kush to steal toad's vote, that would mean both toad and kush are lying/buddies, which doesn't even make sense. His argument with hope today does seem like it makes a hope/vivax pair unlikely, which makes me worried about who else I'm overlooking. I do want to evaluate hope a bit more in depth before deciding between the two/others, but right now I'm leaning mafia. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 03 2014 20:07 Tehpoofter wrote: This isn't quite what Toad has claimed, ish. I'm around, sadly not converted as apparently we lost our shrink and doctor. That sucks gum played it like that with the name thing. I thought it was interesting kush can do the vote thing and shoot during the day that's a pretty strong town role imo. I think you pointed this out thrawn. I think scum is somewhere between Vivax, Hopeless, Toad.... Vivax for reasons I've stated. Toad because he's claiming to not have a vote that counts and he can't die at night that is like the tree stump role on epic mafia which is kinda useless and easy to claim as mafia (I have done it in video mafia on several occasions) cause you never have to explain why you're alive and you can no vote and absolve yourself of all responsibility. (I've been busy with work and other games so haven't had time to dive but have we confirmed Toad's vote doesn't count?) Hopeless - I believe austin had a case on hopeless where he was around at day end voting on rayn after the claim saying it seemed fake without a cc. I was around then too and had been hard on rayn all day and wanted to get my vote off him to someone else (ended up on the doctor whoops) but still not on the claimed role. Town for me is thrawn, kush, austin, amiko (tenatively cause of the heal and he seems to be piecing the game together) ALSO DEAR LORD WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO LYNCH BASED ON ROLES YET LET'S LYNCH ON SCUMMY STUFF. Hopeless did a thing that I find, and apparently you find, scummy. Toad right now is a lump, but his role isn't fully a reason to lynch him. It's, again, a great reason to check him or DO THINGS to him, but not killing things. On April 03 2014 20:09 Tehpoofter wrote: I think it's a possibility. Mainly I dislike that people discounted that possibility entirely, and that there was so much chatter about what his claim or fakeclaim meant/didn't mean and how we know his alignment or how he's pure anti-town and all this jazz. I don't think it was helpful, and in some ways my slam thoughts are colored by hoping I'm right in that all the chatter was useless. If he flips town, I get an epeen boost, so I have to hedge a little more towards hoping he's town, even when it doesn't make sense within the game.@austin you really think slam is going to flip town o.0? Kita I'm around, interested in seeing you finish your thoughts on Vivax and Hopeless, then maybe talking a little bit. | ||
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Vivax
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The biggest problem that I have with Vivax is his inconsistency between post 1 and 2. In the first post, he goes after Rayn for the easy slam lynch stating that slam should be dealt with at some point in the future, while trying to lynch mafia instead. I agree with that point and think it's generally good policy. Mid way through the day, he suggests that Slam could be a traitor and that he was willing to support a slam lynch, not necessarily because slam was mafia, but because it was a possibility that he was mafia. By the end of the day, Vivax wants to lynch slam to postpone a rayn lynch for another day. Here is what I find scummy. I would expect a townie to follow this path of logic: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt, but lets see if I can find a likely mafia instead 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, but player X is and this is why This is Vivax's path: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, so I guess we have no choice but to lynch slam I don't have a huge issue with Vivax wanting to not lynch rayn, but I do have an issue with the fact that he don't attempt to pursue a player that he thinks is scum. He says that he is working on things one by one, but in the end nothing comes of it. Sure, he questions thinks he finds suspicious and asks for opinions, but there is no follow up or statements attempting to convince others to lynch a certain player, rather than the settle vote at the end, which is what he was criticizing to begin with. D1 I didn't have any strong scumreads to go after, all I knew is that I didn't want to lynch rayn D1 albeit finding some stuff about him scummy, and especially didn't want to after his role claim, and that slam could be anything and wasn't helping town, but spamming the thread. So, in summary he would have been a safe lynch as opposed to somebody like rayn. Sure, I criticized rayn for telling us to lynch him and call it a day, but that was early in the day so it didn't make much sense to agree on a lynch and not do anything else D1, it's not that much about lynching scum it's about hunting it which town won't do properly if a 3p claim lynch is on the table and stays there throughout the day. If Vivax argues that he was completely stumped on day one, had absolutely no mafia reads, and wanted more time to find a mafia player, I really don't like his nuke preference. He criticizes rayn for going for the easy target and calling it a day, while deciding not to suggest that the nuke be fired at a scum suspect on day two. He essentially settles two cycles in a row without indicating that he actually has a strong mafia read on slam, aside from cult speculation, which is more of a guess at a possibility than anything. Why don't you like my nuke preference? Assume Kaslam didn't claim, didn't do anything of the sort. Assume he simply stood there, posted bullshit and spammed the thread without a claim. That's Kaslam as we have him and independently of his claim he is somebody who should be vigged for his play alone. Lots of people justified voting rayn (maybe even you have to check) saying "lynch mafia not 3p". That's where I came in play saying Kaslam could be anything, from traitor to survivor to scum fakeclaiming, I couldn't get why people simply went with that claim and lynched rayn. And on top of that, the bullshit posters' claim looked legit to you but rayn's didn't? Stuff like this doesn't really seem like a mindset that he is thinking about things from a town perspective. Like toad claims to have a vote, kush claims to have two votes, so for kush to steal toad's vote, that would mean both toad and kush are lying/buddies, which doesn't even make sense. His argument with hope today does seem like it makes a hope/vivax pair unlikely, which makes me worried about who else I'm overlooking. I do want to evaluate hope a bit more in depth before deciding between the two/others, but right now I'm leaning mafia. It was pure speculation, a vote stealer role was also in personality mafia 2 I think so I figured kush=extra vote, Toad=lack of vote -> kush maybe stole it and wrote it down without much thought behind it. It's not like you can say I had any malicious intentions with that post do you? Or do you think I used that post to push a scummy idea on the two of them? Well no I didn't and that should be evident. | ||
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Vivax
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kushm4sta
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Djodref
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Now would be a good time to drop some votes folks ! | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:47 Vivax wrote: It was pure speculation, a vote stealer role was also in personality mafia 2 I think so I figured kush=extra vote, Toad=lack of vote -> kush maybe stole it and wrote it down without much thought behind it. It's not like you can say I had any malicious intentions with that post do you? Or do you think I used that post to push a scummy idea on the two of them? Well no I didn't and that should be evident. Vivax you have been subtly pushing the idea that I'm scum for a very long time. Also the idea that I will probably become scum in the future. Here you are trying to discredit my claim in a way that makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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Vivax
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On April 04 2014 01:36 kushm4sta wrote: Vivax you have been subtly pushing the idea that 1. I'm scum for a very long time. Also the idea that 2. I will probably become scum in the future. Here you are trying to discredit my claim in a way that makes absolutely no sense. 1. possible 2. possible 3. not discrediting anything, just speculating on...possibilities You and kita on the other hand both pushed rayn and now both push me so I'll have to reevaluate some things cause I can't imagine kita being this bad as town, although for you it's perfectly possible. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 04 2014 01:42 Vivax wrote: 1. possible 2. possible 3. not discrediting anything, just speculating on...possibilities You and kita on the other hand both pushed rayn and now both push me so I'll have to reevaluate some things cause I can't imagine kita being this bad as town, although for you it's perfectly possible. So to be clear, you thought my case on rayn was valid yesterday, but today you can't imagine me being this bad as town, even though you agreed with me? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Hopeless1der
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On April 04 2014 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Hope, what led you to this vote compared to when I asked last night? Opportunistic posturing. I'm not trying to avoid responsibility for my vote but I am not all that confident that I am able to read Vivax, I'm mostly sheeping thread sentiment. People seem less inclined to vote Toad which means its between me/Vivax. My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance. | ||
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Vivax
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On April 04 2014 01:45 kitaman27 wrote: So to be clear, you thought my case on rayn was valid yesterday, but today you can't imagine me being this bad as town, even though you agreed with me? Yea precisely, especially cause of the push on me, I saw you hunting me when I was scum and it wasn't like this, gut wise. I know you are a good scumhunter and I feel like I'm not up against a scumhunter here, I'm simply up against a guy who decided for some reason he wants to lynch me but doesn't otherwise seem interested in what I have to say (like kush and tehpoofter though). I want to add a few more reasons. I ACTUALLY asked you for your points on hopeless cause I noticed that in your case you said that what I did was "pointless" or something like that, yet hopeless is among your scumreads. Hence I felt kinda offended at first, cause hopeless is a guy who doesn't post much on his own and I figured yo uwould have found me getting information out of him useful, yet you prefer to give a negative overall summary of my play. So basically I wanted to see if your points on hopeless were related to the answers I pulled out of him, and confront you with the fact that you called my play useless. Now I'm kinda sure you're scum cause you don't reply to my defense, but pop out once you spot something that could be construed as scummy. You don't question hopeless about anything but call him scum and the information I got from him useless. Accusatory, not inquisitive. Judgmental but not considerate. Those are the words I would describe your play with right now. And they are scumtraits imo. So yeah, I think I'll actually go for a vote on you. | ||
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