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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:23 Gahlo wrote: Bullshit. No matter where you play you're reliant on your teammates not being pants on head retarded. If a dumb broken mid hero gets through, you can know you need to focus on helping and assisting your mid player or play mid yourself. if a dumb broken jungler gets through, you can't keep 4 players from making mistakes, the best you can do is play support so you can help the carry and the jungler. and just hope that mid and top do okay agianst it. it doesn't even have to be an overpowered character, just a difficult to defend against one. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:23 Gahlo wrote: Bullshit. No matter where you play you're reliant on your teammates not being pants on head retarded. I think the best ban strategy in yoloQ is just to target one FOTM then two champs in the position you want that you don't plan to play. Focusing jungler isn't really a good idea, you just want to give yourself a big advantage and carry. For example if I'm playing jungle and want to play Warwick (he's pretty fun in the jungle honestly, I kid you not), I ban out two champs that gank well pre-6. Jungle is not that strong right now. People are just used to them being weaker than the support. Remember when sightstone came out and people said support is too strong? Then when gold gen items came out and supports could actually build stuff? We survived and adapted to that. Same thing will happen for jungle. Players will start respecting junglers as threats again and it'll be fine. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:23 Slusher wrote: thats like saying the fact that Trinity force is still probably the best first item rush on Corki makes Trinity bad because Corki uses it and is not picked competitively look if you guys don't agree with me thats your purgative, I've given my thought out reasons, if someone who plays the game (read: not px) wants to tell me why I'm wrong I'm all ears, but if only PX is going to give it a go I'm going to save myself the time and go on with my life thinking I'm right and you guys can go on with yours thinking I'm wrong. no. thats not actually anything like what we're discussing. all you are saying is that lich bane is so good that there has been a top mid hero using lich bane for months. and that lich bane is the problem. And that the champions are being played because they are good lich bane users. thats not at all like saying trinity force is bad because corki isn't played. i don't think you know much beside your own reasonings about why things are done. you look at a flower and think "this is pretty because the flower needs people to plant them" without understanding anything of the actual workings of why a flower developed its shape and color,. You've made this abundantly clear to everyone reading your responses. and if you can't accept someone trying to actually tell you why you are wrong and correct because you don't like the messenger, then you aren't worth enlightening to me. User was temp banned for his posts in this thread. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:23 Slusher wrote: thats like saying the fact that Trinity force is still probably the best first item rush on Corki makes Trinity bad because Corki uses it and is not picked competitively look if you guys don't agree with me thats your purgative, I've given my thought out reasons, if someone who plays the game (read: not px) wants to tell me why I'm wrong I'm all ears, but if only PX is going to give it a go I'm going to save myself the time and go on with my life thinking I'm right and you guys can go on with yours thinking I'm wrong. I agree with PX. lich was strong because the champions were strong, not because lich in itself as an item was op'd. It's not a 100% need to buy item, it's a nice niche item for champs that can utilize it well, and that's how it should be. The issue of those champions being out of line (fizz/lulu/kayle) has a lot to do with innate kit and less than lichbane being op'd. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19571 Posts
Because its hard to balance those champions because of some unique feature that is different from what current FOTM champions are, which means they really don't understand why the FOTM is FOTM because of some hidden powers they havent been able to quantify. So they nerf Lich Bane, because that is a hidden power that constantly lurks making balancing AP champions harder for them. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
tl:dr - Lichbane wasn't OP, just very limiting. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Akali stealth nerfed (there's a pun in there but I'm too lazy) yet again | ||
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NeoGeoOdin
Colombia140 Posts
Cus right now thats what im doing in ranked, its Leona or Annie, both 2 stronk | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:44 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm a bit confused on why Riot nerfed lich bane while giving literally every champ that actually uses it a total of +.2 on their full burst. It just makes Lich Bane a worse item to build until lategame. They don't know how to balance the game so they attempt to make net neutral changes until the game looks how they want it. but net neutral changes in a game with tens of thousands of interactions are never as simple as they attempt if they are even possible. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:53 PrinceXizor wrote: They don't know how to balance the game so they attempt to make net neutral changes until the game looks how they want it. but net neutral changes in a game with tens of thousands of interactions are never as simple as they attempt if they are even possible. geezus. why do you even post here when almost every post you make just bashes Riot or LoL for being a shitty game? On top of that, several months ago when Kayle/Fizz and other Lichbane users were FotM, people were wondering why Riot didn't nerf Lichbane rather than the champions. Now that Riot has nerfed Lichbane, you guys are all wondering why Riot nerfed Lichbane instead of the champions. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:02 Ryuu314 wrote: geezus. why do you even post here when almost every post you make just bashes Riot or LoL for being a shitty game? On top of that, several months ago when Kayle/Fizz and other Lichbane users were FotM, people were wondering why Riot didn't nerf Lichbane rather than the champions. Now that Riot has nerfed Lichbane, you guys are all wondering why Riot nerfed Lichbane instead of the champions. Uh, no, I wanted them to nerf (read: delete) Fizz, Lich Bane is fine leave it alone. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:44 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm a bit confused on why Riot nerfed lich bane while giving literally every champ that actually uses it a total of +.2 on their full burst. It just makes Lich Bane a worse item to build until lategame. Not every lich bane user got +.2 AP, namely a certain support that's been really popular mid recently. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Uh, no, I wanted them to nerf (read: delete) Fizz, Lich Bane is fine leave it alone. You've always wanted them to delete Fizz. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:02 Ryuu314 wrote: geezus. why do you even post here when almost every post you make just bashes Riot or LoL for being a shitty game? On top of that, several months ago when Kayle/Fizz and other Lichbane users were FotM, people were wondering why Riot didn't nerf Lichbane rather than the champions. Now that Riot has nerfed Lichbane, you guys are all wondering why Riot nerfed Lichbane instead of the champions. I absolutely never said they should nerf the champions. the issues with those characters aren't because they have too many numbers and changing their mobility or utility just homogenizes the game even more. Being critical of riot based on their track record is a logical stance to take as someone who has followed the game for a long time. I'd far rather have people be critical of a company that generally shoots in the dark when it comes to balance rather than just dick ride them for every change they make no matter the circumstance or whether it ends up badly or not. Fizz's problem is there is little defense for him since he can get in and out without dying or being touched inherently, so the defense you'd think would be in protecting his target, but with only a couple good shields and no really good heals in the game that can heal through 50% reduction protecting the target tends to be up to the target having good defense, which is not feasible for a lot of roles right now. kayle's pretty alright but she makes it very difficult to win a fight because of her ultimate which is very strong for a meta based on front loaded burst rather than sustained damage. and lulu just does everything really well when it comes to protecting herself and her team and winning fights and she's strong in part of how important it is to just stall out a fight in a burst meta. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:09 thenexusp wrote: Not every lich bane user got +.2 AP, namely a certain support that's been really popular mid recently. Yeah It's weird how Lulu basically sat at the same place for months (in fact, iirc she even got a few nerfs along the way) and then all of a sudden became popular mid and that suddenly required kneejerk nerfs from Riot. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35076 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:18 ticklishmusic wrote: Yeah It's weird how Lulu basically sat at the same place for months (in fact, iirc she even got a few nerfs along the way) and then all of a sudden became popular mid and that suddenly required kneejerk nerfs from Riot. Considering how bonkers Lulu is, worth. | ||
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