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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:38 IamPryda wrote: I guess wu and panth will be nerfed next patch In riots nerf all junglers startegy. God forbid someone Carries the game from the jungle Would be great.Tired of banning 4+ junglers every single game. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
the strengths of lulu/kayle/fizz/tf are all very little to do with them dealing extra damage on their autos and a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that lulu provides a toolkit of utrility, kayle provides a good heal and an insane ult as well as being a bully with her nuke and her E. Fizz has incredible mobility and can nuke squishies down with spells alone and is hard to kill. TF provides split push and insane gank utility. At no point in time people looked at these characters and thought "wow if only they did more damage on autos i could see a use for this guy:" | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:45 PrinceXizor wrote: the strengths of lulu/kayle/fizz/tf are all very little to do with them dealing extra damage on their autos and a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that lulu provides a toolkit of utrility, kayle provides a good heal and an insane ult as well as being a bully with her nuke and her E. Fizz has incredible mobility and can nuke squishies down with spells alone and is hard to kill. TF provides split push and insane gank utility. At no point in time people looked at these characters and thought "wow if only they did more damage on autos i could see a use for this guy:" PX and Cheep agreeing is the world coming to an end? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:47 xes wrote: PX and Cheep agreeing is the world coming to an end? Im sure there are more things in the world cheep and i agree on than disagree. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:42 nafta wrote: Would be great.Tired of banning 4+ junglers every single game. Yeah. God forbid if there's a role with a healthy champion pool. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:51 wei2coolman wrote: Yeah. God forbid if there's a role with a healthy champion pool. Junglers are always going to be a major target of bans in solo queue because you can control your own play but not your teammates, so jungler picks will hurt you more than other picks for that reason. thats a nature of solo queue and a large reason why its so different from competitive play. a large jungling pool hurts solo queue more than competitive play. so players who play mostly solo queue and not competitive LoL understandably would like less things to ban | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:45 PrinceXizor wrote: the strengths of lulu/kayle/fizz/tf are all very little to do with them dealing extra damage on their autos and a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that lulu provides a toolkit of utrility, kayle provides a good heal and an insane ult as well as being a bully with her nuke and her E. Fizz has incredible mobility and can nuke squishies down with spells alone and is hard to kill. TF provides split push and insane gank utility. At no point in time people looked at these characters and thought "wow if only they did more damage on autos i could see a use for this guy:" do you even know what Fizz's Ratios/base damage are w/o lichbane?? if not for that item he would have to use E offensively to 1 shot people, which would effectively remove his mobility. what I already said about Lulu goes for Kayle, they bring a lot to the table (and will most certianly be still playable with the new .5 Lich) but the current Lich makes them bring all that, and basically a 0 damage dropoff from full damage mids. the problem is that Lich as it is currently covers up their weaknesses too thoroughly. ALso I already said TF had not a lot to do with Lichbane | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:55 Slusher wrote: do you even know what Fizz's Ratios/base damage are w/o lichbane?? if not for that item he would have to use E offensively to 1 shot people, which would effectively remove his mobility. what I already said about Lulu goes for Kayle, they bring a lot to the table (and will most certianly be still playable with the new .5 Lich) but the current Lich makes them bring all that, and basically a 0 damage dropoff from full damage mids. the problem is that Lich as it is currently covers up their weaknesses too thoroughly. ALso I already said TF had not a lot to do with Lichbane orianna also has a damage issue compared to standard assassin mids, why doesn't she build lich bane if its the item? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:02 Slusher wrote: Because Ori massively outranges her auto range and you honestly believe this is the only reason? that lich bane is so strong it creates monsters out of champions that you believe have no problems otherwise, and orianna doesn't build it because they don't want to walk the extra 200 units? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Plus he's a none issue now. Again, for current list of champs, only 1 is an issue currently with lichbane, so I don't know why they still went forward with the changes. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:54 PrinceXizor wrote: Junglers are always going to be a major target of bans in solo queue because you can control your own play but not your teammates, so jungler picks will hurt you more than other picks for that reason. thats a nature of solo queue and a large reason why its so different from competitive play. a large jungling pool hurts solo queue more than competitive play. so players who play mostly solo queue and not competitive LoL understandably would like less things to ban This is also a factor but it just so happens that most champs that are really frustrating to play against are junglers.While elise was really scary those nerfs might make her useless not sure yet but eve/pant especially are just annoying. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:04 PrinceXizor wrote: and you honestly believe this is the only reason? that lich bane is so strong it creates monsters out of champions that you believe have no problems otherwise, and orianna doesn't build it because they don't want to walk the extra 200 units? Ori is pretty slow unless you W yourself whereas Kayle and Lulu can W themselves (without losing over half their damage) so they can get in and out quite a bit safer, you are trying to simplify the game too much with this comparison. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:10 Slusher wrote: Ori is pretty slow unless you W yourself whereas Kayle and Lulu can W themselves (without losing over half their damage) so they can get in and out quite a bit safer, you are trying to simplify the game too much with this comparison. and ahri? a character that got a lot of damage taken away right before falling out of favor? why wouldn't she be popular and be using lich bane? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:14 Slusher wrote: I actually think it's super good on ahri so I don't know what to say (it has been purchased on her in professional games, Korea included) so you have no idea why ahri isn't picked commonly right now? yet shes a strong lich bane user to you? maybe there are thigns outside of being able to use lichbane well that make these heroes good yes? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
look if you guys don't agree with me thats your purgative, I've given my thought out reasons, if someone who plays the game (read: not px) wants to tell me why I'm wrong I'm all ears, but if only PX is going to give it a go I'm going to save myself the time and go on with my life thinking I'm right and you guys can go on with yours thinking I'm wrong. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35164 Posts
On March 18 2014 08:54 PrinceXizor wrote: Junglers are always going to be a major target of bans in solo queue because you can control your own play but not your teammates, so jungler picks will hurt you more than other picks for that reason. thats a nature of solo queue and a large reason why its so different from competitive play. a large jungling pool hurts solo queue more than competitive play. so players who play mostly solo queue and not competitive LoL understandably would like less things to ban Bullshit. No matter where you play you're reliant on your teammates not being pants on head retarded. | ||
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