EPTOn March 13 2014 07:40 Bryce241 wrote:
#BringKorokBack
#BringKorokBack
#BKB
Crash and Burn: I'm done waiting - Page 11
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GranDGranT
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
I hope you will all be able to work this out in the neat future and will be able to bounce back. Because the talent is definitely here. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
Also it's not uncommon in conventional professional sports for tacticians (coaches) to demand fanatical loyalty to their "system" and you'll be in deep shit if you mess up any minor point of it or disobey an instruction. Based on my memories of coL brilliance under his control, and knowing that many professional sports teams are run by tacticians using their players as obedient pieces, it's possible a guy like Fluff still has a place in our esport. It's very clear however that there are many players who would not want to play with a guy like this though (I must say, it's not unusual for some of the most brilliant coaches in sport to also be psychopaths that are extremely hard to play for). | ||
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MidgetExplosion
United States137 Posts
On March 12 2014 19:46 Sippycup wrote: As an introvert myself, I have to disagree with you here. I believe this is a last ditch effort for Fluff to muster self-accountability for his actions by showing everyone a slight sense of vulnerability from someone who's normally extremely reserved. Introverts count on themselves for accountability, because a lot of the time as "quiet" people we see our thoughts and opinions get washed in and away with the people who dont have this kind of issue. We never want to step on anyone's toes, even if what they do makes us incredibly angry. Given a leadership role, when we mess up, we normally see it fit to get out of the way and retract back in to our shells when someone seems unhappy with our decision, and a lot of people look down on us for that. Liquid is Fluff's baby. I always see him and Bulba as the face of this franchise, and if I know a man dedicated to something he loves, telling everyone around him "HEY, MAKE ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY ACTIONS" is what he needs to fuel his desire to succeed. This. Some people here are saying that you were wrong to post this, Fluff. Someone earlier even saying that it was so wrong that if he was your manager he would kick you from the team. That's ridiculous, I completely disagree. I would have gained a whole lot of respect for you if I was on your team and I would very much want to fight harder after reading this. I also believe as someone said above that this is a last ditch effort for Fluff to muster self-accountability for his actions by showing everyone a slight sense of vulnerability from someone who's normally extremely reserved. In my opinion if your teammates think otherwise then they definitely aren't meant to be your teammates. You would have gotten me to trust you and to give Liquid my all after reading this if I was on the team, I sincerely hope that is what your teammates think about it as well. I'll be rooting for Liquid as always. I believe you guys, always will. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
On March 13 2014 06:01 GranDGranT wrote: So, can we see Korok back soon. I thought Korok retired after his failed stint on Dignitas to go to school? | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 08:09 MidgetExplosion wrote: This. Some people here are saying that you were wrong to post this, Fluff. This kinda itched me the wrong way so maybe I shouldn't reply, but do you honestly believe that a player should just throw internal problems of his team out to the public like that instead of just solving them internally? If every player would do that no team would survive longer than a month or two. I don't think that Fluff needs to leave Liquid if they can talk this out like adults and fix the problems they are having, but posting something like this definitly was neither professional, nor nice from a personal standpoint since he kinda makes himself, his teammates and the organization that supports him look bad for no real reason, if the guys are sensitive about this they could feel betrayed or like he's publically throwing them under the bus, even though TL's players seem like relatively calm types so it might be fine. Still though, you just don't do stuff like this in a professional team. | ||
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kvothe0153
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On March 13 2014 08:17 DavoS wrote: I thought Korok retired after his failed stint on Dignitas to go to school? noone leaves dota u fool | ||
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MidgetExplosion
United States137 Posts
On March 13 2014 08:21 SilentchiLL wrote: This kinda itched me the wrong way so maybe I shouldn't reply, but do you honestly believe that a player should just throw internal problems of his team out to the public like that instead of just solving them internally? If every player would do that no team would survive longer than a month or two. I don't think that Fluff needs to leave Liquid if they can talk this out like adults and fix the problems they are having, but posting something like this definitly was neither professional, nor nice from a personal standpoint since he kinda makes himself, his teammates and the organization that supports him look bad for no real reason, if the guys are sensitive about this they could feel betrayed or like he's publically throwing them under the bus, even though TL's players seem like relatively calm types so it might be fine. Still though, you just don't do stuff like this in a professional team. I just think you (and many others) are getting a different idea about this blog than what it was intended for. Fluff was really just ranting here and being sad that his team isn't as close as his former team was. That's it. Hopefully Liquid is able to recognize that and take steps to try and make Liquid a team of close friends who trust each other and then use that trust to work towards a unified goal. That's all his blog was trying to communicate. You (and many others) seem to get other feelings from this blog, like making people feel betrayed and make Liquid look bad but that's just not what this was meant for. Instead of looking at how it makes you and others feel, why not pay more attention to what he actually did it for? Fluff meant nothing but good things to come out of this, he wasn't throwing anyone under a bus and he meant absolutely no disrespect whatsoever. This was his attempt at bringing the team closer together. Whether or not you think the way he went about it was right or wrong, the point is that he is TRYING. If you get the wrong idea about it and feel it was actually pushing them further apart then that is fine. But I can tell you that if I was his teammate I would definitely feel closer to him after reading this. So I'm hoping the rest of his team does as well. | ||
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
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MidgetExplosion
United States137 Posts
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MidgetExplosion
United States137 Posts
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 09:01 MidgetExplosion wrote: Seems a lot of people really don't like when someone isn't secretive. "Since Fluff made the public aware of the team's reality I would kick him from the team." Lol! That sounds so silly to me... Yes, good friend, bringing your personal problems in the team to the media as a professional athlete or making a blogpost about it as a pro-gamer is generally considered unprofessional and just like you shouldn't say bad things about others behind their backs, you especially shouldn't do what Fluff did without talking to your teammates. And please refrain from double or tripleposting without reason, you can just use the edit button at the top right of your posts. On March 13 2014 09:23 MidgetExplosion wrote: Anyone who thinks you were wrong for doing what you did here just completely doesn't understand you and I can completely see how it can drive you nuts. M8, taboos like this usually exist for a reason. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On March 13 2014 09:23 MidgetExplosion wrote: It's really crazy to me how Fluff posts a blog about how it drives him nuts that people don't understand him, then in the comments section of the blog people question his motives which further details how much people just absolutely don't understand him, hahaha... Sorry Fluff, I get you and I really hope the rest of your team at least makes an attempt to get you as well. Anyone who thinks you were wrong for doing what you did here just completely doesn't understand you and I can completely see how it can drive you nuts. Maybe if most people "can't understand him" and a lot of people "question his motives" it's because he is misguided and delusional ? I know that even if the majority believes in something, it doesn't necessarily make it right but it some point if every one questions your judgement, you have to reconsider. The problem at hand here isn't some sort of secret dota skill, it's just team management. They don't have to be best buds, just play dota together, they are professionals are they not ? (let's not get into if being friends is actually a good thing or not, that's not the point). His blog is basically saying "I was the captain, I did not do a good enough job so I was temporarily replaced and I still think it was the right choice. But I never got better so it became permanent but I still think I should be captain". Sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. But hey, if it doesn't make sense to you, or Fluff, then it's because you don't understand me. | ||
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johnnypalo
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On March 13 2014 10:20 fuzzy_panda wrote: I feel like this is less about Liquid as a team and more about Fluff's selfish desire to be recognized as a leader. As others have said before, if you're truly suited to leading, then you will naturally lead. Why can't you just recognize that? You can't DEMAND other people to respect you and make you their leader. And you certainly shouldn't do it by badmouthing the team publicly like this. Or sabotaging the team's games coz you want them to 'implode' and learn a lesson. This is a terrible example of leadership. I can only say that I think it's because you are still young and haven't had a lot of life experience yet. Maybe in a few years when you are more mature and have a different outlook on life, you can look back at this blog and have a laugh. But currently through the thoughts expressed in this blog I think you are the LEAST suitable person to lead Liquid. Why do people read this blog and actually think that Fluff tried to purposely lose his games? That wasn't what the blog was about at all... | ||
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beesinyoface
2450 Posts
On March 13 2014 10:55 synapse wrote: Why do people read this blog and actually think that Fluff tried to purposely lose his games? That wasn't what the blog was about at all... He may not have been deliberately throwing games, but actively hoping your team loses games just to prove a point is complete fucking bullshit, regardless of who you are. Instead of speaking up with the team and having an honest discussion, he wished for his team to "explode" so he could take the reins back and lead TL into the promise land. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On March 12 2014 23:28 Saechiis wrote: Why? That's such political bullshit, I'm glad to know there's actual people on Liquid. Political bullshit? I dont think you understand what that means. Its more about respect. Respect in the managers who put the team together, respect to the team that employs him, respect to your teammates by not alienating them (which this does by demanding them to follow him or "get out of his way"). It would be like me going out to my companies sales conference and bitching to all our reps about how shitty my situation on my team has been whether it was my teams fault or not. How would my team feel about that after? pretty fucking irritated. It's completely and utterly juvenile. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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