|
On March 13 2014 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 04:32 GranDGranT wrote:
But really, How has he not been kicked from Liquid yet after this? Because if he's getting the boot, Liquid are gonna handle it like adults and have a talk with him, figure out what the go forward plan is, and announce it properly once they know exactly what's happening instead of posting a knee-jerk reaction that they might regret later.
maybe they just make a blog about it tho
|
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Why does the "problem" have to be either or? It could simply be that Fluff and TeamLiquid are not a good match for one another. It's not one individual's problem, but a conflict of interests of sorts.
Fluff must have mustered quite a bit of resolve before deciding to post this. He probably has quite a grasp on his current situation and what the future holds in store. I doubt he's just a clueless kid making a scene, so people would be better off keeping that in mind. That doesn't mean that TeamLiquid shouldn't drop him for his actions, but pointing fingers and treating him like some child with an identity crisis is a bit ridiculous. So while I don't agree with his publicizing this, I'm not going to carelessly shoot him down without taking into consideration where he's coming from.
Fluff: Good luck.
|
On March 13 2014 05:33 Souma wrote:
Why does the "problem" have to be either or? It could simply be that Fluff and TeamLiquid are not a good match for one another. It's not one individual's problem, but a conflict of interests of sorts.
Fluff must have mustered quite a bit of resolve before deciding to post this. He probably has quite a grasp on his current situation and what the future holds in store. I doubt he's just a clueless kid making a scene, so people would be better off keeping that in mind. That doesn't mean that TeamLiquid shouldn't drop him for his actions, but pointing fingers and treating him like some child with an identity crisis is a bit ridiculous. So while I don't agree with his publicizing this, I'm not going to carelessly shoot him down without taking into consideration where he's coming from.
Fluff: Good luck.
I think the real problem here is not that there's a "conflict of interests", but rather how he handled it when he decided to make this public.
Even if the fault would be entirely on the side of TL and the rest of his team then he still should have tried to solve it by being open with his teammates and his manager first.
|
Looking at a team like NaVi: you clearly don't have to be best friends to succeed. You need a common goal of being the best. Puppey draws on Kuroky's insight and relies on the skill of his players combined with his decisions being the decision. If you want to be the leader, talk to your team and BE the leader. Don't come bitch about things online, it makes you look weak and whiny. The problem with your drafts as I remember (from liquid) was that they were predictable. You have two capable drafters on your team now to draw insight from and keep a fresh perspective, as well as three very strong cores to play out your strats.
Liquids problem as of late has been decision making and coordination. The fans feel the same frustration as you for what seems to be the same reasons. It's easy to come on here and say things that are wrong, it's hard to do things about it. Leaders DO things; you think you can be the leader? Talk to wayto and TC (the other perspective leaders) and figure something out. If you are too timid to bring this up with the team you are too timid to be a leader. I get that you can be empathetic and compassionate and sensitive and blah blah blah... Liquid could benefit from a stern voice in game, be the voice. It's really that simple.
Right now liquid is on the outside of an invite but not completely undeserving. Large tourneys are coming up and there's a serious chance for liquid to prove it's one of the best teams not only in NA, but the west. DO something.
|
On March 13 2014 05:44 giftdgecko wrote:
Looking at a team like NaVi: you clearly don't have to be best friends to succeed. You need a common goal of being the best. Puppey draws on Kuroky's insight and relies on the skill of his players combined with his decisions being the decision. If you want to be the leader, talk to your team and BE the leader. Don't come bitch about things online, it makes you look weak and whiny. The problem with your drafts as I remember (from liquid) was that they were predictable. You have two capable drafters on your team now to draw insight from and keep a fresh perspective, as well as three very strong cores to play out your strats.
Liquids problem as of late has been decision making and coordination. The fans feel the same frustration as you for what seems to be the same reasons. It's easy to come on here and say things that are wrong, it's hard to do things about it. Leaders DO things; you think you can be the leader? Talk to wayto and TC (the other perspective leaders) and figure something out. If you are too timid to bring this up with the team you are too timid to be a leader. I get that you can be empathetic and compassionate and sensitive and blah blah blah... Liquid could benefit from a stern voice in game, be the voice. It's really that simple.
Right now liquid is on the outside of an invite but not completely undeserving. Large tourneys are coming up and there's a serious chance for liquid to prove it's one of the best teams not only in NA, but the west. DO something.
I'm sure the players in navi get along pretty well.
|
So, can we see Korok back soon.
|
On March 13 2014 06:01 GranDGranT wrote:
So, can we see Korok back soon.
GranDGranT x Korok OTP?
|
On March 13 2014 05:58 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 05:44 giftdgecko wrote:
Looking at a team like NaVi: you clearly don't have to be best friends to succeed. You need a common goal of being the best. Puppey draws on Kuroky's insight and relies on the skill of his players combined with his decisions being the decision. If you want to be the leader, talk to your team and BE the leader. Don't come bitch about things online, it makes you look weak and whiny. The problem with your drafts as I remember (from liquid) was that they were predictable. You have two capable drafters on your team now to draw insight from and keep a fresh perspective, as well as three very strong cores to play out your strats.
Liquids problem as of late has been decision making and coordination. The fans feel the same frustration as you for what seems to be the same reasons. It's easy to come on here and say things that are wrong, it's hard to do things about it. Leaders DO things; you think you can be the leader? Talk to wayto and TC (the other perspective leaders) and figure something out. If you are too timid to bring this up with the team you are too timid to be a leader. I get that you can be empathetic and compassionate and sensitive and blah blah blah... Liquid could benefit from a stern voice in game, be the voice. It's really that simple.
Right now liquid is on the outside of an invite but not completely undeserving. Large tourneys are coming up and there's a serious chance for liquid to prove it's one of the best teams not only in NA, but the west. DO something. I'm sure the players in navi get along pretty well.
It was pretty clear after TI3 that xboct and puppey/kuro aren't, although dendi kinda glues them together.
|
On March 13 2014 06:01 GranDGranT wrote:
So, can we see Korok back soon.
As much as I would like to see him playing with Liquid, who plays support ?
|
On March 13 2014 05:29 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On March 13 2014 04:32 GranDGranT wrote:
But really, How has he not been kicked from Liquid yet after this? Because if he's getting the boot, Liquid are gonna handle it like adults and have a talk with him, figure out what the go forward plan is, and announce it properly once they know exactly what's happening instead of posting a knee-jerk reaction that they might regret later. maybe they just make a blog about it tho
zing
|
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On March 13 2014 06:11 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 05:58 Daozzt wrote:On March 13 2014 05:44 giftdgecko wrote:
Looking at a team like NaVi: you clearly don't have to be best friends to succeed. You need a common goal of being the best. Puppey draws on Kuroky's insight and relies on the skill of his players combined with his decisions being the decision. If you want to be the leader, talk to your team and BE the leader. Don't come bitch about things online, it makes you look weak and whiny. The problem with your drafts as I remember (from liquid) was that they were predictable. You have two capable drafters on your team now to draw insight from and keep a fresh perspective, as well as three very strong cores to play out your strats.
Liquids problem as of late has been decision making and coordination. The fans feel the same frustration as you for what seems to be the same reasons. It's easy to come on here and say things that are wrong, it's hard to do things about it. Leaders DO things; you think you can be the leader? Talk to wayto and TC (the other perspective leaders) and figure something out. If you are too timid to bring this up with the team you are too timid to be a leader. I get that you can be empathetic and compassionate and sensitive and blah blah blah... Liquid could benefit from a stern voice in game, be the voice. It's really that simple.
Right now liquid is on the outside of an invite but not completely undeserving. Large tourneys are coming up and there's a serious chance for liquid to prove it's one of the best teams not only in NA, but the west. DO something. I'm sure the players in navi get along pretty well. It was pretty clear after TI3 that xboct and puppey/kuro aren't, although dendi kinda glues them together.
I think in Na'Vi Kuro + Puppey and xboct + funnik are good friends, and Dendi is just a nice guy and friends with everybody.
|
On March 13 2014 06:11 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 05:58 Daozzt wrote:On March 13 2014 05:44 giftdgecko wrote:
Looking at a team like NaVi: you clearly don't have to be best friends to succeed. You need a common goal of being the best. Puppey draws on Kuroky's insight and relies on the skill of his players combined with his decisions being the decision. If you want to be the leader, talk to your team and BE the leader. Don't come bitch about things online, it makes you look weak and whiny. The problem with your drafts as I remember (from liquid) was that they were predictable. You have two capable drafters on your team now to draw insight from and keep a fresh perspective, as well as three very strong cores to play out your strats.
Liquids problem as of late has been decision making and coordination. The fans feel the same frustration as you for what seems to be the same reasons. It's easy to come on here and say things that are wrong, it's hard to do things about it. Leaders DO things; you think you can be the leader? Talk to wayto and TC (the other perspective leaders) and figure something out. If you are too timid to bring this up with the team you are too timid to be a leader. I get that you can be empathetic and compassionate and sensitive and blah blah blah... Liquid could benefit from a stern voice in game, be the voice. It's really that simple.
Right now liquid is on the outside of an invite but not completely undeserving. Large tourneys are coming up and there's a serious chance for liquid to prove it's one of the best teams not only in NA, but the west. DO something. I'm sure the players in navi get along pretty well. It was pretty clear after TI3 that xboct and puppey/kuro aren't, although dendi kinda glues them together.
ti3 was a long time ago and it was one single incident under some very special circumstances. xboct and kky get along pretty well now.
|
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On March 13 2014 05:36 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 05:33 Souma wrote:
Why does the "problem" have to be either or? It could simply be that Fluff and TeamLiquid are not a good match for one another. It's not one individual's problem, but a conflict of interests of sorts.
Fluff must have mustered quite a bit of resolve before deciding to post this. He probably has quite a grasp on his current situation and what the future holds in store. I doubt he's just a clueless kid making a scene, so people would be better off keeping that in mind. That doesn't mean that TeamLiquid shouldn't drop him for his actions, but pointing fingers and treating him like some child with an identity crisis is a bit ridiculous. So while I don't agree with his publicizing this, I'm not going to carelessly shoot him down without taking into consideration where he's coming from.
Fluff: Good luck. I think the real problem here is not that there's a "conflict of interests", but rather how he handled it when he decided to make this public. Even if the fault would be entirely on the side of TL and the rest of his team then he still should have tried to solve it by being open with his teammates and his manager first.
Pretty sure I already mentioned that in my post. From what I can gather Fluff is not some regular drama queen, so when he decided to post this I'm sure he realized the consequences to come. It's not a problem that needs to be repeated and embellished by the masses.
|
On March 13 2014 06:15 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 06:11 giftdgecko wrote:On March 13 2014 05:58 Daozzt wrote:On March 13 2014 05:44 giftdgecko wrote:
Looking at a team like NaVi: you clearly don't have to be best friends to succeed. You need a common goal of being the best. Puppey draws on Kuroky's insight and relies on the skill of his players combined with his decisions being the decision. If you want to be the leader, talk to your team and BE the leader. Don't come bitch about things online, it makes you look weak and whiny. The problem with your drafts as I remember (from liquid) was that they were predictable. You have two capable drafters on your team now to draw insight from and keep a fresh perspective, as well as three very strong cores to play out your strats.
Liquids problem as of late has been decision making and coordination. The fans feel the same frustration as you for what seems to be the same reasons. It's easy to come on here and say things that are wrong, it's hard to do things about it. Leaders DO things; you think you can be the leader? Talk to wayto and TC (the other perspective leaders) and figure something out. If you are too timid to bring this up with the team you are too timid to be a leader. I get that you can be empathetic and compassionate and sensitive and blah blah blah... Liquid could benefit from a stern voice in game, be the voice. It's really that simple.
Right now liquid is on the outside of an invite but not completely undeserving. Large tourneys are coming up and there's a serious chance for liquid to prove it's one of the best teams not only in NA, but the west. DO something. I'm sure the players in navi get along pretty well. It was pretty clear after TI3 that xboct and puppey/kuro aren't, although dendi kinda glues them together. ti3 was a long time ago and it was one single incident under some very special circumstances. xboct and kky get along pretty well now.
That may be but I still don't believe you have to be good friends to be on a team and succeed. Especially in the situation Fluff is in where he sounded like he was going to school next year from his Redbull interview. Liquid can look at TI4 as an end goal and deal with internal problems after, similar to Korok and Fluff last year.
I think at this point maybe you just give Fluff the reigns as captain, even after this blog, and see what he does. If he "crash and burns" then is liquid really any worse off than they are now? Liquid seems like they could benefit from a voice on the team and if Fluff can bring it into the game and not just on a blog then let him try. Either way, can't see him coming back next year to Liquid.
|
You need a hug.
If you PM me here, I can send you any game you want on Steam. Take a week off Dota and play it. Be calm and happy.
|
On March 13 2014 07:00 Keytar wrote:
You need a hug.
If you PM me here, I can send you any game you want on Steam. Take a week off Dota and play it. Be calm and happy.
My god. You are a marvelously kind person.
|
On March 12 2014 22:40 joker101 wrote:Needed to be reposted: "Blog basically says: - I should of been leader, not you, this is why we lose. - Team doesn't like me  . I have good ideas but I am too quiet to speak up. I should be leader doe. - Whinge, teenage angstiness - Team shouldn't get an invite to TI (LOL). Thanks sponsors for your commitment! - I write 9000 words bios on why I should be captain. THIS DISPLAYS GOOD LEADERSHIP. I'm unable to position myself correctly within a small team to lead them to victory doe. - I don't have respect of my team, but I should be leader. - Whinge whinge whinge - Team doesn't communicate properly, but I think I can fix it by being the leader. I'll do this through my astounding communications skills. Introverts make the best leaders. - To show my amazing leadership skills, I'll write a blog and air the whole teams dirty laundry instead of discussing it in meeting. This will inspire confidence and grow trust/friendships within the team. - Veiled threats to leave if it doesn't get fixed. - Significant round-a-bout delegation of blame. - Admits to basically throwing in tournaments and wanting to lose. THAT WILL HELP THE TEAM. But, I am trying to help them bros. Let's endure losses during tournaments, that will teach you a lesson and help us grow. - More whinging. Kid I don't even think you could manage the counter at McDonalds. Leadership is for the strong willed, not introverted little boys who write tumblr-esk diatribe on their teams official page. How embarrassing." Well then.
Basically this.
|
|
|
On March 13 2014 07:03 LedZepp1109 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 22:40 joker101 wrote:Needed to be reposted: "Blog basically says: - I should of been leader, not you, this is why we lose. - Team doesn't like me . I have good ideas but I am too quiet to speak up. I should be leader doe. - Whinge, teenage angstiness - Team shouldn't get an invite to TI (LOL). Thanks sponsors for your commitment! - I write 9000 words bios on why I should be captain. THIS DISPLAYS GOOD LEADERSHIP. I'm unable to position myself correctly within a small team to lead them to victory doe. - I don't have respect of my team, but I should be leader. - Whinge whinge whinge - Team doesn't communicate properly, but I think I can fix it by being the leader. I'll do this through my astounding communications skills. Introverts make the best leaders. - To show my amazing leadership skills, I'll write a blog and air the whole teams dirty laundry instead of discussing it in meeting. This will inspire confidence and grow trust/friendships within the team. - Veiled threats to leave if it doesn't get fixed. - Significant round-a-bout delegation of blame. - Admits to basically throwing in tournaments and wanting to lose. THAT WILL HELP THE TEAM. But, I am trying to help them bros. Let's endure losses during tournaments, that will teach you a lesson and help us grow. - More whinging. Kid I don't even think you could manage the counter at McDonalds. Leadership is for the strong willed, not introverted little boys who write tumblr-esk diatribe on their teams official page. How embarrassing." Well then. Basically this.
Where does it originally come from?=
|
On March 13 2014 07:03 LedZepp1109 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 22:40 joker101 wrote:Needed to be reposted: "Blog basically says: - I should of been leader, not you, this is why we lose. - Team doesn't like me . I have good ideas but I am too quiet to speak up. I should be leader doe. - Whinge, teenage angstiness - Team shouldn't get an invite to TI (LOL). Thanks sponsors for your commitment! - I write 9000 words bios on why I should be captain. THIS DISPLAYS GOOD LEADERSHIP. I'm unable to position myself correctly within a small team to lead them to victory doe. - I don't have respect of my team, but I should be leader. - Whinge whinge whinge - Team doesn't communicate properly, but I think I can fix it by being the leader. I'll do this through my astounding communications skills. Introverts make the best leaders. - To show my amazing leadership skills, I'll write a blog and air the whole teams dirty laundry instead of discussing it in meeting. This will inspire confidence and grow trust/friendships within the team. - Veiled threats to leave if it doesn't get fixed. - Significant round-a-bout delegation of blame. - Admits to basically throwing in tournaments and wanting to lose. THAT WILL HELP THE TEAM. But, I am trying to help them bros. Let's endure losses during tournaments, that will teach you a lesson and help us grow. - More whinging. Kid I don't even think you could manage the counter at McDonalds. Leadership is for the strong willed, not introverted little boys who write tumblr-esk diatribe on their teams official page. How embarrassing." Well then. Basically this.
Summs it up pretty well.
I think you failed hard with this post.
And also sometimes you should just face the fact that you're no leader or work hard to be one (and with this post you surely didn't go the right direction).
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
