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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
March 13 2014 03:45 GMT
#221
Read the blog and then just blew through the comments looking for posts by users with "Liquid" in there name as well as a Nazgul post.

Am disappointed to have found so few and no blue barred admin posts
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 03:56:31
March 13 2014 03:56 GMT
#222
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
March 13 2014 03:57 GMT
#223
Wutang clan was only what it was because RZA asked for the complete and utter devotion of its members for him for the next year and he would make them eternal.

Just a thought.
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
March 13 2014 04:04 GMT
#224
RZA was also proven to be extremely talented.

Just a thought.
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
March 13 2014 04:07 GMT
#225
got'em
aaaaa
Mahashivatri
Profile Joined July 2012
Argentina3 Posts
March 13 2014 04:13 GMT
#226
I like how he talks about Fire/Col like it was a good team that achieved anything, they had a winning streak when they came to the scene because no one knew how to play against them (happens with every team that enters the scene IE: potm botm, AL, etc), never won a lan, or a any big tournament, couldnt even place top8 at TI2, stop deluding yourself into thinking Col was some kind of super memorable team that played amazing dota.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 04:22:15
March 13 2014 04:20 GMT
#227
To be fair, coL won The Defense Season 2, which I'd consider fairly big.
rip
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
March 13 2014 04:32 GMT
#228
There are some seriously flawed ideas about what leadership is in this blog.
MidgetExplosion
Profile Joined February 2013
United States137 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 05:10:03
March 13 2014 05:00 GMT
#229
On March 13 2014 10:22 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 09:01 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Seems a lot of people really don't like when someone isn't secretive. "Since Fluff made the public aware of the team's reality I would kick him from the team." Lol! That sounds so silly to me...


Yes, good friend, bringing your personal problems in the team to the media as a professional athlete or making a blogpost about it as a pro-gamer is generally considered unprofessional and just like you shouldn't say bad things about others behind their backs, you especially shouldn't do what Fluff did without talking to your teammates.
And please refrain from double or tripleposting without reason, you can just use the edit button at the top right of your posts.
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 09:23 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Anyone who thinks you were wrong for doing what you did here just completely doesn't understand you and I can completely see how it can drive you nuts.

M8, taboos like this usually exist for a reason.


I had no intention of offending you here, but your response reads like I definitely did in some way. I'm well aware that this is "generally considered unprofessional" but what I'm doing is questioning that. I believe that what makes things like this be considered unprofessional is most people do and think things they shouldn't. And so to stay professional you should hide these things because "we don't want the public to find out about these things or they might think ill of us." Maybe if you don't want the public to know about something that's happening then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I believe that professionalism SHOULD come from being completely open and honest with the public and they should love you for it because you are real and not trying to hide anything. I'm well aware that this isn't the "General Consensus" but the past has shown that the general consensus of many things are just plain wrong and the only way to change that is growth. Taboos like this definitely do exist for a reason, and in my opinion that reason is wrong.

In 1915 it was "generally considered" wrong for women to vote. Scholars such as yourself at the time would sit around telling people what is, while others were working to make the community actually grow out of silly general considerations.

Hey look, I used the edit button. You're welcome.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 05:11:50
March 13 2014 05:05 GMT
#230
If you think you are a leader, then lead. Theorizing how much you would have wanted greener grass in hindsight, does nothing, but is the next realization step in the spiral that is life.

I think you are a smart guy with a strong emotional intelligence, Fluff. But if you want to lead, you would want to befriend your mates, want to care for them, want to make them succeed. If this infectuates the ambiance of the team, then you have a team, that can compete. Winning is a mindset. So is teamwork. They do require action, not backseat steering. A team needs a heart and an engine.

I hope you aren't anxious about leading, Fluff. Or even failing. Always just do the best you can, and you will never disappoint completely.

It aches me how little the youth of today understand teambuilding and teamwork. At least in the West.
LiangHao
MidgetExplosion
Profile Joined February 2013
United States137 Posts
March 13 2014 05:27 GMT
#231
On March 13 2014 14:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
I think you are a smart guy with a strong emotional intelligence, Fluff. But if you want to lead, you would want to befriend your mates, want to care for them, want to make them succeed. If this infectuates the ambiance of the team, then you have a team, that can compete. Winning is a mindset. So is teamwork. They do require action, not backseat steering. A team needs a heart and an engine.

I hope you aren't anxious about leading, Fluff. Or even failing. Always just do the best you can, and you will never disappoint completely.


Very well said, completely agree. Hopefully Fluff can change himself into being able to make Liquid'DOTA the team we all know they can be. Liquid Fighting!
Yamoth
Profile Joined February 2009
United States315 Posts
March 13 2014 05:38 GMT
#232
On March 13 2014 14:00 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 10:22 SilentchiLL wrote:
On March 13 2014 09:01 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Seems a lot of people really don't like when someone isn't secretive. "Since Fluff made the public aware of the team's reality I would kick him from the team." Lol! That sounds so silly to me...


Yes, good friend, bringing your personal problems in the team to the media as a professional athlete or making a blogpost about it as a pro-gamer is generally considered unprofessional and just like you shouldn't say bad things about others behind their backs, you especially shouldn't do what Fluff did without talking to your teammates.
And please refrain from double or tripleposting without reason, you can just use the edit button at the top right of your posts.
On March 13 2014 09:23 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Anyone who thinks you were wrong for doing what you did here just completely doesn't understand you and I can completely see how it can drive you nuts.

M8, taboos like this usually exist for a reason.


I had no intention of offending you here, but your response reads like I definitely did in some way. I'm well aware that this is "generally considered unprofessional" but what I'm doing is questioning that. I believe that what makes things like this be considered unprofessional is most people do and think things they shouldn't. And so to stay professional you should hide these things because "we don't want the public to find out about these things or they might think ill of us." Maybe if you don't want the public to know about something that's happening then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I believe that professionalism SHOULD come from being completely open and honest with the public and they should love you for it because you are real and not trying to hide anything. I'm well aware that this isn't the "General Consensus" but the past has shown that the general consensus of many things are just plain wrong and the only way to change that is growth. Taboos like this definitely do exist for a reason, and in my opinion that reason is wrong.

In 1915 it was "generally considered" wrong for women to vote. Scholars such as yourself at the time would sit around telling people what is, while others were working to make the community actually grow out of silly general considerations.

Hey look, I used the edit button. You're welcome.


Professionalism is giving the other party a chance to resolve the problem before you air it for the entire community to see. It is just a dick move that makes everyone look bad (especially himself). I don't really have a problem with his post, and I think most of the community doesn't neither. It is the timing of it all that irks me.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
March 13 2014 05:46 GMT
#233
When you are desperate, everything else becomes secondary. Timing seems right, because something might have to be done, and this is the sledge hammer, that Fluff cannot swing otherwise. The pen is his weapon.

Maybe it got his teams attention, and if they are a good team, they will respond to it, contemplate, and fix things, if fixable, and hopefully go in the right direction with good leadership, and good teamspirit qualities, backing your fellow man.
LiangHao
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 13 2014 05:47 GMT
#234
On March 13 2014 11:51 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 23:28 Saechiis wrote:
On March 12 2014 23:20 Darpa wrote:
On March 12 2014 23:00 intrigue wrote:
can you imagine a leader you'd respect posting something like this publicly?


Yeah, pretty absurd in my eyes. Should have been discussed with team and management. Certainly not in this format.


Why? That's such political bullshit, I'm glad to know there's actual people on Liquid.


Political bullshit? I dont think you understand what that means.

Its more about respect. Respect in the managers who put the team together, respect to the team that employs him, respect to your teammates by not alienating them (which this does by demanding them to follow him or "get out of his way").

It would be like me going out to my companies sales conference and bitching to all our reps about how shitty my situation on my team has been whether it was my teams fault or not. How would my team feel about that after? pretty fucking irritated.

It's completely and utterly juvenile.


Poltical is a shallow way of communication that doesn't convey or take into account emotion. It's useless to try and argue what Fluff should do on a political level when clearly he's writing from an emotional point of view. Hence political bullshit.

Fluff is probably going to make more progress with his possibly offensive rant than in the entirety of 2013 being political.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 13 2014 06:21 GMT
#235
Something needed to happen to shake tl up, but given that he named names rather than just talking about things going wrong, and it sounds like he was trying to lose, or at least not trying to win the shake up is going to be him getting the boot, unless someone else is deemed the problem by management.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 13 2014 08:12 GMT
#236
On March 13 2014 14:47 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 11:51 Darpa wrote:
On March 12 2014 23:28 Saechiis wrote:
On March 12 2014 23:20 Darpa wrote:
On March 12 2014 23:00 intrigue wrote:
can you imagine a leader you'd respect posting something like this publicly?


Yeah, pretty absurd in my eyes. Should have been discussed with team and management. Certainly not in this format.


Why? That's such political bullshit, I'm glad to know there's actual people on Liquid.


Political bullshit? I dont think you understand what that means.

Its more about respect. Respect in the managers who put the team together, respect to the team that employs him, respect to your teammates by not alienating them (which this does by demanding them to follow him or "get out of his way").

It would be like me going out to my companies sales conference and bitching to all our reps about how shitty my situation on my team has been whether it was my teams fault or not. How would my team feel about that after? pretty fucking irritated.

It's completely and utterly juvenile.


Poltical is a shallow way of communication that doesn't convey or take into account emotion. It's useless to try and argue what Fluff should do on a political level when clearly he's writing from an emotional point of view. Hence political bullshit.

Fluff is probably going to make more progress with his possibly offensive rant than in the entirety of 2013 being political.


Except, according to him, he wasn't very political in 2013. Just a lot of passive-aggressive attitude towards his own team, and zero communication.

But yeah, he probably will make a lot more progress. One year of building up negativity, and one single post to push it to breaking point. Good job, I guess?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 08:25:22
March 13 2014 08:23 GMT
#237


If you need to Crash and Burn, you're not alone, Fluff!

Damn I miss the 90s...
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 08:58:11
March 13 2014 08:52 GMT
#238
On March 13 2014 14:00 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 10:22 SilentchiLL wrote:
On March 13 2014 09:01 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Seems a lot of people really don't like when someone isn't secretive. "Since Fluff made the public aware of the team's reality I would kick him from the team." Lol! That sounds so silly to me...


Yes, good friend, bringing your personal problems in the team to the media as a professional athlete or making a blogpost about it as a pro-gamer is generally considered unprofessional and just like you shouldn't say bad things about others behind their backs, you especially shouldn't do what Fluff did without talking to your teammates.
And please refrain from double or tripleposting without reason, you can just use the edit button at the top right of your posts.
On March 13 2014 09:23 MidgetExplosion wrote:
Anyone who thinks you were wrong for doing what you did here just completely doesn't understand you and I can completely see how it can drive you nuts.

M8, taboos like this usually exist for a reason.


I had no intention of offending you here, but your response reads like I definitely did in some way. I'm well aware that this is "generally considered unprofessional" but what I'm doing is questioning that. I believe that what makes things like this be considered unprofessional is most people do and think things they shouldn't. And so to stay professional you should hide these things because "we don't want the public to find out about these things or they might think ill of us." Maybe if you don't want the public to know about something that's happening then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I believe that professionalism SHOULD come from being completely open and honest with the public and they should love you for it because you are real and not trying to hide anything. I'm well aware that this isn't the "General Consensus" but the past has shown that the general consensus of many things are just plain wrong and the only way to change that is growth. Taboos like this definitely do exist for a reason, and in my opinion that reason is wrong.

In 1915 it was "generally considered" wrong for women to vote. Scholars such as yourself at the time would sit around telling people what is, while others were working to make the community actually grow out of silly general considerations.

Hey look, I used the edit button. You're welcome.


You didn't offend me at all, you didn't get the point of my post and your analogy is completely unfitting.
To make this short, by doing this openly instead of handling it privately, since it is a private matter after all, Fluff treated his team in a way which no teamplayer ever should, Yamoth and a lot of other people here see the obvious problem with that.
And save yourself the sarcastic tone, this barely qualifies as an argument so there's really no reason to become agressive in any way here.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 13 2014 10:46 GMT
#239
holy shit i don't understand how anyone could think its a good idea to flame his teammate in a blog, then expect to be captain of any team
you do understand that with this ultimatum, you're much easier to kick right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
March 13 2014 11:36 GMT
#240
On March 13 2014 13:13 Mahashivatri wrote:
I like how he talks about Fire/Col like it was a good team that achieved anything, they had a winning streak when they came to the scene because no one knew how to play against them (happens with every team that enters the scene IE: potm botm, AL, etc), never won a lan, or a any big tournament, couldnt even place top8 at TI2, stop deluding yourself into thinking Col was some kind of super memorable team that played amazing dota.


At least the team always had some well thought out gameplan and knew what to do when behind. And you make it sound like they completely bombed at TI2, while they were actually second in their groupstages and were eliminated in a bo1 against EHOME. Just one win away from top 8.
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