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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On March 13 2014 02:35 Nedereden wrote: Ah. Finally. Someone who also has gone thru some real life stuff themselves and understands how important it is to have real people in the scene rather than dolled up androids. Fluff didnt need to do any of this. I understand the problems that the team and the administration may have with it but I think it all pales in the face of how much raw passion to succeed he shows. Wud back him any day of the week. Just need the others to believe and Liquid should be back. Also, individual skill was never a problem with this team. Bulba, qojva, TC, Fluff and Wayto are all top-tier. As was Korok. "Real people" ROFL this is the biggest joke of a term that has absolutely no meaning. So someone who publicly talks about all of his team's problems is a "real person". But someone who chose not to let the whole world know and tried to work it out internally with their team would not be "real". C'mon now. Let's be real :D It's clear the Fluff has a lot of passion, but it's also be misguided. Yes TL is performing terribly right now but why are people so quick to assume that Fluff has the solutions? Fluff voluntarily gave up captain to TC as soon as the team formed because he didn't have confidence in himself. And TL did have some success under TC. Now we're all supposed to believe that Fluff's visions are going to save the team? The person who admits to showing no leadership qualities? The person who admits that he hoped his leader would fail? But lets say that Fluff's ideas are the correct ones. Maybe if Fluff had more professionalism in dealing with his team, they might take him seriously. How can he expect people to respect his leadership when he hasn't respected his team? I certainly have no respect for this kid after reading this shit. | ||
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
Food for though, what if they kept Korok instead of Fluff? | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
My anger lost me my last job, back in 2008. I'm sadly in the same business, but I still take a lot of pride in it. However, I've learned the hard way that too much anger will just backfire, like it did before. That doesn't mean I've become a leader, that when I more calmly express myself to my coworkers, that everything works out fine. I've shown them lower temps in the same piece of chicken they just temped (like a 30 or 40 degree difference), and they just shrug and do the same wrong thing the next day. People still do the same wrong stuff, and it's still infuriating, but what can I do besides set an example? I can make enemies of my coworkers. Maybe I could have gotten one fired by now, I don't know. I've seen what we hire for replacements though, and it usually isn't pretty. In fact, the good ones, and the pretty ones have all found new jobs. The starting wages suck; fortunately I'm well above those (obviously, it's still nothing to brag about, but livable). I also used to think I was practically irreplaceable. No one else takes the oil out. No one else cleans the dishwasher and finds lost utensils on a daily basis. It doesn't matter, you're replaceable. Where there is a void, people will find a way to fill it. Maybe a few more people get sick over the course of a year. Probably none of them die, and so one more complaint is lodged per year. They're not gonna think, "gee, we should have listened to that guy," or even if they do think it, they're not gonna reach out. A pro-gamer's skills may be a bit more hard to come by, and so you may be forgiven a few more times, but people like IdrA will still lose their jobs if they keep doing the things IdrA did. He was able to find work, but he wasn't the commodity he was in 2011. ' P.S. We have a pretty strong crew at my work, they're good most areas of their job. Temping isn't one. I also have my weaknesses. Unfortunately it's not as simple as people having varying strengths and weaknesses. Uncooked food is what it is. | ||
Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
On March 13 2014 04:32 GranDGranT wrote: But really, How has he not been kicked from Liquid yet after this? Good question but then again the whole Dota2 section seems pretty dead here on TL so I guess he might be kicked just that no one has bothered to mention it just like they don't mention anything else note worthy but god damnit if we have to hear about every random sc2 player retiring... | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 13 2014 04:32 GranDGranT wrote: But really, How has he not been kicked from Liquid yet after this? Because if he's getting the boot, Liquid are gonna handle it like adults and have a talk with him, figure out what the go forward plan is, and announce it properly once they know exactly what's happening instead of posting a knee-jerk reaction that they might regret later. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
Fluff, you really seem torn and contradicting. If you cannot commit 100% of your effort to another teammates crack at Captaining, then I'd find it hard for you to expect them to turn around and do the same. Your personality similar to mine, doesn't scream leadership capabilities. You've had your best success in DotA/HoN/whatever in that role, so it's probably hard for you to let go of it perhaps(?). Time to look in the mirror and evaluate yourself, and your characteristics. | ||
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Lodasrecedinhairline
United Kingdom165 Posts
Anyway, good luck. | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
I didn't give a half a shit about Dota until Liquid decided to start a pro dota team. At that point I started to get really psyched. Everything seemed like it was going so well, the team seemed happy and we as fans were glad to accept you all for the quality of people that liquid provides. I understand they don't need to prove anything to me, but I've always felt that Liquid has provided the highest caliber of players and/or people to be under that banner. Today I really feel otherwise. Everyone has a shit day, everyone has a shit month, everyone has a shit year. What separates those that display the banner well from those that display the banner poorly is not doing everything right, it's doing the best they can and doing what they can to fix what they can't do themselves. This post really doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the liquid brand in regards to dota. This makes me angry as someone who does his best to do what he can to support and rep liquid as a fan and community member. This post doesn't help your situation, it doesn't make you look good, and if nothing else you've lost a fan, which you wouldn't have lost without this post, so you did have something left to lose. Here's hoping the rest of Liquid can mop up this mess you made. Shame on you. | ||
fusefuse
Estonia4644 Posts
On March 13 2014 04:35 pellejohnson wrote: Good question but then again the whole Dota2 section seems pretty dead here on TL so I guess he might be kicked just that no one has bothered to mention it just like they don't mention anything else note worthy but god damnit if we have to hear about every random sc2 player retiring... Thats a bit far fetched dont you think | ||
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 04:55 _SpiRaL_ wrote: it seems from reading this that the main problem with Team Liquid, is Fluff himself .I'm afraid that he might have some ego problems in combination with a lack of confidence, which sounds weird at first, but apparently it's a lot more common than one would think. Imho he'd need to work on his ego to make sure that it has a smaller effect on his interpersonal relations first before he tries to lead something like a dota team (which is always a spawning pool for conflict, especially if you're in a slump), but if he has the patience to articulate his thoughts like that then I'm sure that he can work on his problems. I wish him good luck, with or without Liquid, I never really payed much attention to him (aside from his name, the name is awesome), but then again it's hard to shine next to such radiant personalities as ixmike  , I just hope that this doesn't make it harder for him to find a team if Liquid really doesn't manage to talk this out.Stay stronk liquid. | ||
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kingNothing42
United States42 Posts
On March 13 2014 04:26 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: I've always felt that what separated good leaders from bad leaders was the ability to find a way to both understand and bring out the best in each person they were working with and create a dynamic solution to make their unique team better as whole. From what I've read, it seems like you are trying too hard to make TL into FIRE2. You have a group of completely different players with completely different personalities and it stands to reason that it might take a completely different approach to lead to bring out the best in your newest team. Hopefully, after some reflection about what it means to be a good leader, you can find a way to be realistic about your goals for both you and your team. This is strikingly close to how I feel about this. A truly good leader doesn't need his team to be made of his friends to be good at it. A good leader needs to be able to keep the respect of his team and get them to function as a team. It's not about how much the leader shouts louder than everyone else or whether he wants to chill with them after a scrim. I kept waiting for the part where Fluff says "so I talked to my team manager and my teammates and we worked it out" but it never came. How do you write something like this knowing that your teammates will read it and not talk to them first? (maybe he has and just didn't mention it. that'd be great) | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On March 13 2014 04:32 GranDGranT wrote: Because Naz, HB, and whomever else need to address the situation like rational individuals before any kind of action could be taken. This post isn't even 6 hours old yet.But really, How has he not been kicked from Liquid yet after this? | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 05:15 kingNothing42 wrote: I kept waiting for the part where Fluff says "so I talked to my team manager and my teammates and we worked it out" but it never came. How do you write something like this knowing that your teammates will read it and not talk to them first? (maybe he has and just didn't mention it. that'd be great) I'd say that he was simply angry, but he wrote way too much for that alone. Maybe he was afraid of confronting his teammates about it or maybe that was never really his intention (which would be weird since it's obvious an issue that needs to get talked about.) It's hard to think of reasons for why he decided to make this public before he talked to them in private about it, I really hope that he did it and just didn't mention it as you said, otherwise his chances to stay in the team may have become even smaller than they otherwise would have after this, since going out to the public with something like this before you even talk to your teammates about it is just something that you simply don't do in a professional team, I just hope that his teammates don't feel too stabbed in the back due to this. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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