On March 04 2014 23:57 radiatoren wrote: [quote] Facts are that Putin has invaded Crimea after a request by their questionably elected Unity Russia prime minister. That Putin even denies that is extremely worrying.
But nobody has been killed by the russian troops yet and so far it has only been confirmed that Crimea has been occupied. Going full sanctions yet is a bit early and it could be a bargaining chip if the occupation lasts. Slow into it and give Russia a constant open door for deescalations (international "peace-keepers", fact-finding missions, retreat etc.) before a new wave of sanctions hit. That is a modern diplomatic way of never making a leader desperate, but constantly increasing pressure on him.
The document that was leaked suggested the UK would avoid all financial sanctions that would harm the city of London.
The lack of casualties is irrelevant, in this case the only reason there hasn't been any is the utter restraint of the Ukrainian Armed forces. A European country has been invaded and its territory is being prepped for annexation. Deescalation cannot occur with Russian Troops in the Crimea. There can no be reconciliation with Russia if it only takes a chunk out of country rather than all of it. Pressure must be kept on Russia and intensified.
That assumes that escalation is going to force them to leave. How would that work ? Deescalation might actually achieve something.
Achieve something? What, a return to the status que but with the Crimea having been annexed from the Ukraine?
The West's been trying for decades to include Russia in the decision making processes, making them members of the G8, the WTO and numerous other bilateral agreements between European countries.
The concept that Russia could be more easily dealt with by being inclusive with them has been a myth, It has achieved nothing. Russia is as authoritarian and belligerent has it has ever been. We give them an inch and they take a mile. They still brutally murdered Alexander Litvenko in London, they still launched cyber attacks on Estonian in 2007, they still actively fund and arm the Syrian state and are still blatantly willing to enter any neighbors borders with military force.
West should revert to treating Russia exactly the same way it treated Russia in the 1980's, which actually did work. There a rival, not a partner
Russia has its own interests, that WOULD align much better with interests of the EU, but only IF EU would actually open up to the idea of cooperating with its eastern neighbours more. To write off Russia as a 'rival' is pretty retarded; this isn't a game of Starcraft, there are no victory conditions to be achieved by fighting between countries, be it through military or economic means.
Naive.
What is retarded is cuddling up to a dictator and thinking they share your interests at heart. Putin does view us as rivals. That is all that matters.
Nobody thinks he shares our interests, but Putin is not immortal and by allowing prosperous Russia, maybe one day they will actually become a democracy. While playing childish geopolitical games will achieve absolutely nothing on that front and leave Russia perpetually a powder keg. Many Russians will view that exactly as Putin's propaganda would put it, as imperialist West doing everything to keep them down. How that panned out in Germany after first world war ?
If it acts like the Soviet Union, behaves diplomatically like the Soviet Union and wants to actively reclaim the landmass of the Soviet Union then it should be treated exactly like the Soviet Union.
Don't be silly. Comparing Russia to the USSR would be like comparing modern Germany to the Germany from 1930s. People have extreme difficulty getting over the cold war.
During Gorbachevs times you would be right.But Putin is nothing else than a pseudo tsar who's trying to rebuild the glorious Soviet Union. Only difference is that Russia is now in even worse shape than the Soviet Union was. It's not the evil mainstream media in the west that has 'difficulty getting over the cold war' it is Putin who has problems getting over the cold war, because look at what he's doing right now.
In many ways Russia is much worse off than in the late USSR. Religion is becoming more and more intertwined with the state with all the problems that it brings. Nationalism is on the rise. Economic system being oligarchic capitalism is probably worse than the slightly relaxed communism of late USSR. Many public institutions are broken.
On the other hand Putin is doing what all Russian leaders were doing for at least a century+. Creating buffer zone between them and the West they perceive as a threat. It is not Cold War mentality it has much older origin.
On March 05 2014 03:07 Sub40APM wrote: Let me explain it to you in zeo terms: Nazi Fascist Junta overthrew Democratically and beloved President and began racial extermination in Crimea, where Ukrainian army -- full of soldiers who are from Crimea and are mostly Russian -- was going to be the lead vehicle for racial hate and extermination so Russians had no choice and to invade the one place in Ukraine where Fascist Nazism is the strongest, Crimea, and set up a quisling regime and unmarked troops. Also, everything is the Western puppet masters fault for imposing Nazi Fascist Junta.
As reluctant as I am to say so, that... is actually a fairly accurate summary of Zeo's contribution during the entire time he has been posting to the thread.
Maybe, but it doesn't contribute to the discussion at all and he's getting annoying tbh.
On March 04 2014 23:57 radiatoren wrote: [quote] Facts are that Putin has invaded Crimea after a request by their questionably elected Unity Russia prime minister. That Putin even denies that is extremely worrying.
But nobody has been killed by the russian troops yet and so far it has only been confirmed that Crimea has been occupied. Going full sanctions yet is a bit early and it could be a bargaining chip if the occupation lasts. Slow into it and give Russia a constant open door for deescalations (international "peace-keepers", fact-finding missions, retreat etc.) before a new wave of sanctions hit. That is a modern diplomatic way of never making a leader desperate, but constantly increasing pressure on him.
The document that was leaked suggested the UK would avoid all financial sanctions that would harm the city of London.
The lack of casualties is irrelevant, in this case the only reason there hasn't been any is the utter restraint of the Ukrainian Armed forces. A European country has been invaded and its territory is being prepped for annexation. Deescalation cannot occur with Russian Troops in the Crimea. There can no be reconciliation with Russia if it only takes a chunk out of country rather than all of it. Pressure must be kept on Russia and intensified.
That assumes that escalation is going to force them to leave. How would that work ? Deescalation might actually achieve something.
Achieve something? What, a return to the status que but with the Crimea having been annexed from the Ukraine?
The West's been trying for decades to include Russia in the decision making processes, making them members of the G8, the WTO and numerous other bilateral agreements between European countries.
The concept that Russia could be more easily dealt with by being inclusive with them has been a myth, It has achieved nothing. Russia is as authoritarian and belligerent has it has ever been. We give them an inch and they take a mile. They still brutally murdered Alexander Litvenko in London, they still launched cyber attacks on Estonian in 2007, they still actively fund and arm the Syrian state and are still blatantly willing to enter any neighbors borders with military force.
West should revert to treating Russia exactly the same way it treated Russia in the 1980's, which actually did work. There a rival, not a partner
Russia has its own interests, that WOULD align much better with interests of the EU, but only IF EU would actually open up to the idea of cooperating with its eastern neighbours more. To write off Russia as a 'rival' is pretty retarded; this isn't a game of Starcraft, there are no victory conditions to be achieved by fighting between countries, be it through military or economic means.
Naive.
What is retarded is cuddling up to a dictator and thinking they share your interests at heart. Putin does view us as rivals. That is all that matters.
Nobody thinks he shares our interests, but Putin is not immortal and by allowing prosperous Russia, maybe one day they will actually become a democracy. While playing childish geopolitical games will achieve absolutely nothing on that front and leave Russia perpetually a powder keg. Many Russians will view that exactly as Putin's propaganda would put it, as imperialist West doing everything to keep them down. How that panned out in Germany after first world war ?
If it acts like the Soviet Union, behaves diplomatically like the Soviet Union and wants to actively reclaim the landmass of the Soviet Union then it should be treated exactly like the Soviet Union.
Don't be silly. Comparing Russia to the USSR would be like comparing modern Germany to the Germany from 1930s. People have extreme difficulty getting over the cold war.
Why did Russian Special Forces have to surround Ukrainian Army in Crimea -- made up of Russian speakers -- to prevent the genocide of Russian race you and Putin claim was happening if the Ukrianian Army in Crimea wasnt accepting orders from Nazi-Fascist junta in Kiev ?
Man, if only you got 10 cents every time you spammed a rant about nazi's you would have many cents.
The document that was leaked suggested the UK would avoid all financial sanctions that would harm the city of London.
The lack of casualties is irrelevant, in this case the only reason there hasn't been any is the utter restraint of the Ukrainian Armed forces. A European country has been invaded and its territory is being prepped for annexation. Deescalation cannot occur with Russian Troops in the Crimea. There can no be reconciliation with Russia if it only takes a chunk out of country rather than all of it. Pressure must be kept on Russia and intensified.
That assumes that escalation is going to force them to leave. How would that work ? Deescalation might actually achieve something.
Achieve something? What, a return to the status que but with the Crimea having been annexed from the Ukraine?
The West's been trying for decades to include Russia in the decision making processes, making them members of the G8, the WTO and numerous other bilateral agreements between European countries.
The concept that Russia could be more easily dealt with by being inclusive with them has been a myth, It has achieved nothing. Russia is as authoritarian and belligerent has it has ever been. We give them an inch and they take a mile. They still brutally murdered Alexander Litvenko in London, they still launched cyber attacks on Estonian in 2007, they still actively fund and arm the Syrian state and are still blatantly willing to enter any neighbors borders with military force.
West should revert to treating Russia exactly the same way it treated Russia in the 1980's, which actually did work. There a rival, not a partner
Russia has its own interests, that WOULD align much better with interests of the EU, but only IF EU would actually open up to the idea of cooperating with its eastern neighbours more. To write off Russia as a 'rival' is pretty retarded; this isn't a game of Starcraft, there are no victory conditions to be achieved by fighting between countries, be it through military or economic means.
Naive.
What is retarded is cuddling up to a dictator and thinking they share your interests at heart. Putin does view us as rivals. That is all that matters.
Nobody thinks he shares our interests, but Putin is not immortal and by allowing prosperous Russia, maybe one day they will actually become a democracy. While playing childish geopolitical games will achieve absolutely nothing on that front and leave Russia perpetually a powder keg. Many Russians will view that exactly as Putin's propaganda would put it, as imperialist West doing everything to keep them down. How that panned out in Germany after first world war ?
If it acts like the Soviet Union, behaves diplomatically like the Soviet Union and wants to actively reclaim the landmass of the Soviet Union then it should be treated exactly like the Soviet Union.
Don't be silly. Comparing Russia to the USSR would be like comparing modern Germany to the Germany from 1930s. People have extreme difficulty getting over the cold war.
Why did Russian Special Forces have to surround Ukrainian Army in Crimea -- made up of Russian speakers -- to prevent the genocide of Russian race you and Putin claim was happening if the Ukrianian Army in Crimea wasnt accepting orders from Nazi-Fascist junta in Kiev ?
Man, if only you got 10 cents every time you spammed a rant about nazi's you would have many cents.
You called them Nazis, you photshopped Hitler on Maidain, you claimed Ukrainian Army isnt listening to Fascist Junta in Kiev, you claimed that racial extermination is part of the Ukrainian juntas program, you claimed that invasion of Crimea was to prevent genocide. So link it all together for me: If the Ukrainian Army isnt listening to the Kiev govenrment why did Russian special forces surround and threaten Ukrainan Army units -- units full of Crimea Russians, as the Ukrainian Army draws its soldier pools from the regions the units are based in -- and demanded they disarm?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/vladimir-putin-interview-five-untruths Putin said that the downfall of former president Viktor Yanukovych's government had been backed by western countries and incited by people "sitting in America doing experiments, like on rats", adding: "I think that this was all well prepared. Of course there are military units and they are there to this day, they are well-prepared and in this the western instructors did well."
On March 05 2014 03:07 Sub40APM wrote: Let me explain it to you in zeo terms: Nazi Fascist Junta overthrew Democratically and beloved President and began racial extermination in Crimea, where Ukrainian army -- full of soldiers who are from Crimea and are mostly Russian -- was going to be the lead vehicle for racial hate and extermination so Russians had no choice and to invade the one place in Ukraine where Fascist Nazism is the strongest, Crimea, and set up a quisling regime and unmarked troops. Also, everything is the Western puppet masters fault for imposing Nazi Fascist Junta.
As reluctant as I am to say so, that... is actually a fairly accurate summary of Zeo's contribution during the entire time he has been posting to the thread.
Maybe, but it doesn't contribute to the discussion at all and he's getting annoying tbh.
Propaganda vs. Counter-propaganda. I don't think zeo realise that he is causing people to take a more anti-russian stance because his word-use is so inflamatory. In my opinion constructive discussion is best facilitated by a more balanced rhetoric like most of the germans in this thread, but if there is an untenable position getting proposed, it is important to point it out as to avoid others falling for the propaganda.
On March 05 2014 00:26 mcc wrote: [quote] That assumes that escalation is going to force them to leave. How would that work ? Deescalation might actually achieve something.
Achieve something? What, a return to the status que but with the Crimea having been annexed from the Ukraine?
The West's been trying for decades to include Russia in the decision making processes, making them members of the G8, the WTO and numerous other bilateral agreements between European countries.
The concept that Russia could be more easily dealt with by being inclusive with them has been a myth, It has achieved nothing. Russia is as authoritarian and belligerent has it has ever been. We give them an inch and they take a mile. They still brutally murdered Alexander Litvenko in London, they still launched cyber attacks on Estonian in 2007, they still actively fund and arm the Syrian state and are still blatantly willing to enter any neighbors borders with military force.
West should revert to treating Russia exactly the same way it treated Russia in the 1980's, which actually did work. There a rival, not a partner
Russia has its own interests, that WOULD align much better with interests of the EU, but only IF EU would actually open up to the idea of cooperating with its eastern neighbours more. To write off Russia as a 'rival' is pretty retarded; this isn't a game of Starcraft, there are no victory conditions to be achieved by fighting between countries, be it through military or economic means.
Naive.
What is retarded is cuddling up to a dictator and thinking they share your interests at heart. Putin does view us as rivals. That is all that matters.
Nobody thinks he shares our interests, but Putin is not immortal and by allowing prosperous Russia, maybe one day they will actually become a democracy. While playing childish geopolitical games will achieve absolutely nothing on that front and leave Russia perpetually a powder keg. Many Russians will view that exactly as Putin's propaganda would put it, as imperialist West doing everything to keep them down. How that panned out in Germany after first world war ?
If it acts like the Soviet Union, behaves diplomatically like the Soviet Union and wants to actively reclaim the landmass of the Soviet Union then it should be treated exactly like the Soviet Union.
Don't be silly. Comparing Russia to the USSR would be like comparing modern Germany to the Germany from 1930s. People have extreme difficulty getting over the cold war.
Why did Russian Special Forces have to surround Ukrainian Army in Crimea -- made up of Russian speakers -- to prevent the genocide of Russian race you and Putin claim was happening if the Ukrianian Army in Crimea wasnt accepting orders from Nazi-Fascist junta in Kiev ?
Man, if only you got 10 cents every time you spammed a rant about nazi's you would have many cents.
You called them Nazis, you photshopped Hitler on Maidain, you claimed Ukrainian Army isnt listening to Fascist Junta in Kiev, you claimed that racial extermination is part of the Ukrainian juntas program, you claimed that invasion of Crimea was to prevent genocide. So link it all together for me: If the Ukrainian Army isnt listening to the Kiev govenrment why did Russian special forces surround and threaten Ukrainan Army units -- units full of Crimea Russians, as the Ukrainian Army draws its soldier pools from the regions the units are based in -- and demanded they disarm?
I called the people wearing nazi uniforms nazi's, Ukraine for Ukrainian's is a racial extermination plan by a part of the junta government which has so far been calling most of the shots. There is no invasion of Crimea, it is a peacekeeping force.
Self defense units disarmed the military in Crimea because having armed troops that could at any time be threatened or forced to engage by the junta in Kiev would be retarded. All it would take is the junta putting an insane commander in charge of the troops and threaten their families for things to get ugly The fact that you keep on spamming nonsense doesn't change the facts on the ground. Russia and Ukraine are brother nations and would never invade or go to war with each other, take your war mongering somewhere else.
17:15: A chief rabbi in Ukraine, Yaakov Dov Bleich, has accused Russia of staging anti-Semitic "provocations" in Crimea in order to justify its invasion of Ukraine, the Jewish Telegraphic News Agency reports. "Things may be done by Russians dressing up as Ukrainian nationalists," he said, comparing it to the behaviour of the Nazis prior to the invasion of Austria in 1938. 16:56: Russian servicemen have forced Ukrainian border guards at the Krym border checkpoint in eastern Crimea to lie on the ground at gunpoint, Interfax-Ukraine news agency reports, quoting a Ukrainian border service source - via BBC Monitoring.
On March 05 2014 03:07 Sub40APM wrote: Let me explain it to you in zeo terms: Nazi Fascist Junta overthrew Democratically and beloved President and began racial extermination in Crimea, where Ukrainian army -- full of soldiers who are from Crimea and are mostly Russian -- was going to be the lead vehicle for racial hate and extermination so Russians had no choice and to invade the one place in Ukraine where Fascist Nazism is the strongest, Crimea, and set up a quisling regime and unmarked troops. Also, everything is the Western puppet masters fault for imposing Nazi Fascist Junta.
As reluctant as I am to say so, that... is actually a fairly accurate summary of Zeo's contribution during the entire time he has been posting to the thread.
Maybe, but it doesn't contribute to the discussion at all and he's getting annoying tbh.
Propaganda vs. Counter-propaganda. I don't think zeo realise that he is causing people to take a more anti-russian stance because his word-use is so inflamatory. In my opinion constructive discussion is best facilitated by a more balanced rhetoric like most of the germans in this thread, but if there is an untenable position getting proposed, it is important to point it out as to avoid others falling for the propaganda.
Edit: Typos/grammar
Well, while zeo has 'rare' (on TL) opinion, or however you wanna call it, and defends it with drastics words, Sub40apms repeat of the same bullshit is just getting massively annoying... (he has some useful content post, but every second post is the same nazi fascist blabla racewar story that he tries to imitate zeo on) I welcome even extreme opinions in a discussion, and may it be zeo, who has a massive pro Russian point of view, or some US hawks here on this forum, telling us, that carriers solve all problems... I surely don't and won't agree with them, but hey, this is an open discussion board... But again and again posting this nonsense by trying to be comical about repeating (and misusing) opponents lines is just blegh...
Achieve something? What, a return to the status que but with the Crimea having been annexed from the Ukraine?
The West's been trying for decades to include Russia in the decision making processes, making them members of the G8, the WTO and numerous other bilateral agreements between European countries.
The concept that Russia could be more easily dealt with by being inclusive with them has been a myth, It has achieved nothing. Russia is as authoritarian and belligerent has it has ever been. We give them an inch and they take a mile. They still brutally murdered Alexander Litvenko in London, they still launched cyber attacks on Estonian in 2007, they still actively fund and arm the Syrian state and are still blatantly willing to enter any neighbors borders with military force.
West should revert to treating Russia exactly the same way it treated Russia in the 1980's, which actually did work. There a rival, not a partner
Russia has its own interests, that WOULD align much better with interests of the EU, but only IF EU would actually open up to the idea of cooperating with its eastern neighbours more. To write off Russia as a 'rival' is pretty retarded; this isn't a game of Starcraft, there are no victory conditions to be achieved by fighting between countries, be it through military or economic means.
Naive.
What is retarded is cuddling up to a dictator and thinking they share your interests at heart. Putin does view us as rivals. That is all that matters.
Nobody thinks he shares our interests, but Putin is not immortal and by allowing prosperous Russia, maybe one day they will actually become a democracy. While playing childish geopolitical games will achieve absolutely nothing on that front and leave Russia perpetually a powder keg. Many Russians will view that exactly as Putin's propaganda would put it, as imperialist West doing everything to keep them down. How that panned out in Germany after first world war ?
If it acts like the Soviet Union, behaves diplomatically like the Soviet Union and wants to actively reclaim the landmass of the Soviet Union then it should be treated exactly like the Soviet Union.
Don't be silly. Comparing Russia to the USSR would be like comparing modern Germany to the Germany from 1930s. People have extreme difficulty getting over the cold war.
Why did Russian Special Forces have to surround Ukrainian Army in Crimea -- made up of Russian speakers -- to prevent the genocide of Russian race you and Putin claim was happening if the Ukrianian Army in Crimea wasnt accepting orders from Nazi-Fascist junta in Kiev ?
Man, if only you got 10 cents every time you spammed a rant about nazi's you would have many cents.
You called them Nazis, you photshopped Hitler on Maidain, you claimed Ukrainian Army isnt listening to Fascist Junta in Kiev, you claimed that racial extermination is part of the Ukrainian juntas program, you claimed that invasion of Crimea was to prevent genocide. So link it all together for me: If the Ukrainian Army isnt listening to the Kiev govenrment why did Russian special forces surround and threaten Ukrainan Army units -- units full of Crimea Russians, as the Ukrainian Army draws its soldier pools from the regions the units are based in -- and demanded they disarm?
I called the people wearing nazi uniforms nazi's, Ukraine for Ukrainian's is a racial extermination plan by a part of the junta government which has so far been calling most of the shots.
Here is your commentary earlier:
But the people leading the junta right now are animals.
The junta controlling Kiev, moments after coming to power automatically started restricting human rights, taking away rights and restricting freedom of speech. Not only this, they pushed for a purge of everything to do with the history of Ukraine they deem undesirable, a kind of book burning, to destroy the culture of the Ukrainians that fought Ukrainian fascism.
you don't want to live in the part of the country the neonazi's take over
Agreed, everything that is happening in the Ukraine right now is solely the fault of EuroMaidan and the junta that came to power because of it.
When it became clear that the Nazi-colaborator wannabe's had taken over maidan the only logical course to take would be anti-maidan. Simple.
They are a cancer and Russia sending troops into Crimea is what happens when you come to power on the backs of fascists, the people of Ukraine wont stand for it.
Since coming to power the junta has done nothing but openly humiliate the officials and servicemen, even demonize them. They can expect no proper help from the police or army.
If the junta starts murdering people that don't share their ultra-nationalist views it is the responsibility of Russia and the EU to intervene and give the power back to the people.
There is no invasion of Crimea, it is a peacekeeping force.
If one side doesnt fight back when its being invaded doesnt make it less of an invasion.
Self defense units disarmed the military
lol.
in Crimea because having armed troops that could at any time be threatened or forced to engage by the junta in Kiev would be retarded.
You said that a
A tank could go from Russia all the way to Kiev in a straight line and fire on parliament and no one would lift a finger. There is a reason why the army of Ukraine hasn't left their barracks or done anything to prepare for a Russian 'invasion'
So why are Russian special forces threatening Ukrainian Troops?
On March 04 2014 23:03 plgElwood wrote: I guess it would be helpful for officials not to bash Putin in public. Same as for anyone you HAVE to talk to to reach your goals.
I disagree. He is like an alcoholic who is having a problem but refuses to acknowledge it. Pretending everything is ok and talking about the symptoms won't solve much.
And I still see no examples of Russia invading some other country ?
Chechnya.
Can you really argue that Russian intervention in Chechnya was not necessary? It was a failed state sending armed raids over the border, kidnapping civilians, etc. No country on Earth would endure such a neighbour for long before taking decisive action to safeguard itself.
They annexed it.
I just hope it was joke lmfao. It wasn't independent country like never. Even if a lot of people here in Moscow, for example, dream about throwing Northern Caucasus republics away. But it won't happen.
On March 04 2014 23:03 plgElwood wrote: I guess it would be helpful for officials not to bash Putin in public. Same as for anyone you HAVE to talk to to reach your goals.
I disagree. He is like an alcoholic who is having a problem but refuses to acknowledge it. Pretending everything is ok and talking about the symptoms won't solve much.
And it is people like you that make it easy for him to get the booze... But we discussed this 150 pages ago... Trying to get everything, and as quick as possible, certainly has put a lot of fuel in the whole thing. But let's pretend, that Putin is the only evil one, Euromaiden did everything right and correct, and the West has now to save Ukraines asses. Hint: Neither of the three is true.
But no point argueing here... I posted my opinion on that already back on the day when Yanukovich was impeached... Getting rid of him was certainly a step forward... The way it was done was an invitation for Russia for what happened afterwards... And the Anti-Russia behavior shown afterwards, even as it is nowhere nearly as bad as depicted by Russian media, did nothing to solve Ukraines problems. Congrats... Awesome revolution you have...
On March 05 2014 00:26 xuanzue wrote: Russia lost, you heard it here first. lost Ukraine from its sphere of influence, its g-8 position, and is near to lost Sebastopol
Can Russia hold early elections? 4 years more of Putin are a mistake.
People have been saying that Russia lost Ukraine for 3 months now.
Ukrainian troops -- all speaking in accentless Russian because most of them are Russian or Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine, marching unarmed to retake their airport.
Russians and Ukrainians proceed to shout at each other -- in Russian. Jacked up Russian guy with an Ak74 screaming at the Ukrainian unarmed guy "You are purposely provoking me!" the Ukrainian guy "We dont have arms, how are we provoking you? We are carrying a Soviet flag, you are going to shoot us under it?" The Ukrainian guy "Arent you thinking? We didnt show up to Sochi with guns, guys what are you doing? We are here without arms" Russian guy: "I have orders!" The Russian guys then agree to call their superiors for negotiation. "Look we are all soldiers here, wee are here because of superiors"
On March 05 2014 00:26 xuanzue wrote: Russia lost, you heard it here first. lost Ukraine from its sphere of influence, its g-8 position, and is near to lost Sebastopol
Can Russia hold early elections? 4 years more of Putin are a mistake.
The thing is Putin isn't big on elections he can lose. Last time there was a real challenge the regions that he might lose had 140% turn out. Its going to take a Russian spring to get him out of power.
EPT
