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Northern Ireland23292 Posts
On October 22 2024 11:27 Emnjay808 wrote:
Theres a streamer that wanted to back an NFT with his brand. At the time he thought it was legitimate. Of course the backlash from the community made him withdraw from launching the NFT, I believe he mentioned he lost 50k. And I truly believe he was genuine about the NFT and not performing a rug pull. Even after backing away, years later people still hold him scummy and accountable even when no one lost money. But again, he was genuine in thinking NFTs were a real thing.
I feel like these are one and the same.
That does suck for the guy/gal, and believe me I fucking hate crypto/NFT bullshit.
Be it appearing prominently on Google, or having 9th-hand ‘oh I heard…’ posts on Reddit it’s pretty difficult to ever escape flak from any kind of genuine error these days
It’s really only the reported idea that Flash believed he had some guarantee of investment that cross over from mistake into shady territory, that would be the difference for me versus your summation of this streamer
Equally I mean, not something I would burn Flash at the stake for at all
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On October 22 2024 08:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Flash is naive and has been dumb enough to get himself and others into a get rich quick scam. Ok. Maybe, he is even not a great guy. Cool. Do we watch StarCraft games because the players are great guys?
Yes, in my case, that's what I do
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The one thing that doesn't help in this either is Flash was a child when he became a progamer and then immediately went into streaming when he was done. Without any real work experience it opens you up to being targetted by a lot of weird scams as he's never been in a position where he's had to either worry or learn about how to keep and use his money safely. As a progamer all his winnings I assume went through his parents as everyone elses did and once that period was over he was pretty much rich enough to not need to worry about money. They never really got any form of street smarts as they've been in a relatively exploitative system from a young age and he at least was a mega rich streamer who could basically do nothing and make a ton of money.
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On October 22 2024 10:58 coloursheep wrote:
Is it confirmed that he had guarantee that he wouldn't lose money even if the coin didn't perform well? Because if that's the case it's over. The only reason someone would give you that guarantee is if it's a rug pull. The fact that the whole thing was a scam and he lost money is irrelevant.
If I pay someone to make a bomb and they take the money but make a fake bomb that doesn't blow up that doesn't absolve me.
No, if it were confirmed that would be a crime, and as it stands Flash is a free man.
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Wonder if Larva is planning to return competitively as well. He's been playing progamers a lot for 2 days, saying he's trying to get back in shape.
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On October 22 2024 17:57 Qikz wrote:
The one thing that doesn't help in this either is Flash was a child when he became a progamer and then immediately went into streaming when he was done. Without any real work experience it opens you up to being targetted by a lot of weird scams as he's never been in a position where he's had to either worry or learn about how to keep and use his money safely. As a progamer all his winnings I assume went through his parents as everyone elses did and once that period was over he was pretty much rich enough to not need to worry about money. They never really got any form of street smarts as they've been in a relatively exploitative system from a young age and he at least was a mega rich streamer who could basically do nothing and make a ton of money.
He's 32 man
you can say same about Faker or BoxeR since FlaSh was in similiar status to starcraft as main face but here it is
Yes, what koreans are assuming are the worst case scenario and are quite black and white about it, but it's flash's responsibility to handle his PR on moves he makes as the ripples he has impacts the whole scene
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On October 22 2024 15:01 Bonyth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 08:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Flash is naive and has been dumb enough to get himself and others into a get rich quick scam. Ok. Maybe, he is even not a great guy. Cool. Do we watch StarCraft games because the players are great guys?
Yes, in my case, that's what I do
You sound like you're a clever individual with a busy schedule.
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On October 22 2024 15:01 Bonyth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 08:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Flash is naive and has been dumb enough to get himself and others into a get rich quick scam. Ok. Maybe, he is even not a great guy. Cool. Do we watch StarCraft games because the players are great guys?
Yes, in my case, that's what I do
Your parasocial relationship with esports players leaves you with no idea if they're "great guys." So you were either trying to go for some sort of edgey comeback or you are delusional in thinking you actually know them and what they're about. So, no, in your case, that isn't what you do.
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My problem with his apology video is that if i understand correctly even after he knew it was a pump and dump scheme (after the incident) he still continued to participate in it until he got broke almost? His fans might've not been that mad if he immediately withdrew whatever money he got in and apologized at the spot, but now he is also letting them know he continued doing it after the scam was out. This is what i understood from the video, i might be mistaking. Very odd, as a fan i would be more mad with him now than i was before this apology. In my case i just want to see him play starcraft again, but he made it very hard with all this nonsense.
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On October 23 2024 19:25 BulgarianToss wrote:
My problem with his apology video is that if i understand correctly even after he knew it was a pump and dump scheme (after the incident) he still continued to participate in it until he got broke almost? His fans might've not been that mad if he immediately withdrew whatever money he got in and apologized at the spot, but now he is also letting them know he continued doing it after the scam was out. This is what i understood from the video, i might be mistaking. Very odd, as a fan i would be more mad with him now than i was before this apology. In my case i just want to see him play starcraft again, but he made it very hard with all this nonsense.
not quite correct. it was never a pump and dump scheme. it was accused of being one by viewers and fans. Suit kept assuring Flash that it definitely wasnt a pump and dump scheme and promised he could get Flash his money back if flash lent him a bit more money. This way Suit ensured Flash wouldn't expose Suit because he had Flash by the balls.
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On October 21 2024 04:40 TMNT wrote:
His stream chat is restricted to club members only (or something like that), so of course there's no hateful talks since only the die hard fans are there.
Although it once again shows he's a coward. Never really faced the fans questions or addressed the core issue. Just played a video and acted as if everything's all good now.
But it's a moot point anyway. Bisu Sea and co received a lot of hate when they came back but it's not like when the hate talks reached 70% or something they had to stop streaming lol. As long as there are viewers and donations, and their colleagues accept them back, which of course they do, the show just goes on.
Well would you be willing to listen to trolls and people berate you for your actions which have already had deep consequences? Are you hoping for something worst to happen to flash? Do you know that he is acting as if everything is "All Good"?
I don't understand how you can call him a coward. A coward is a person who wouldn't even attempt to face the consequences of his actions. He said it himself he has no more intention to pursue the money he lost. He blamed his mom for his action and has now taken ownership of his mistakes. What more detail would you want from him? Do you want him to give all his money away? Do you need a deeper bow? Do you need to see him so hurt that he will never show his face again out of shame.
I want you to seriously consider what it is would remedy the pain you felt to be willing to call him a coward.
@JinnJinn thank you for the prompt video. You're a true hero to this space in all the translations you provide.
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Are you serious ? How old are you?
There is about 15 good reasons of why he's a coward. Im sure you can figure them out all by yourself.
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On October 24 2024 10:58 TornadoSteve wrote:
Are you serious ? How old are you?
There is about 15 good reasons of why he's a coward. Im sure you can figure them out all by yourself.
I can think of only 1 individual who is a coward. It ain't flash. Owning up to your mistakes is not cowardly, and neither is taking your time to reflect on the mistake.
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If Flash did this in the US or Europe I’m pretty sure it would be a non-story. It’s only gotten as big as it is because Korean online culture is toxic as hell. You have influencers literally scamming people but still remain famous.
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On October 22 2024 10:17 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 08:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 22 2024 05:29 TMNT wrote:On October 22 2024 04:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 22 2024 04:11 Jealous wrote:
Before watching this I was basically willing to root for Flash's comeback no matter what but he made this so fuckin' corny, it's like he hired a PR manager and a producer in order to make this video, and while on the one hand I can kinda get the thought process + appreciate the fact that there may be some cultural differences I'm not taking into account, it still feels corny as all hell. Like, did he come up with the questions that he was asking himself? If not, then he probably got him from netizens or other critics, right? So then who parsed which ones to answer or not, and if it was him alone and not someone helping him in the production of this video and the attempt at an image correction, why did he choose to present it this way?
Anyway, definitely going a bit on a tangent from the main point so I'll circle back, hooray Flash back but also lmao. I mean, the whole thing is just a PR exercise. I mean, he lost a billion won through being naive and clueless, what is he supposed to do now. Handstand? Like, since there is no money to be repaired or anything, why do people care about the format of his apology video. Does it really make a difference that he appears « sincere » and « authentic »? This is all so pointless. The problem is Flash led other pros (Bisu, Sea, etc.) into this scam, whether he knew it was a scam or not. He was also the only one who "advertised" the coin to his fans. Basically he holds the most responsibility but he hid the longest and his apology is the most insincere among them. The others did a live stream where they faced the fans directly, talked for long and answers questions. Flash played a 10 min documentary about himself for his viewers, including some footage of his progamer days which is cringe af. It's like saying "I screwed up. My bad, apologies. But I won't go into any more details. Now look, isn't it exciting that I get into games now?" Of course it makes no difference if we're talking about his ability to return to progaming. But it makes a difference regarding the view of fans on his characters. I realize. It’s just, we watch him because he is a very good player, not because he is a great guy, a smart investor or has a superior character. Why is any of that in the job description. This has nothing to do with brood war. Flash is naive and has been dumb enough to get himself and others into a get rich quick scam. Ok. Maybe, he is even not a great guy. Cool. Do we watch StarCraft games because the players are great guys? I know that’s celebrity culture these days and people care that you cheat on your wife because apparently that’s relevant to you golfing skills or something. I find it unbelievably dumb. I'll preface my 2 cents by saying that I think Flash should make a full return to SC. My 2 cents: I understand the other side, too. On stream he hyped up a coin that turned out to be a scam. Though he was unaware of the scam, the platform he used was for SC streaming. He used it for that and for the coin hype, both. If he had separated the two things, it could be much more reasonably argued that there shouldn't be a controversy about his return to SC streaming, since in that case he couldn't have affected any of his viewers with the coin hype. I hope this makes sense.
No one knows if he wanted intentionally scam viewers. I think he was aware about it but talked into by the coin guy to make more money. Most people get more greedy the more money they have. If he wasn’t aware I don’t think he would have disappeared for that long and with such shame in him of it. Lucky for him no viewer bought the coin. We are human and make mistakes we can forgive. Should be lesson for him to not trust everyone. Also flash doesn’t seem like a bad person who wants evil to his viewer. Just a one time mistake.
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On October 24 2024 17:19 Maksim2010 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 10:17 Magic Powers wrote:On October 22 2024 08:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 22 2024 05:29 TMNT wrote:On October 22 2024 04:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 22 2024 04:11 Jealous wrote:
Before watching this I was basically willing to root for Flash's comeback no matter what but he made this so fuckin' corny, it's like he hired a PR manager and a producer in order to make this video, and while on the one hand I can kinda get the thought process + appreciate the fact that there may be some cultural differences I'm not taking into account, it still feels corny as all hell. Like, did he come up with the questions that he was asking himself? If not, then he probably got him from netizens or other critics, right? So then who parsed which ones to answer or not, and if it was him alone and not someone helping him in the production of this video and the attempt at an image correction, why did he choose to present it this way?
Anyway, definitely going a bit on a tangent from the main point so I'll circle back, hooray Flash back but also lmao. I mean, the whole thing is just a PR exercise. I mean, he lost a billion won through being naive and clueless, what is he supposed to do now. Handstand? Like, since there is no money to be repaired or anything, why do people care about the format of his apology video. Does it really make a difference that he appears « sincere » and « authentic »? This is all so pointless. The problem is Flash led other pros (Bisu, Sea, etc.) into this scam, whether he knew it was a scam or not. He was also the only one who "advertised" the coin to his fans. Basically he holds the most responsibility but he hid the longest and his apology is the most insincere among them. The others did a live stream where they faced the fans directly, talked for long and answers questions. Flash played a 10 min documentary about himself for his viewers, including some footage of his progamer days which is cringe af. It's like saying "I screwed up. My bad, apologies. But I won't go into any more details. Now look, isn't it exciting that I get into games now?" Of course it makes no difference if we're talking about his ability to return to progaming. But it makes a difference regarding the view of fans on his characters. I realize. It’s just, we watch him because he is a very good player, not because he is a great guy, a smart investor or has a superior character. Why is any of that in the job description. This has nothing to do with brood war. Flash is naive and has been dumb enough to get himself and others into a get rich quick scam. Ok. Maybe, he is even not a great guy. Cool. Do we watch StarCraft games because the players are great guys? I know that’s celebrity culture these days and people care that you cheat on your wife because apparently that’s relevant to you golfing skills or something. I find it unbelievably dumb. I'll preface my 2 cents by saying that I think Flash should make a full return to SC. My 2 cents: I understand the other side, too. On stream he hyped up a coin that turned out to be a scam. Though he was unaware of the scam, the platform he used was for SC streaming. He used it for that and for the coin hype, both. If he had separated the two things, it could be much more reasonably argued that there shouldn't be a controversy about his return to SC streaming, since in that case he couldn't have affected any of his viewers with the coin hype. I hope this makes sense. No one knows if he wanted intentionally scam viewers. I think he was aware about it but talked into by the coin guy to make more money. Most people get more greedy the more money they have. If he wasn’t aware I don’t think he would have disappeared for that long and with such shame in him of it. Lucky for him no viewer bought the coin. We are human and make mistakes we can forgive. Should be lesson for him to not trust everyone. Also flash doesn’t seem like a bad person who wants evil to his viewer. Just a one time mistake.
Flash most likely took so much time for his return because his skill is his number one selling point. He knows people would more easily welcome him back if he's #1
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On October 24 2024 16:09 Dante08 wrote:
If Flash did this in the US or Europe I’m pretty sure it would be a non-story. It’s only gotten as big as it is because Korean online culture is toxic as hell. You have influencers literally scamming people but still remain famous. Nah, pushing Crypto onto your fans would also be looked on badly over here.
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On October 24 2024 16:09 Dante08 wrote:
If Flash did this in the US or Europe I’m pretty sure it would be a non-story. It’s only gotten as big as it is because Korean online culture is toxic as hell. You have influencers literally scamming people but still remain famous.
Yes and you can see why in this very western forum.
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On October 24 2024 21:12 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2024 16:09 Dante08 wrote:
If Flash did this in the US or Europe I’m pretty sure it would be a non-story. It’s only gotten as big as it is because Korean online culture is toxic as hell. You have influencers literally scamming people but still remain famous. Nah, pushing Crypto onto your fans would also be looked on badly over here.
Little Andrew Tate fans called Coffeezilla gay in his leaked email so that Andrew Tate would pump his scam coin Daddy.
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