FlaSh's apology video - Page 4

On October 21 2024 23:51 Ideas wrote:
What are the odds that flash will be participating in proleague, KCM, etc? I remember reading that KCM in particular is angry with flash so I'm guessing he won't be invited to that tournament unless he makes amends with him?

On October 22 2024 00:34 L3gendary wrote:
If the coin was never released, did any viewers actually lose money? and how?

On October 22 2024 00:34 L3gendary wrote:
If the coin was never released, did any viewers actually lose money? and how?

On October 22 2024 04:11 Jealous wrote:
Before watching this I was basically willing to root for Flash's comeback no matter what but he made this so fuckin' corny, it's like he hired a PR manager and a producer in order to make this video, and while on the one hand I can kinda get the thought process + appreciate the fact that there may be some cultural differences I'm not taking into account, it still feels corny as all hell. Like, did he come up with the questions that he was asking himself? If not, then he probably got him from netizens or other critics, right? So then who parsed which ones to answer or not, and if it was him alone and not someone helping him in the production of this video and the attempt at an image correction, why did he choose to present it this way?

Anyway, definitely going a bit on a tangent from the main point so I'll circle back, hooray Flash back but also lmao.

On October 22 2024 04:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I mean, the whole thing is just a PR exercise. I mean, he lost a billion won through being naive and clueless, what is he supposed to do now. Handstand? Like, since there is no money to be repaired or anything, why do people care about the format of his apology video. Does it really make a difference that he appears « sincere » and « authentic »?

This is all so pointless.

On October 21 2024 17:40 WombaT wrote:

No, not always legally but perhaps sometimes it’s rather a good idea to do so. He is a streamer/personality, one needs to be more careful using that position and platform.

Most people know how regular endorsements work, I doubt many people actually think George Clooney is grabbing an instant Nescafé when he’s in some glamorous locale.

Less so in this space. There’s a reason ‘influencers’ (god I hate that word) have money thrown at them, there’s that sense of authenticity (be it real or not), or that parasocial level of engagement.

It’s a powerful asset to have, until you transgress, in which case you can reap the whirlwind of a commensurately more vicious backlash.

Flash fucked up and reaped said whirlwind, that’s very much on him. He did also get scammed himself, so I’m not without sympathy there either.

For me the rule of thumb if you have a loyal fanbase, if you want to push anything, especially monetary is ‘If my fanbase knew the details of this, would they be OK with it?’ and not ‘Am I doing anything legally wrong?’

If you’re going in with the second option you’ve already fucked up in picking your thresholds. I haven’t done anything illegal if I hypothetically cheated on my partner with my brother’s, it doesn’t mean people wouldn’t be really pissed off

Personally I think Flash’s response has been pretty shit, but the guy has suffered somewhat in multiple domains too. I’ve no great issue with him returning to do his thing, although I do have issue with people deflecting any and all responsibility onto everyone else because they want to see him play BW

On October 21 2024 18:19 Gorsameth wrote:
This is a really bad example. I assume you are aware there was actually a massive amount of drama about csgo skin gamblers who failed to disclose they owned or were affiliated with the gambling sites and were gambling with fake money and/or rigged draws to show them winning big?

Flash got scammed aswell, he is a victim for sure. Perhaps he never meant to defraud his fans when he promoted the crypto to them, but no matter how you look at it failing to disclose that he had a guaranteed return that others wouldn't have is maybe not illegal but certainly problematic and unethical.

"People should know better". But people don't. There are billion dollar industries entirely build around exploiting people not knowing better or not being able to help themselves.

On October 22 2024 06:38 WombaT wrote:
No just don’t hawk a coin in that platform in that manner? It might blow up in your face.

I don’t even think the majority of angry Korean netizens were investors mad they lost money, just people who felt the behaviour was shady. So they have a personal responsibility to… not be annoyed?

It’s a minefield, one has to be negotiated with care. It’s stupid that people form these parasocial relationships with streamers, influencers etc, elevate them to think of them as actual friends with all that entails. But, they do do that so you have to consider it and leverage your influence pretty damn diligently.

Flash fucked around and found out essentially what happens when someone who thought you were their friend, even though you never met feels you betrayed the friendship

I mean our statements aren’t even particularly incompatible. Individuals should not take investment tips from StarCraft player, and crypto is a grifter’s paradise to boot, I don’t even disagree with that in the slightest.

Equally in the very specific domain of being a streamer/influencer, consider the particulars of that dynamic and be very careful. Take some personal responsibility there as well.

This isn’t to say more regular endorsements aren’t something I have ethical issues with, indeed in ways the opposite. But while similar I don’t think they’re directly equivalent.

On October 22 2024 05:29 TMNT wrote:

The problem is Flash led other pros (Bisu, Sea, etc.) into this scam, whether he knew it was a scam or not. He was also the only one who "advertised" the coin to his fans. Basically he holds the most responsibility but he hid the longest and his apology is the most insincere among them.

The others did a live stream where they faced the fans directly, talked for long and answers questions.

Flash played a 10 min documentary about himself for his viewers, including some footage of his progamer days which is cringe af. It's like saying "I screwed up. My bad, apologies. But I won't go into any more details. Now look, isn't it exciting that I get into games now?"

Of course it makes no difference if we're talking about his ability to return to progaming. But it makes a difference regarding the view of fans on his characters.

On October 22 2024 00:15 TMNT wrote:

Proleague for sure. In fact we may likely be about to see record funding in the upcoming days.

KCM was also upset with Bisu initially but after his apology and when things bacame clearer that he was more of a victim from his idiocy, he was allowed in again. Same thing could happen for Flash.

On October 22 2024 11:27 Emnjay808 wrote:
Theres a streamer that wanted to back an NFT with his brand. At the time he thought it was legitimate. Of course the backlash from the community made him withdraw from launching the NFT, I believe he mentioned he lost 50k. And I truly believe he was genuine about the NFT and not performing a rug pull. Even after backing away, years later people still hold him scummy and accountable even when no one lost money. But again, he was genuine in thinking NFTs were a real thing.

I feel like these are one and the same.