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CicadaSC
United States1865 Posts
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Woosixion
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Conreik
France51 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12391 Posts
The best thing to do right now is probably just to let the game die and hope that Stormgate is good. If we're not doing that and we're sticking to Starcraft, the best thing to do is to keep the council but make it a lot more transparent, so that we get a better sense of the problems in terms of dynamics that have transpired in the last few days. There should also be a new map pool in connexion to the patch? I'm assuming, and that map pool will probably be less terran favored. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12391 Posts
On October 24 2024 20:19 Nakajin wrote: The WombaT's patch is starting a revolution now, what was this guy thinking? Always had my doubts about him  | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
On October 24 2024 10:53 Woosixion wrote: I think the best form of protest is if we the community collectively uninstall the game and start playing brood war. Welcome home, y'all. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On October 24 2024 20:19 Nakajin wrote: The WombaT's patch is starting a revolution now, what was this guy thinking? Of all the revolutions I wished to inspire! … Expect a stock apology/non-apology video imminently haha | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada126 Posts
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
On October 24 2024 22:45 WombaT wrote: Of all the revolutions I wished to inspire! … Expect a stock apology/non-apology video imminently haha You should've announced the posting of this comment on Twitter. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1262 Posts
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bela.mervado
Hungary406 Posts
On October 24 2024 22:56 Balnazza wrote: Is it just me or are we starting to completly overreact over this? yeah i got the same feeling tl.net looks like reddit in the past few days | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On October 25 2024 02:05 bela.mervado wrote: yeah i got the same feeling tl.net looks like reddit in the past few days All things considered the patch is not as bad as it's being made to be. It's the lack of transparency about the process that puzzles me more. Sure David Kim got a lot of flak as the public face of balance back then (it's a thankless job sometimes imo), but somebody (even if anonymous) has to reveal the thought process behind this patch. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On October 25 2024 02:05 bela.mervado wrote: yeah i got the same feeling tl.net looks like reddit in the past few days Nah, we're back to old tl, welcome to TZCraft 2 vibes. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1399 Posts
On October 25 2024 03:26 Nakajin wrote: Nah, we're back to old tl, welcome to TZCraft 2 vibes. ZTarcraft 2: Legacy of the Void Inside the Skulls of the Balance Council. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On October 24 2024 22:18 SamirDuran wrote: Maybe the players should try to play the PTR first before making a conclusion that this is a bad patch? This take is so bad. If I take all the gas out of your car, do you actually need to try and start it to know you won't get anywhere? We all have the power of prediction within us. We can predict, with good certainty, that if you nerf X and buff Y, Y will be stronger and X will be weaker. Zerg got a bunch of buffs and 175 mineral Queens, Protoss got important nerfs to Immortals and Shield Batteries and buffs to nothing. Go out and try and start that car now, see if it runs. | ||
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smithwilliams
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outscar
2832 Posts
My applauses! David Kim and co. already killed the game decade ago and forced BW pros to switch back and now with this patch even pros who never played BW might go try it. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On October 24 2024 22:18 SamirDuran wrote: Maybe the players should try to play the PTR first before making a conclusion that this is a bad patch? Patch 5.0.1.1 was when things went downhill. Protoss Battery Overcharge got nerfed from 100% to 50% healing, and didn't get enough to compensate; Terran then got Raven buffs so it came out earlier and you could go for a 1-2 Raven push with Interference matrix even earlier than before. What do you think the outcome of these changes together meant? Of course, that the Raven pushes already strong vs Protoss would now become way stronger. And so PvT winrate fell to 40% for months, and when the next patch tried to address this a little, winrate was still around 40-45%. This was the worst year of balance for any MU across all of SC2 history - David Kim's team always kept balance pretty close to 50%, 45:55 situation at worst. Sometimes you do not need to try a patch when you can clearly understand that the balance is not good. This patch gives Terran several nice buffs and Protoss gets a Battery Overcharge replacement which is maybe in a very hopeful view might be about as good as Battery Overcharge, but would still mean Protoss earlygame would be a bit more vulnerable vs Terran pushes than before, and this early game windows has always been a critical time for Protoss where they often barely hold or die outright. Many people said the same back then - to try the patch out and see how it goes. Well we did and the changes went through, and were kept for very close to 1 full year (with minimal reverts; making Interference Matrix a quick upgrade is nice, but it was all because Ravens became cheaper and quicker to build in the first place - Matrix duration never got nerfed to compensate!) I've lost trust in the council; our voices are not being heard enough, the anti Protoss bias is way too strong and it's really starting to hurt and kill any remaining enthusiasm people have about this game. Starcraft has always been an RTS of high integrity because of the balance and asymetric design of the 3 races, and the balance council is threatening to destroy that. We need to act NOW now wait til later. Remember that also Protoss had to deal with multiple years of PvZ being very difficult in LotV. They finally got the MU relatively balanced there (after the voidray slight revert and end of opening voids vs queen walks meta), and then Protoss has to deal with this PvT imbalance roughly on the same level as PvZ's toughest years (around 2019-2020 ish iirc). This is why we should stop being so afraid to buff Protoss up a bit; they've really suffered the most from balance throughout LotV. Even if Protoss ends up being slightly favored in the MUs, we can always pull things back! | ||
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