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On February 27 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 10:06 Vivax wrote:
Hey WoS, who do you think would be my scumbuddies? Doesn't matter to me right now. It's pretty rare for me to have strong scumreads D1 in any game so I'm pretty happy with just you. And if you can't lynch me? What will you do then? After all there gotta be two other scum somewhere right? In my opinion your vote will end somewhere meaningless.
Lotsa time left. As for the other two scum, right now I'm just as interested in seeing what happens with Mocsta as everyone else. You know, 'cause I'm interested in determining people's alignments. I'm certainly not done pushing you, and I have tons of time to talk to other people I don't have good reads on yet, (cavalinho/suki/gumshoe/Chyz etc)
Worst case scenario if I have to sheep later on into the day I will. I have plenty of people I have a good amount of trust with right now.
If anything my vote could be somewhere 'meaningless' because I won't be around for deadline, as has been true for the last like 4 games that have had this time.
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On February 27 2014 10:08 Vivax wrote:
Suki can you tell me if the points you previously made against mocsta still stand? And how you weigh them in compared to the new information you used in your decision to unvote him.
My biggest beef with mocsta was him flip flopping and his evolution of reads not making sense. His response that that was just how he played, also his way of not providing reads on rayn and Holy ( I think) felt townie to me.
I didn't like how he misconstrued me to be scummy early but at least he was scum hunting.in the end we both gota better read of each other andi think that's a good result.
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I've got to admit your change of read doesn't entirely persuade me. The part on Rayn is what you earlier called scummy methinks.
- His opening play: Twisting things to look scummy, self-conscious
- Opportunistic voting of gumshoe, 'red herring' case on rayn that ended up going nowhere
- not pushing rayn even though he thinks rayn is scummy
- Evolution of reads that feels fake
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On February 27 2014 10:00 Vivax wrote:Mocsta the problem I have with you is that you don't have a locked on target and push it, and defend yourself, and post a shitload. I know you as being way more headstrong as town. Remember smurf mafia? THAT tryhard, that's mocsta how I remember it as town. So you're either in a horrible mood and feel defeated, which I think is more likely to happen to scum cause they tend to live in paranoia, or you genuinely have no time and don't give a shit. Or maybe you completely changed your playstyle for giggles. I think this was your filter, like last half of it. You were a replacement right? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=413713&user=TheDavison&view=allBesides, if you're town it's not too late. There are some points I'd like you to address. Gumshoe's confidence in your townieness. Your WoS townread. A somewhat conclusive read on geript would be appreciated. And whatever else you can think of of your own. I don't get this
I'm locked on chz
I'm also genuinely busy as in I have a deadline to meet which is sackable
Its my own fault for signing up
I would afk right now regardless of alignment.
Further I find your analysis half heartened.
U r comparing my game this game to old town games yet u just played a game where I was scum and no comparison has been given.
At this point I actually wish kush was playing.
Truth is vivax. The reasoning above is a total copout
I have given my read on geript already
I don't see anything wrong with gumshoe. In fact its disturbing the way u and rayn contrast with gumshoe considering we all played together.
I have a town read on wos because of his approach to the game. I feel he's evaluating information as it presents in a open way. He also asks what I think are fair questions.
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On February 27 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 09:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 09:47 Mocsta wrote:
Wave I asked geript that question not to be inane but to try and push him to comment on something familiar to him other than toad.
I don't disagree with vivax but u confuse me selfishly.
He's a stronger read than me??? U think I'm a possibility for scum? Are you actually around to talk? I don't HAVE a good read on you like most other people seem to (my own weakness---I never am able to read you particularly well) but as Rayn/Toad feel good about it if it came down to it I would have too if I hadn't looked into Vivax---Vivax sheeping along means nothing. And yeah I know the question isn't inane, I ask stuff like that all the time but I was giving Vivax the benefit of the doubt for the sake of my case. Not really able to talk or think deeply. I dunno this is annoying. I have to focus on work but I can't stop refrshing If u want something ask it. And if its detailed I will give it a crack at lunch time in say 4 hrs. You seem pretty concerned that you're going to get lynched when you have like 23h. As far as I can tell there's a little bit of sheepy sheepy going on and thread sentiment seems kinda mixed. I think at this point it's probably pretty important for you to give some real detailed justifications for reads (apparently including the read on me, which wasn't mentioned in your recent listpost). Another option: you still want TheChyz lynched--- (and I still haven't read him oh noes Vivax gon' lynch meh) can you give me a TL;DR to make it a little easier for me as a jumping off point and then we can talk about that? t all based on knowing my schedule.
I made that post not thinking I would be continually distracted.
I.e. I thought it would be my last post for the cycle.
As for chz my case hasn't changed
Ctrl f vote chez
I'm on fine. Too hard to paste. Sorry
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On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail?
There was nothing to respond to
U created two situations where I must be scum only
I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already
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On February 27 2014 10:15 Vivax wrote:I've got to admit your change of read doesn't entirely persuade me. The part on Rayn is what you earlier called scummy methinks. Show nested quote +- His opening play: Twisting things to look scummy, self-conscious
- Opportunistic voting of gumshoe, 'red herring' case on rayn that ended up going nowhere
- not pushing rayn even though he thinks rayn is scummy
- Evolution of reads that feels fake
Ya but If he's scum and I just madea big case on him calling him scum for not makinga case on rayn you think he would try to look good and make upa reason but instead he sticks to his guns. That seems more townie to me
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Suki, earlier you said that that point exactly was scummy.
No one started saying Rayn was scummy, Mocsta didn't elaborate on his read even though I asked him. Wave and JJD start saying gumshoe is scummy. Mocsta votes gumshoe with his marketing crap reasoning.
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On February 27 2014 10:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 09:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 09:47 Mocsta wrote:
Wave I asked geript that question not to be inane but to try and push him to comment on something familiar to him other than toad.
I don't disagree with vivax but u confuse me selfishly.
He's a stronger read than me??? U think I'm a possibility for scum? Are you actually around to talk? I don't HAVE a good read on you like most other people seem to (my own weakness---I never am able to read you particularly well) but as Rayn/Toad feel good about it if it came down to it I would have too if I hadn't looked into Vivax---Vivax sheeping along means nothing. And yeah I know the question isn't inane, I ask stuff like that all the time but I was giving Vivax the benefit of the doubt for the sake of my case. Not really able to talk or think deeply. I dunno this is annoying. I have to focus on work but I can't stop refrshing If u want something ask it. And if its detailed I will give it a crack at lunch time in say 4 hrs. You seem pretty concerned that you're going to get lynched when you have like 23h. As far as I can tell there's a little bit of sheepy sheepy going on and thread sentiment seems kinda mixed. I think at this point it's probably pretty important for you to give some real detailed justifications for reads (apparently including the read on me, which wasn't mentioned in your recent listpost). Another option: you still want TheChyz lynched--- (and I still haven't read him oh noes Vivax gon' lynch meh) can you give me a TL;DR to make it a little easier for me as a jumping off point and then we can talk about that? t all based on knowing my schedule. I made that post not thinking I would be continually distracted. I.e. I thought it would be my last post for the cycle. As for chz my case hasn't changed Ctrl f vote chez I'm on fine. Too hard to paste. Sorry
Oh yeah I do remember this case...and I remember not being a huge fan of it.
The points all seem like....I guess a stretch would be the best way of putting it?
Now, TheChyz could be super paranoid town that doesnt want to give away information. HOWEVER, I dont attribute his posting as giving that vibe. I suppose this is epitomised by: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:31 TheChyz wrote:
Typo seen ^ *gumshoe is currently set to be lynched*. Just found that funny since so much talk has been about him
How does that say anything about Chyz's alignment at all? What does him mentioning the typo say about him being paranoid or not?
The phrasing is not fluid or natural to me.
Regarding fluidity: I think this would be written "Also in bold, as town I never have thought "xxxx"
Regarding natural: I know when I've rolled scum, i often write a statement, proof read and then go.. ahh.. let me add "when town" typically at the end.
This feels very much the same. i.e. the "as town" component is a last addition designed to give strength to the argument.
This section on how you feel like Chyz should have phrased his sentence? Like what...what kind of point IS that to make in a case? That's just so WEIRD.
Other things in your case make sense to me like the section on calling out of HF, and the wonky justification of the townread on you (which I remember getting the jibblies about earlier) but like...some of those weird things in there don't really show how Chyz is scummy to me.
I also don't really know what your usage of those weird things says about you.
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On a long enough timeline, ignoring something becomes townie?
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On February 27 2014 10:20 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:15 Vivax wrote:I've got to admit your change of read doesn't entirely persuade me. The part on Rayn is what you earlier called scummy methinks. - His opening play: Twisting things to look scummy, self-conscious
- Opportunistic voting of gumshoe, 'red herring' case on rayn that ended up going nowhere
- not pushing rayn even though he thinks rayn is scummy
- Evolution of reads that feels fake
Ya but If he's scum and I just madea big case on him calling him scum for not makinga case on rayn you think he would try to look good and make upa reason but instead he sticks to his guns. That seems more townie to me
Reads not evolving and 'sticking to one's guns' is probably more often a scummy trait than towny one, at least the way TL meta takes it. Most often scum don't want to be seen as 'wishy-washy' (don't get me started on that thought) and so will try to be as absolutely consistent as possible.
You're saying that Mocsta is staying consistent on not wanting to make a case on Rayn would indicate to me first of all that Mocsta was scummy, and moreso, would you actually be appeased if someone you wrote a big huge case on for not doing something, came back and did that something?
Really?
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Wave
Well whether u r a fan or not is not important (of the chez case)
If u want to read my alignment make a judgement call on whether its intentionally bullshit
Or whether I believe what I wrote in my own twisted way
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On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason.
What does that achieve?
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Wave
U r misreading what suki wrote
She asked me to make a case on rayn
I said no because my priority is chz
Her point if view is that as scum with low credit I would try to appease her, thus would garnish info in rayn.
Instead I believe chz is scum and approached the game in a way to focus
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Rayn what is your primary reason for voting Mocsta?
And HF I'm still waiting re:
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OOps.
Still waiting re: showing me where you got to all my points first 
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On February 27 2014 10:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn what is your primary reason for voting Mocsta?
And HF I'm still waiting re:
you want me to actually quote everything just because you're too lazy to read my filter??
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On February 27 2014 10:34 Mocsta wrote:
Wave
U r misreading what suki wrote
She asked me to make a case on rayn
I said no because my priority is chz
Her point if view is that as scum with low credit I would try to appease her, thus would garnish info in rayn.
Instead I believe chz is scum and approached the game in a way to focus
No I read it just fine.
I don't see why she thinks you would try to appease her in the first place.
Doesn't seem like a likely scum move.
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On February 27 2014 10:10 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason.
What does that achieve? Just wanna play  I miss mafia. Sorry
Now what does you missing mafia (whatever that might mean) have to do with what the rest of the town is doing and you misrepresenting it?
On February 27 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail? There was nothing to respond to U created two situations where I must be scum only I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already
I want you to answer specifically these things:
[1.] How did you end up in a conclusion you presented about me-Toad eariler on in the game. Can you show me some examples from earlier games you think supports your argument? Me thinking someone is good/bad has nothing to do with me not being able to form a read on them and honeslty what you said reads only as you trying to shit on me-Toad for no reason, unless you can actually provide some examples that back up your thought process.
[2.] I don't understand how you read suki's posts three times and end up in a different conclusion every time. Which time you didn't read closely, because i can't believe you read someone closely enough to make a big post on them but not closely enough that after a re-read you form a different opinion on them. After your last re-read, which are the posts from suki that outweigh the earlier scummy posts from her so much that you are confident enough to call her town?
Now Mocsta, i know you know how to make people think about certain way of you when you are mafia. You appeal to emotion a lot because you know what people want to hear. Based on suki's case on you it's totally possible that you changed your read on her just to throw her off you, which apparently worked out if you are mafia and she is town. The fact that you call me town now, it does not work, and i also want ot hear this:
[3.] Why did you have a scumread on me early on?
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Hey HF in the interest of reciprocity you are encouraged to answer the questions I asked in return.
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