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On December 21 2013 03:07 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 00:07 Squat wrote: D. Communication & Storage Devices – Players must consult with the organizer before bringing electronic storage devices to any event and are not allowed to use any mobile or external communication equipment during a match. All personal equipment must be in an enclosed bag or be given to an administrator while a match is played.
Scarlett is fucked. I've been out of the scene for almost a year. What did I miss about Scarlett and this clause?
Not phone inside booths for tweeting and stuff.
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Listen guys, there's no shortage of 'BM' and 'Trashtalk' and 'Personality' (w/e the fuck that means, being a dick most often). If you want to go see a bunch of post-adolescents whining and yelling at each other and being offensive then go to...
Oh wait, you're already on the internet. Just stay here.
The point is SC2 is a competitive game. The entertainment comes from....the game. I know that's some kind of blasphemy in the foreign scene but it's true.
Sometimes I feel like there needs to be a game called Personality Craft so all the people that watch the game for whack foreigner bm can play that.
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On December 21 2013 03:04 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:52 Zealously wrote:On December 21 2013 02:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 21 2013 02:46 packrat386 wrote: Wait, casters cant comment negatively on players skill? That's silly. Insulting their character seems out of line, but criricizing their play is half of the job. Oh wow I missed that rule. That is so lame. It won't prevent casters from criticising decisions, but it'll stop casters from going "This is why player X is such a bad player" or "Here we can clearly see why player Y is the worse player of the two", none of which is really something we need to hear from tournament casters in the first place unless it's a funmatch. Or it might just censor casters altogether. I mean with a rule in place, why would someone risk a comment that's open for interpretation (as player bashing)? It's not like overly critical casters get a free pass from the fanbase anyhow. I'd much rather have a genuine cast (if it's too negative then I can just tune out/watch a different stream), rather than a uniform PC casting style. I know A LOT of players complain about it, so that's probably why it was implemented.
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Manner Blizzard. It's about time.
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Some actual rules and people will have to follow them or there will be consequences? Where has this been the past years.
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On December 21 2013 03:10 Rjlraymond wrote: Listen guys, there's no shortage of 'BM' and 'Trashtalk' and 'Personality' (w/e the fuck that means, being a dick most often). If you want to go see a bunch of post-adolescents whining and yelling at each other and being offensive then go to...
Oh wait, you're already on the internet. Just stay here.
The point is SC2 is a competitive game. The entertainment comes from....the game. I know that's some kind of blasphemy in the foreign scene but it's true.
Sometimes I feel like there needs to be a game called Personality Craft so all the people that watch the game for whack foreigner bm can play that.
Why would entertainment from the game and entertainment from the personality of the players be mutually exclusive?
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It's not surprising to see WCS tighten up their ship like this. Looking at the NFL (the most successful sports league in America) as a guide, it makes sense to have all league-related things be pretty serious and let the media and community interaction reveal personality. The league is responsible for maintaining the dignity of the competition while the media is responsible for livening it up. It's so strict in the NFL that fans jokingly call it the "No Fun League" every time a player receives a warning or a fine for their relatively harmless behavior.
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On December 20 2013 23:58 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 23:04 Waxangel wrote:No chatting- J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause.
Literally Kespa Nope. Kespa allowed only "pp" for pause and fined you for typing "ppp" instead.
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I agree with the rules based around keeping the tournament running in a smooth fashion (eg: no replays between games). Strongly disagree with all the rules in place that hamstring players and casters personality.
No high-level caster has made it to the position they are in now by being dicks. I've heard Artosis swear multiple times while in the GOM studio because he gets involved in the subject he's talking about. I love that. What's the point of making an ESRB Teen game: TEEN Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language. and then banning occasional language?
What does: The shoutcaster must treat all players with respect and cannot comment negatively on the player’s overall skill or character even mean? Can a caster disagree with a players build order choice? Can they say they've just done some bad forcefields? If they do, do they have to back it up with X, Y and Z reasons why?
How are analytical casters meant to inform viewers if they can't say: "Player X made a bad choice in that situation because..." "Wow It looks like Innovation just broke mentally against Soulkey in this GSL final!"?
Seems like someone complied a list of the worst offences in Starcraft history and just said: "Ok...just ban everything." without thinking about how much personality brings to entertainment value.
Seems like these rules are so open ended that a lot of people will get let off, some who trip up will probably get passes because of who they are and some might screw up and then have the whole book thrown at them by the letter of the law, not the spirit.
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No Fun League? Sounds kind of like Blizzard. They've made a point of stomping down on fun, quirky stuff in WoW for 7+ years now.
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On December 21 2013 03:21 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 23:58 Lorning wrote:On December 20 2013 23:04 Waxangel wrote:No chatting- J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause.
Literally Kespa Nope. Kespa allowed only "pp" for pause and fined you for typing "ppp" instead. But later changed the rule.
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Is there any ruling on what games you may or may not stream?
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On December 21 2013 03:22 Dubag wrote: I agree with the rules based around keeping the tournament running in a smooth fashion (eg: no replays between games). Strongly disagree with all the rules in place that hamstring players and casters personality.
No high-level caster has made it to the position they are in now by being dicks. I've heard Artosis swear multiple times while in the GOM studio because he gets involved in the subject he's talking about. I love that. What's the point of making an ESRB Teen game: TEEN Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language. and then banning occasional language?
What does: The shoutcaster must treat all players with respect and cannot comment negatively on the player’s overall skill or character even mean? Can a caster disagree with a players build order choice? Can they say they've just done some bad forcefields? If they do, do they have to back it up with X, Y and Z reasons why?
How are analytical casters meant to inform viewers if they can't say: "Player X made a bad choice in that situation because..." "Wow It looks like Innovation just broke mentally against Soulkey in this GSL final!"?
Seems like someone complied a list of the worst offences in Starcraft history and just said: "Ok...just ban everything." without thinking about how much personality brings to entertainment value.
Seems like these rules are so open ended that a lot of people will get let off, some who trip up will probably get passes because of who they are and some might screw up and then have the whole book thrown at them by the letter of the law, not the spirit. It says they can't comment negatively on the "overall skill" of a player, that doesn't mean they can't do a technical analysis of the game... what they can't say is stuff like "This player is really bad, he always allin he didn't deserve the win", which is a quite obvious form of respect, the rules just puts it on paper.
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None, stream whatever you want.
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On December 21 2013 03:27 IntoTheheart wrote: Is there any ruling on what games you may or may not stream? No, they're not Riot.
Which I love people complaining about too many rules for WCS and before they complained not enough done to make it professional. People complain about minutiae.
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The rule I found most interesting is the one states that players can't watch their replays after games.
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I love that they do not allow players to watch replays. It's annoying as hell when some players just don't give a fuck about the match and start watching replays after every game in a major tournament.
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J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause.
Honestly, most of the balance whining and quirky comments happened in the closing, so it really depends if the tournaments will let people say things like "Nice race you're playing there. GG", which isn't prohibited by this rule. Also you're allowed one warning per day, so some players might make us of that.
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Hmmm, I wonder if disallowing betting is only about all WCS games or also including tournaments involving WCS points
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On December 21 2013 03:32 lannisport wrote: The rule I found most interesting is the one states that players can't watch their replays after games. This was actually already the case for WCS.
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