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On December 21 2013 01:58 opisska wrote:
So, to make it constructive, does anyone know an interesting game to pick up watching? Requirements are interesting gameplay, an open-minded community where fun is allowed, enough content in english to watch, but without aspirations to become a "serious sport", ability to play it on a minimum-sc2-level hardware.
Someone mentioned it before... but the Fighting Game Community is everything you are looking for. I watch those tournament streams, and it is like players always casting, making jokes about each other/ to each other. When people lose there is a possibility for people in the crowd to get up and cheer like in an over the top fashion, which I'm sure would be defined as "unsportsman-like". What is even most intriguing is you can see players disrespecting each other just by how they play. This guy is so easy imma do this one combo only and win, etc. Seriously, those tournaments are like the good-ole LAN party days. Just game enthusiasts getting together doing what they love, having fun...none of this bullshit rules and regulations. They still get money, but it's like they play more for being the best than anything it seems. I dunno, I don't play fighting games that much, but I love that community and will always watch it because of that.
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if Idra was on a tournament he whuldnt get any money at all :D
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On December 21 2013 02:29 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 01:55 Bertholdz wrote:
This is so depressing. Wcs-rules that almost (for us that like entertaintment, anyway) seem inspired by the Russian guy with the moustache that died in the 50's. People being warned for just about anything on this site. Internet and society watched over by Big Brother making Orwells remindings weep tears of blood in his grave.
2014 is not going to be a good year on Tellus it seems.
User was warned for this post i can't belive he was warned for this post but it gives bigger meaning for what he said - and he is right... corporate behaviour, turning people to robots etc.
You talk as if the harsh TL moderation policy is something unique to 2014
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On December 21 2013 02:26 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:18 Plansix wrote:On December 21 2013 02:11 RaZorwire wrote:On December 21 2013 02:04 Plansix wrote:On December 21 2013 01:41 Big-t wrote:On December 21 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
The people citing "freedom of speech" are the best part of this thread. Please tell me what´s so funny about that. Freedom of Speech applies to governments repressing their people, not Sc2 players being told not to curse or be total assholes while in game. That would be a better argument if all chatting besides "glhf" and "gg" were players being assholes - but it isn't. Some of the most memorable games ever have come from players joking and exchanging friendly banter without really being BM. Preventing players from being total assholes makes sense, banning chat completely doesn't, freedom of speech or not. It's really not that big of a deal It is to some people (myself included), evidently. And even if it's not a big deal, it's still something that's going to hurt entertainment value (no matter how marginally) for a lot of viewers. If you want to provide a justification for this, you have to explain why it helps and why it's needed; just stating that it's not a big deal isn't enough. Show nested quote +
and by making this rule, it keeps blizzard from having to be the manner police and judge which comments are offensive and which are not.
That explains why it's easier, not better. Bluntly manner policing everything is ok, but doing it on a case-by-case basis is not? Besides, they made it through 2013 without having to police anything at all. Why would 2014 be any different? Show nested quote + Players can talk in private if they want or make their opinion known in an interview. True. Still doesn't explain how this is an improvement, though.
It's like a rule requested by sponsors or the event runners to keep the process more civil and avoid people going full Idra. Sponsors do not like the drama associated with the bad behavior of players and this is likely a way for them to make clear rules on what is and is not allowed.
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Imho all the bm stuff will be even MORE interesting: like for example naniwa gives out a f*** you and gets fined a % of his winnings and he does it multiple times and the more a player progresses in the tournament the more money that means which he doesn't get paid. And in the end one can see how much money they lost by being d****.
It does't limit ingame chat, I think it is something to even more to look for.
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No replay watching between matches !
Finally ! Thank you !
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What I'm concerned a bout here, is that say *IF* some qualifier is run in a shitty manner (and there have been some instances in the NA region), then the players have to adress it to the organizers first.
That way the organizers are able to hide their possibly shitty practices.
There has to be a way open for players to directly file complaints to a staff unit at the Blizzard esports team.
Thats also a goto then for late/no payments of price money (IPL anyone).
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Whats wrong with being a little drunk in tourneys? If the player can still play, more fun for the viewers.
Also ingame chat - more fun for the viewers!
In all honesty, the guy that wrote this, with the amount of useless rules and bureaucracy could be German...
That's like German administration, totally.
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On December 21 2013 02:33 dBdHellRider wrote:
if Idra was on a tournament he whuldnt get any money at all :D
Well he likely wouldn't win in the first place, so no. I wonder if a player can be fined into negative numbers and end up owing Blizzard money. This could lead to world's first Esports collection agency, two interns show up at your house, and if you won't pay they pour coke over your keyboard and fill your USB ports with gum.
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On December 21 2013 02:29 Sly Faux wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 01:58 opisska wrote:
So, to make it constructive, does anyone know an interesting game to pick up watching? Requirements are interesting gameplay, an open-minded community where fun is allowed, enough content in english to watch, but without aspirations to become a "serious sport", ability to play it on a minimum-sc2-level hardware. Someone mentioned it before... but the Fighting Game Community is everything you are looking for. I watch those tournament streams, and it is like players always casting, making jokes about each other/ to each other. When people lose there is a possibility for people in the crowd to get up and cheer like in an over the top fashion, which I'm sure would be defined as "unsportsman-like". What is even most intriguing is you can see players disrespecting each other just by how they play. This guy is so easy imma do this one combo only and win, etc. Seriously, those tournaments are like the good-ole LAN party days. Just game enthusiasts getting together doing what they love, having fun...none of this bullshit rules and regulations. They still get money, but it's like they play more for being the best than anything it seems. I dunno, I don't play fighting games that much, but I love that community and will always watch it because of that.
Sounds fun  I have never played a fighting game in my life, so it always seemed like an absurd thing to watch (and I had only a remote feeling that there may be some tournaments), but maybe I will give it a shot.
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On December 21 2013 02:35 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:29 purgerinho wrote:On December 21 2013 01:55 Bertholdz wrote:
This is so depressing. Wcs-rules that almost (for us that like entertaintment, anyway) seem inspired by the Russian guy with the moustache that died in the 50's. People being warned for just about anything on this site. Internet and society watched over by Big Brother making Orwells remindings weep tears of blood in his grave.
2014 is not going to be a good year on Tellus it seems.
User was warned for this post i can't belive he was warned for this post but it gives bigger meaning for what he said - and he is right... corporate behaviour, turning people to robots etc. You talk as if the harsh TL moderation policy is something unique to 2014
no, it started with sc2 (but there was manifesto whit his rules at politics part and plexa that thinks racism is when you say someone is capitalist) but in 2013. everything was way more harsh than ever and those two guys weren't exception anymore - that behavior became a rule... maybe because of too many tournaments and users, maybe because fresh blood wants to show themselves, who knows...
but warning for that post is WOW, i'm surprised! it goes with blizzard/kespa rules
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On December 21 2013 02:40 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:33 dBdHellRider wrote:
if Idra was on a tournament he whuldnt get any money at all :D Well he likely wouldn't win in the first place, so no. I wonder if a player can be fined into negative numbers and end up owing Blizzard money. This could lead to world's first Esports collection agency, two interns show up at your house, and if you won't pay they pour coke over your keyboard and fill your USB ports with gum.
I was actually wondering the same thing (well not about the collection part but the negative numbers anyway) - it'd be really cool (except for the players) if it could happen
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Very happy with the no-replay watching, it always felt silly to me to do that while a match is being played.
I'm sad about the no-chatting rule. It's unnecessary. People are not robots. Obviously if it's used to distract the other player it should not be allowed but a little sentence here and there will not harm anyone.
The no profanity in interviews rule is so stupidly American sigh. Next they will start bleeping out words -_-
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Wait, casters cant comment negatively on players skill? That's silly. Insulting their character seems out of line, but criricizing their play is half of the job.
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On December 21 2013 02:41 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:35 Zealously wrote:On December 21 2013 02:29 purgerinho wrote:On December 21 2013 01:55 Bertholdz wrote:
This is so depressing. Wcs-rules that almost (for us that like entertaintment, anyway) seem inspired by the Russian guy with the moustache that died in the 50's. People being warned for just about anything on this site. Internet and society watched over by Big Brother making Orwells remindings weep tears of blood in his grave.
2014 is not going to be a good year on Tellus it seems.
User was warned for this post i can't belive he was warned for this post but it gives bigger meaning for what he said - and he is right... corporate behaviour, turning people to robots etc. You talk as if the harsh TL moderation policy is something unique to 2014 no, it started with sc2 (but there was manifesto whit his rules at politics part and plexa that thinks racism is when you say someone is capitalist) but in 2013. everything was way more harsh than ever and those two guys weren't exception anymore - that behavior became a rule... maybe because of too many tournaments and users, maybe because fresh blood wants to show themselves, who knows... but warning for that post is WOW, i'm surprised! it goes with blizzard/kespa rules
Well, honestly, sc2 gave a lot more popularity to TeamLiquid, but that also included a lot of people that went over the top. I'm often a bit surprised by how harsh TL's moderation can be, but I understand it because of its roots as a pretty classy and trying to not be stupid community.
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On December 21 2013 02:40 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:29 Sly Faux wrote:On December 21 2013 01:58 opisska wrote:
So, to make it constructive, does anyone know an interesting game to pick up watching? Requirements are interesting gameplay, an open-minded community where fun is allowed, enough content in english to watch, but without aspirations to become a "serious sport", ability to play it on a minimum-sc2-level hardware. Someone mentioned it before... but the Fighting Game Community is everything you are looking for. I watch those tournament streams, and it is like players always casting, making jokes about each other/ to each other. When people lose there is a possibility for people in the crowd to get up and cheer like in an over the top fashion, which I'm sure would be defined as "unsportsman-like". What is even most intriguing is you can see players disrespecting each other just by how they play. This guy is so easy imma do this one combo only and win, etc. Seriously, those tournaments are like the good-ole LAN party days. Just game enthusiasts getting together doing what they love, having fun...none of this bullshit rules and regulations. They still get money, but it's like they play more for being the best than anything it seems. I dunno, I don't play fighting games that much, but I love that community and will always watch it because of that. Sounds fun I have never played a fighting game in my life, so it always seemed like an absurd thing to watch (and I had only a remote feeling that there may be some tournaments), but maybe I will give it a shot.
the FGC is hype, they dont take themselves too seriously. i honestly always have more fun watching a FGC major than any other game.
oh and the money match drama is always awesome to watch.
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On December 21 2013 02:46 packrat386 wrote:
Wait, casters cant comment negatively on players skill? That's silly. Insulting their character seems out of line, but criricizing their play is half of the job.
Oh wow I missed that rule. That is so lame.
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On December 20 2013 23:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Liquibet for the most fined players. Please.
No Idra in WCS makes the choice alot harder.
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On December 21 2013 02:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:46 packrat386 wrote:
Wait, casters cant comment negatively on players skill? That's silly. Insulting their character seems out of line, but criricizing their play is half of the job. Oh wow I missed that rule. That is so lame.
Basically the caster can't just say "X player is bad," but instead why a decision lead them to lose. PC/professional.
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On December 21 2013 02:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 02:46 packrat386 wrote:
Wait, casters cant comment negatively on players skill? That's silly. Insulting their character seems out of line, but criricizing their play is half of the job. Oh wow I missed that rule. That is so lame.
I mean as long as they only enforce really excessive cases (just bashing one player for the whole game) it doesn't seem too bad. I just worry that it will make casters too bubbly. When players make a bad decision the casters should point that out.
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