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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Oh wow I missed that rule. That is so lame. It won't prevent casters from criticising decisions, but it'll stop casters from going "This is why player X is such a bad player" or "Here we can clearly see why player Y is the worse player of the two", none of which is really something we need to hear from tournament casters in the first place unless it's a funmatch. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:52 Zealously wrote: It won't prevent casters from criticising decisions, but it'll stop casters from going "This is why player X is such a bad player" or "Here we can clearly see why player Y is the worse player of the two", none of which is really something we need to hear from tournament casters in the first place unless it's a funmatch. Eh, this sort of honesty is the kind of thing that really draws me to a few casters in particular. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:52 packrat386 wrote: I mean as long as they only enforce really excessive cases (just bashing one player for the whole game) it doesn't seem too bad. I just worry that it will make casters too bubbly. When players make a bad decision the casters should point that out. Nothing will stop artosis from being artosis. We are safe from overly bubbly casters I think. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:52 Zealously wrote: It won't prevent casters from criticising decisions, but it'll stop casters from going "This is why player X is such a bad player" or "Here we can clearly see why player Y is the worse player of the two", none of which is really something we need to hear from tournament casters in the first place unless it's a funmatch. we hear this all the time at homestory, and people love that shit, even if its meant to be a joking way. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Replay packs may be made public after the conclusion of the season in which the original game was played. Come on just make it so they HAVE to release it to the public after a season. People with connections like Day9 can without problems get access to a WCS replay while others cant. It could make more people invest more time into creating youtube content surrounding it. | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
The shoutcaster must treat all players with respect and cannot comment negatively on the player’s overall skill or character borderline censorship, or I'm misinterpreting? "negatively" can have a broad definition I love it when casters call out on the bullshit some kids do, but oh well, guess blizz doesn't want any depreciation of their product, which from a corporative point of view, is reasonable, but still smells bad for some of us viewers IMO. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:53 packrat386 wrote: Eh, this sort of honesty is the kind of thing that really draws me to a few casters in particular. And that's fine, they'll still be casting like that at Homestory Cups or (maybe) non-WCS tournaments, but if Blizzard aims to make WCS a professionally run tournament I think casters not going "Tassadar sucks" is a pretty reasonable standard, and I know such casting (in GSL/GSTL) has upset a few people in the past. | ||
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choe
Germany86 Posts
its good to have a fixed ruleset, but this one is just taking it way to far. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:42 Zealously wrote: I was actually wondering the same thing (well not about the collection part but the negative numbers anyway) - it'd be really cool (except for the players) if it could happen But how would you be able to get a negative number if it is based on % of earnings? And would you actually get money if you broke a rule when in the negative? Someone call gedatsu | ||
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reikai
United States359 Posts
J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause." Now the players are KeSPa robots? :/ | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:56 Zealously wrote: And that's fine, they'll still be casting like that at Homestory Cups or (maybe) non-WCS tournaments, but if Blizzard aims to make WCS a professionally run tournament I think casters not going "Tassadar sucks" is a pretty reasonable standard, and I know such casting (in GSL/GSTL) has upset a few people in the past. Fair enough. I don't think the rule is that problematic. I just hope they don't interpret it too strictly. Casting without criticism can get bland unless the game really is that good. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:57 AlternativeEgo wrote: But how would you be able to get a negative number if it is based on % of earnings? And would you actually get money if you broke a rule when in the negative? Someone call gedatsu I thought it was a flat -5% of the (original) #x prize money. So if the prize for first place is $1000, each penalty would remove $50. Otherwise, obviously, it wouldn't work :/ | ||
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waflz
Canada51 Posts
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:52 Zealously wrote: It won't prevent casters from criticising decisions, but it'll stop casters from going "This is why player X is such a bad player" or "Here we can clearly see why player Y is the worse player of the two", none of which is really something we need to hear from tournament casters in the first place unless it's a funmatch. Or it might just censor casters altogether. I mean with a rule in place, why would someone risk a comment that's open for interpretation (as player bashing)? It's not like overly critical casters get a free pass from the fanbase anyhow. I'd much rather have a genuine cast (if it's too negative then I can just tune out/watch a different stream), rather than a uniform PC casting style. | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:37 Plansix wrote: It's like a rule requested by sponsors or the event runners to keep the process more civil and avoid people going full Idra. Sponsors do not like the drama associated with the bad behavior of players and this is likely a way for them to make clear rules on what is and is not allowed. there are plently of things I don't really understand with this line of thought. As a pointed out in another post, EG had no problems becoming the most well-sponsored team in the scene with Idra on the roster. It wasn't until he started asking people to die of cancer, trash-talk the community and forfeit WCS-games that he ended up fired. If anything, his attitude helped him get more fans AND make him more marketable, and the same goes for many other "controversial" players (Naniwa, Stephano, etc). I mean, of course there are sponsors who are not comfortable with certain player behavior (which is why Idra was ultimately fired), but if this is coming from the sponsors, it's something they should have taken to their respective teams and not tried to force on WCS. Are there even any sponsors who could have any say on WCS rules besides Blizzard? And if this is a request coming from event runners, why have they not had similar rules on their own, respective, non-WCS events in the past? ESL have had no non-chat rule on any of their tournaments, AFAIK. Neither have NASL, or even Gom. If this is coming from them, why now and not before? And even if there was someone responsible for paying for WCS in any capacity who were concerned about a player going "full Idra", why would we find it justified to censor (stong word, but that's ultimately what it is) ALL players from expressing, well, ANYTHING in the in-game chat because of something one or two players MIGHT do? And looking at the bigger picture, why would we want the Starcraft-scene to develop in that direction? Why would we want a game where players constantly have to watch what they say or do - not because of what the audience might think, but because of the opinions of a a sponsor? I mean, sure, you have to draw a line somewhere. I don't want players to get away with dropping racial slurs or actual serious threats in a tournament game, but when has that ever been an issue in the past? And even if it had been an issue, is it a big enough problem to justify blocking players from chatting AT ALL? Well, no. Of course not. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:57 AlternativeEgo wrote: But how would you be able to get a negative number if it is based on % of earnings? And would you actually get money if you broke a rule when in the negative? Someone call gedatsu I was thinking if you are penalized 110% of total prize money, you end up winning a total of 5k during the season, meaning you end up with a 500 dollar deficit. This could lead to some funny situations where players would have to lose to avoid going bankrupt. But not on purpose because then they get fined even more. If you would actually get money when in the negative...someone get Hovz on the phone. | ||
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-stOpSKY-
Canada498 Posts
On December 21 2013 00:07 Squat wrote: D. Communication & Storage Devices – Players must consult with the organizer before bringing electronic storage devices to any event and are not allowed to use any mobile or external communication equipment during a match. All personal equipment must be in an enclosed bag or be given to an administrator while a match is played. Scarlett is fucked. I've been out of the scene for almost a year. What did I miss about Scarlett and this clause? | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 21 2013 03:07 -stOpSKY- wrote: I've been out of the scene for almost a year. What did I miss about Scarlett and this clause? She tweets. A lot. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 21 2013 00:20 Squat wrote: I don't think we need to restrict the chat so severely, some banter or witty trash talk can be quite entertaining. As long the rules for offensive and insulting language are enforced, I don't really see a need to kill off all in-game chat. Naniwa's "lol fuck" vs Jaedong still makes me smile, I'd hate to lose things like that completely. In that case you would have endless debates if Naniwa really said something for serious or if he was only joking. Or is something a cultural thing in Sweden/Scandinavia or just rude behavior. Naniwa haters, Faniwa haters and Faniwas would get into never ending debate over stuff like that. Personally I like this no chat rule. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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