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hifriend
China7935 Posts
B. Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans. naniwa pls J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause. kespa 2.0 pls... | ||
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kanu_knl
United States83 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Supert0fu
United States499 Posts
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
On December 21 2013 01:52 Zealously wrote: Yeah there are a few holes in this argument During games, I don't think so: "J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause." "GG GL HF", "GG" and "PP" is not "chat". It's automated, agreed upon, terms like a handshake in tennis or a pat on the shoulder in an MMA fight. Chatting is an exchange of conversation, rude or no, it's still about conversation. | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:04 Plansix wrote: Freedom of Speech applies to governments repressing their people, not Sc2 players being told not to curse or be total assholes while in game. That would be a better argument if all chatting besides "glhf" and "gg" were players being assholes - but it isn't. Some of the most memorable games ever have come from players joking and exchanging friendly banter without really being BM. Preventing players from being total assholes makes sense, banning chat completely doesn't, freedom of speech or not. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On December 21 2013 01:27 virpi wrote: aww cmon blizzard. bm chat is fun. and bm is part of every sport. ever heard of "trash talk"? as long as the bm stays inside certain measures (no racism, no sexims, no political statements, etc.), it adds a lot of fun to the viewing experience. but well, we have to become more "professional", I guess. why can't we be professional AND entertaining at the same time :/ It's different in other sports because 99% of the time the trash talk is between the players only, it's not typed out on a screen for all the viewers to see. And when the trash talk goes too far or they take it to offensive levels they are fined. It happens in other sports all the time. Or if a ref hears something offensive normally a penalty is given, and the discretion of the league to fine/penalize the players further. To be honest I think having these rules laid out is more so for the sponsors than anything else, it shows potential sponsors that the sc2 Esports scene is trying to mature, and is good for gaining more serious professional sponsors for tournaments. Not to mention the majority of the rules are accompanied by the "at the discretion of the tournament organizers" line, so I would assume most of these won't be enforced with an "iron fist" or anything if it's deemed not too serious. Everything looks fine to me honestly, people need to read the whole sentences before complaining, because most of them are up to the tournament organizers to enforce, not an independent panel that are like super strict or something, so like people have said ASC/ATSC can still function as normally, and other tournaments looking for a more relaxed environment need not to worry. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:11 RaZorwire wrote: That would be a better argument if all chatting besides "glhf" and "gg" were players being assholes - but it isn't. Some of the most memorable games ever have come from players joking and exchanging friendly banter without really being BM. Preventing players from being total assholes makes sense, banning chat completely doesn't, freedom of speech or not. It's really not that big of a deal and by making this rule, it keeps blizzard from having to be the manner police and judge which comments are offensive and which are not. Players can talk in private if they want or make their opinion known in an interview. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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Sacrilege
United States199 Posts
The only thing that gets me personally though is the refusal for pro players to watch replays during matches. I feel that a player shouldn't be denied the ability to figure out why he lost immediately rather than potentially have it hang over his head as he heads into the next series. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:07 lichter wrote: Zealously has been cranky lately All the sugar from Christmas cookies is also making people extra dumb lately. | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On December 21 2013 02:11 ArTiFaKs wrote: It's different in other sports because 99% of the time the trash talk is between the players only, it's not typed out on a screen for all the viewers to see. And when the trash talk goes too far or they take it to offensive levels they are fined. It happens in other sports all the time. Or if a ref hears something offensive normally a penalty is given, and the discretion of the league to fine/penalize the players further. To be honest I think having these rules laid out is more so for the sponsors than anything else, it shows potential sponsors that the sc2 Esports scene is trying to mature, and is good for gaining more serious professional sponsors for tournaments. Not to mention the majority of the rules are accompanied by the "at the discretion of the tournament organizers" line, so I would assume most of these won't be enforced with an "iron fist" or anything if it's deemed not too serious. Everything looks fine to me honestly, people need to read the whole sentences before complaining, because most of them are up to the tournament organizers to enforce, not an independent panel that are like super strict or something, so like people have said ASC/ATSC can still function as normally, and other tournaments looking for a more relaxed environment need not to worry. I've seen that reasoning about professionality => sponsors before, and I'm not sure it would ever be an issue. If a company like Coca Cola being were investing in the SC2 scene, would players chatting (not necessarily being BM, mind you) be some kind of deal breaker? I mean, EG managed to become the most well-sponsored team in the scene while still having Idra on the roster. He wasn't fired until after a loooong line of missteps. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On December 21 2013 01:45 SirFailalot wrote: So pretty much the reasoning here is : "Lets take away everything that makes the sc2 community so great and make it stiff and boring". Those rules are ridiciolous, Make a dress code and act like corporate workers next time. This is Bullshit. We need more folks like you. | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
It is to some people (myself included), evidently. And even if it's not a big deal, it's still something that's going to hurt entertainment value (no matter how marginally) for a lot of viewers. If you want to provide a justification for this, you have to explain why it helps and why it's needed; just stating that it's not a big deal isn't enough. and by making this rule, it keeps blizzard from having to be the manner police and judge which comments are offensive and which are not. That explains why it's easier, not better. Bluntly manner policing everything is ok, but doing it on a case-by-case basis is not? Besides, they made it through 2013 without having to police anything at all. Why would 2014 be any different? Players can talk in private if they want or make their opinion known in an interview. True. Still doesn't explain how this is an improvement, though. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
On December 21 2013 01:55 Bertholdz wrote: This is so depressing. Wcs-rules that almost (for us that like entertaintment, anyway) seem inspired by the Russian guy with the moustache that died in the 50's. People being warned for just about anything on this site. Internet and society watched over by Big Brother making Orwells remindings weep tears of blood in his grave. 2014 is not going to be a good year on Tellus it seems. User was warned for this post i can't belive he was warned for this post but it gives bigger meaning for what he said - and he is right... corporate behaviour, turning people to robots etc. User was warned for this post | ||
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