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On December 21 2013 01:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 01:27 virpi wrote:
aww cmon blizzard. bm chat is fun. and bm is part of every sport. ever heard of "trash talk"? as long as the bm stays inside certain measures (no racism, no sexims, no political statements, etc.), it adds a lot of fun to the viewing experience.
but well, we have to become more "professional", I guess.
why can't we be professional AND entertaining at the same time :/ Trash talk in soccer is being punished with a yellow or red card, so I don't get your point. Since starcraft players will most likely not hit each other, their fighting with their tongue. trash talk like idra goes for is not fun at all.
EDIT: My bad, missed a word in the post you replied to. Sorry. :/
I still think the rule as such is really stupid, though. I mean, obviously there should be ways to penalize players for going way out of line, but stopping the players from engaging in any kind of in-game banter is not helping entertainment value.
Also, I think what bothers me the most is the rule about players having to adress the tournament organisers first when they have an issue. Regulating what players say in chat is one thing, but why would you want to prevent them from expressing themselves via other channels such as twitter? Jokes about "freedom of speech" aside, why would we be ok with Blizzard penalizing or banning players for stating their opinion via networks that are outside of Blizzard's control?
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"that was a horrible engagment, what was he thinking?" commentator banned.
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On December 21 2013 01:27 virpi wrote:
why can't we be professional AND entertaining at the same time :/
This has never happened! because these two work/fight against each other.
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On December 21 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
The people citing "freedom of speech" are the best part of this thread.
Some don't know or remember the Kespan rule, which with I agree.
My favorite is some people say no alcohol at an event is bad. The players are showcasing the game. Having intoxicated players showcasing themselves like that could tarnish the events. That's saving themselves.
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On December 21 2013 00:07 Sly Faux wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 00:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 20 2013 23:56 Sly Faux wrote:
I understand the reasons behind this, we need to act professional fi we are to be taken seriously, but this just rustle my jimmies. No offensive language, no in game chat... basically all the lovable friendly trash talk that really gets me hyped, is out. No more personalities everybody! Remember how much we loved Idra's "Fuck you" to Huk after that Halluc VR match? NO MORE OF THAT NOW!. Robots everybody, just play the game and get out.
4thelolz: No CHEATING!? Looks like the whole Protoss race is out... those advanced imbalanced theocratic dicks. That's up to the player. In France, soccer player are fined all the time because they say things like : "Fuck you dickhead" to journalists. They are fined but still play (and win sometimes. (i don't follow football)). To be faire the idrA "fuck you" happened in 2010/2011. We are in 2014 and it was the last time we saw something like that. Guess you have not been hyped for a long time sir. (You might want to edit the 4thelolz line). But... but the whole line was 4thelolz, of course it is going to be a hyperbolic with witty and, oh so, subtle remarks about something. And I'm aware how long ago that happened, but I just always loved the in game chat. Most of it is friendly banter that we can all enjoy, but rarely, oh so rarely, it happens that someone express their utter disgust and rage, and that makes me smile. "Apologize for playing that race" Come on, we have all been there on ladder. Even, Jesus got angry that one time.
Yeah but this is an E-sport tournament not a ladder game. It's quite different 
I don't mind the no chat. It was like that in BW so maybe i'm just used to it.
Also a lot of those rules are hear in order to take care of possible problem. They won't fine someone for saying : "i like your trousers". Look at the first PL game of stefano. You'll see the difference with KespA 
The no replay thing is a little bit weird. What is Life gonna do ?
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On December 21 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
The people citing "freedom of speech" are the best part of this thread.
Please tell me what´s so funny about that.
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This is wonderfull news! If they are really going to vigorously enforce all the bullshit points, and this really indicates the level of political correctness we are to expect in the following year, I may as well finally get to do something useful, instead of spending half of my time watching SC2.
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About invoking freedom of speech, please don't, it makes you look silly. Blizzard is not a country and WCS is not a democracy. There is no freedom of speech. There is our way or the go-fuck-yourself way.
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On December 21 2013 01:41 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
The people citing "freedom of speech" are the best part of this thread. Please tell me what´s so funny about that.
maybe sarcasm ? i think penalising people for in game chat is just bad . make a button to hide chat already ..
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It's actually pretty good that they made this.
Would have been concerned if we didn't have a code of conduct.
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On December 21 2013 01:43 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 01:41 Big-t wrote:On December 21 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
The people citing "freedom of speech" are the best part of this thread. Please tell me what´s so funny about that. maybe sarcasm ? i think penalising people for in game chat is just bad . make a button to hide chat already ..
then we dont see glhf gg wp soundproblem etc.
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So pretty much the reasoning here is : "Lets take away everything that makes the sc2 community so great and make it stiff and boring". Those rules are ridiciolous, Make a dress code and act like corporate workers next time. This is Bullshit.
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I'm just happy there's other competitive games where people aren't obsess with professionalism, rules, and trying to convince people that what they like is a legit sport of some kind...
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On December 21 2013 01:36 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 01:31 boxerfred wrote:On December 21 2013 01:27 virpi wrote:
aww cmon blizzard. bm chat is fun. and bm is part of every sport. ever heard of "trash talk"? as long as the bm stays inside certain measures (no racism, no sexims, no political statements, etc.), it adds a lot of fun to the viewing experience.
but well, we have to become more "professional", I guess.
why can't we be professional AND entertaining at the same time :/ Trash talk in soccer is being punished with a yellow or red card, so I don't get your point. Since starcraft players will most likely not hit each other, their fighting with their tongue. trash talk like idra goes for is not fun at all. Ah, the classic "well since this is the way it is in AFK sports we need to follow suit"-line of thought. Well no, we don't. Why the fuck should we care what people do in soccer?
To be fair, the statement boxerfred responded to claimed that "trash talk" is encouraged or at least least tolerated in "every sport", which simply isn't true.
As for the rulebook itself, I have only one thing to say
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Guess that now everything's "strict" and "regulated" kinda feel bad for a few things:
1 - not being able to watch reps between games - might be OK, IDK though
2 - must accept invite within 1 minute - think that's a bit too harsh, should be 2 mins, cause feels BOTH - too restrictive in terms of mental stabilization as well as b.net itself..What if the game (while in game-menu) does some "non-responsive" readings that sometimes can occur.. ?
3 - No chat isn't, but also IS retarded = if you really want games to not have chat then why not automatically disable chat after min2 within the game and enable it back when you're below 50 supply once gone over it ?? Hell - why not even disable chat completely and just make the game itself send the "gl hf" messages at the beginning and the "gg" when a quit is requested ?
IDK why people disregard Naniwa about these, the only thing that's referred to him is the no-gg or the PvP is bullsh*t or sth that he sometimes does before the end.. The no-watch-replay between games will if anyone - hurt Zergs the most, or maybe in some special PvZ cases - Protoss - however - the point is - that's a clear Terran undeserved advantage IMO..
Like - not a bad thing in terms of how few Terrans we usually see at the events, but it's clearly an undeserved advantage TBH, like - even if the player got completely caught off-guard - can just scan to see what was going on before typing out the GG, that's a feature that the other 2 races can't afford, not to say that out of all of them Terran's like the most build-order immune race itself
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Implement chat into the game engine.
Remove it in their own tournament!
"excellent" - M. Burns
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On December 21 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
The people citing "freedom of speech" are the best part of this thread.
It's gonna be up to SHOUTcraft 'Murkuh to preserve the Constitutional freedom of players to swear at each other
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so just wondering is dropping manner mules considered being unsportsmanlike because if so i dont like that. i like seeing players drops mules proxy nexus and hatches to bm a little it makes the game fun and makes rivalries, also i dont like that you cant say anything bad now without getting in trouble it takes away some personalities like mc and genius were mc said genius was bad or something,so will he get fined for that or not? not sure if i like all these rules i understand there trying to be professional but this is a game and most are young adults so were all going to bm/rage/talk shit every once and a while and it makes the game fun not having faceless players, also if you get bm then the next game is all the better because you want to crush this guy which make for better games imo
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On December 21 2013 01:36 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 01:31 boxerfred wrote:On December 21 2013 01:27 virpi wrote:
aww cmon blizzard. bm chat is fun. and bm is part of every sport. ever heard of "trash talk"? as long as the bm stays inside certain measures (no racism, no sexims, no political statements, etc.), it adds a lot of fun to the viewing experience.
but well, we have to become more "professional", I guess.
why can't we be professional AND entertaining at the same time :/ Trash talk in soccer is being punished with a yellow or red card, so I don't get your point. Since starcraft players will most likely not hit each other, their fighting with their tongue. trash talk like idra goes for is not fun at all. Ah, the classic "well since this is the way it is in AFK sports we need to follow suit"-line of thought. Well no, we don't. Why the fuck should we care what people do in soccer?
Because de poster of the original message said "every sport"???
Care to read before respond?
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