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crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
December 20 2013 19:17 GMT
#241
Pretty lame ruleset, but that's what we get when a bunch of corporate fags are writing the rules. Yes lets all be robots, show no emotion, just purchase all the shit thrown at us, lets behave and bend over and take it like a slut.





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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 20 2013 19:18 GMT
#242
On December 21 2013 04:13 Schelim wrote:
if you look at these rules and really think about the WCS tournaments of 2013, you'll realize that hardly anything will change. in fact, it will probably be MORE fun because now Naniwa will not only say something stupid, he will also get fined for it and then say something stupid about how the rules are stupid because he got fined for saying something stupid. i welcome the replay thing, i don't think watching a replay helps much in MOST cases anyways, and the amount of downtime in most sc2 tournaments has been ridiculous to the point where i have often just stopped watching in the middle of a tournament.

This guy is pretty smart. Not a lot is going to change for viewers, except it will be really funny when someone get dinged for saying something stupid.
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
December 20 2013 19:30 GMT
#243
On December 21 2013 04:09 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 03:57 MonkeyBot wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:06 Greendotz wrote:
I've seen that pic of Naniwa so many times but still to this day have no idea what's going on in it :/


Seconded. I have a guess on what's going on but not sure. Can someone enlighten this noob?

[This noob referring to myself, not Greendotz]

I think it was right after he lost to Leenock in the DreamHack finals because that's DH boss Robert Ohlen. I could be wrong

I'm pretty sure you're right
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Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
December 20 2013 19:38 GMT
#244
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
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On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.


I've always been lead to understand a Bo3 is a match and each individual map is a set. That's how it always was on GomTV.

Blizzard should really clarify.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 20 2013 19:44 GMT
#245
On December 21 2013 04:38 Gorilla23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.


I've always been lead to understand a Bo3 is a match and each individual map is a set. That's how it always was on GomTV.

Blizzard should really clarify.


A Bo3 is a set of matches/maps. Think of it as a set of adorable tea cups. One cup does not make a set.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 20 2013 19:46 GMT
#246
I don't think in-game chat is a good platform for showing personality. Many tournaments have pregame and postgame interviews. Many tournaments have a camera on the players while they play. Many tournaments show the winner for 30 seconds after the match to allow them to show some kind of celebration or reaction. And beyond all that, there are a million other outlets for getting messages out to the public. The time spent in-game during a tournament is dedicated to the game itself, to the performance of the players.

Yeah it's exciting when players do unexpected things and say unexpected things and when they cross the line. I'm not surprised that such moments are a lot of fans' favorites. But I think keeping them taboo and keeping them infrequent contributes to their value. If players were disrespectful and whimsical during tournaments and during actual games with any amount of regularity, then it'd be a shit show.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 20 2013 19:51 GMT
#247
In general its not wierd. They fund WCS and its normal u follow some rules. I dont mind a penalty against bad behaviour either, its a bit like a speedingticket. Although it makes me wonder why they introduced it. Did something happen during WCS this year that they think they need this because u know it will allways give badpress for your company in the start? Anyone?
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Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
December 20 2013 19:52 GMT
#248
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.

I'm pretty sure what they mean by the wording of that rule is that you must play as one race for an entire series, but can then switch races for your next series (match). Generally, a match refers to the overall BoX, whereas a game refers to each map played.
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 19:57:04
December 20 2013 19:53 GMT
#249
On December 20 2013 23:13 Crownlol wrote:
Strange that they can't use chat, some of the longer greetings are nice!


J. During the game, players may not use chat except for a greeting, closing, and request for pause.

so i think the typical stephano greeting would be allowed here as example.

i not saw a single non related chat anyways who wasnt greeting or closing


On December 21 2013 04:17 crappen wrote:
Pretty lame ruleset, but that's what we get when a bunch of corporate fags are writing the rules. Yes lets all be robots, show no emotion, just purchase all the shit thrown at us, lets behave and bend over and take it like a slut.

User was warned for this post


wow ... a WARNING ? really ? in the good old times he would have been hitched trough the town by spikes and flames xD

in other words ... dude thats BS the rules are fine and every normal person on earth should follow them with np ... like in every other sport ... if you say after a soccergame that your enemy team is a bunch of fuckers etc you get problems as well ...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4414 Posts
December 20 2013 19:55 GMT
#250
Everything sounds good and like rules that should have been implemented a long time ago. I still remember when Naniwa beat Nestea in that MLG invitational right after watching his replay when he shouldn't' have been allowed too...

There is one thing I have a huge problem with though:
C. Disputes and Redress – Any disputes a player may have with the current operation of the league should first be addressed by email, telephone or in person to the tournament organizer. If the organizer does not provide an adequate response in a timely fashion,
players and teams should contact Blizzard Entertainment at esportsteam@blizzard.com.


This is a pretty horrible rule that definitely shouldn't exist and is obviously just a way to cover up mistakes and prevent bad publicity. They should just make sure the event is run correctly to prevent bad publicity rather than forcing players and teams to keep quiet at the cost of prize money.
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
December 20 2013 19:56 GMT
#251
On December 21 2013 04:44 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:38 Gorilla23 wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.


I've always been lead to understand a Bo3 is a match and each individual map is a set. That's how it always was on GomTV.

Blizzard should really clarify.


A Bo3 is a set of matches/maps. Think of it as a set of adorable tea cups. One cup does not make a set.

I think youre wrong man. Think of it in terms of tennis for example; there are many games played, but only one match. Its the same with starcraft. Thats also why it says you have to tell the tournament organizer which race your going to play before map selection, which is what the early ban/pick phase is called before any games are played.
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Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
December 20 2013 19:57 GMT
#252
I think a lot of these rules could have been sostituted with common sense. I mean, shout casters are generally pretty good about avoiding to bash players (maybe I've been missing something with gstl casters? Don't know).
It feels like the rules became really strict even though little has changed.
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Happygreek
Profile Joined April 2012
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 20:03:34
December 20 2013 19:58 GMT
#253
On December 21 2013 04:52 Survivor61316 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.

I'm pretty sure what they mean by the wording of that rule is that you must play as one race for an entire series, but can then switch races for your next series (match). Generally, a match refers to the overall BoX, whereas a game refers to each map played.


I interpret match as a single game and a set as a group of matches, meaning a best of three is a set of 3 matches. Basically the way it's used in tennis. Definitely should be clarified if there's this much confusion.

Edit: clarity
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 19:59:39
December 20 2013 19:59 GMT
#254
On December 21 2013 04:55 JJH777 wrote:
Everything sounds good and like rules that should have been implemented a long time ago. I still remember when Naniwa beat Nestea in that MLG invitational right after watching his replay when he shouldn't' have been allowed too...

There is one thing I have a huge problem with though:
C. Disputes and Redress – Any disputes a player may have with the current operation of the league should first be addressed by email, telephone or in person to the tournament organizer. If the organizer does not provide an adequate response in a timely fashion,
players and teams should contact Blizzard Entertainment at esportsteam@blizzard.com.


This is a pretty horrible rule that definitely shouldn't exist and is obviously just a way to cover up mistakes and prevent bad publicity. They should just make sure the event is run correctly to prevent bad publicity rather than forcing players and teams to keep quiet at the cost of prize money.


yep thats a "no complain or we fuck you" rule that is the ONLY problem of all rules i have

thats like INTERVIEW:
"you like it here ?"
"well i cant say no or i get fined right?"
...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 20 2013 20:00 GMT
#255
On December 21 2013 04:58 Happygreek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:52 Survivor61316 wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.

I'm pretty sure what they mean by the wording of that rule is that you must play as one race for an entire series, but can then switch races for your next series (match). Generally, a match refers to the overall BoX, whereas a game refers to each map played.


I interpret match as a single game and a set as in a best of three is a set of matches. Basically the way it's used in tennis. Definitely should be clarified if there's this much confusion.


I'm pretty sure "match" is interpreted as whatever amount of maps (sets) that make up a BoX. For example, a player may have a 65% win rate but a 72% match win rate, meaning that he wins 65% of the maps he plays but 72% of the matches (Best of X-series) that said player participates in.
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
December 20 2013 20:00 GMT
#256
On December 21 2013 04:58 Happygreek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:52 Survivor61316 wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.

I'm pretty sure what they mean by the wording of that rule is that you must play as one race for an entire series, but can then switch races for your next series (match). Generally, a match refers to the overall BoX, whereas a game refers to each map played.


I interpret match as a single game and a set as in a best of three is a set of matches. Basically the way it's used in tennis. Definitely should be clarified if there's this much confusion.


no need, cause no one ever switches races, at least never between the single maps ^^ and they even not do in a season so its pretty useless isnt it ?
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 20 2013 20:05 GMT
#257
On December 21 2013 05:00 Drake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:58 Happygreek wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:52 Survivor61316 wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.

I'm pretty sure what they mean by the wording of that rule is that you must play as one race for an entire series, but can then switch races for your next series (match). Generally, a match refers to the overall BoX, whereas a game refers to each map played.


I interpret match as a single game and a set as in a best of three is a set of matches. Basically the way it's used in tennis. Definitely should be clarified if there's this much confusion.


no need, cause no one ever switches races, at least never between the single maps ^^ and they even not do in a season so its pretty useless isnt it ?


Oh it happens, though rarely. I think Tilea did it in WCS AM.
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Happygreek
Profile Joined April 2012
United States220 Posts
December 20 2013 20:06 GMT
#258
On December 21 2013 05:00 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:58 Happygreek wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:52 Survivor61316 wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On December 20 2013 23:36 MajOr wrote:
I. Players may switch races after each match. < retarded

That rule is never going to be used and in case it is used it will be amazing and absolutely reward skill. Being able to play multiple races in a single series nothing to look down upon or to obstruct with a ruleset.

I'm pretty sure what they mean by the wording of that rule is that you must play as one race for an entire series, but can then switch races for your next series (match). Generally, a match refers to the overall BoX, whereas a game refers to each map played.


I interpret match as a single game and a set as in a best of three is a set of matches. Basically the way it's used in tennis. Definitely should be clarified if there's this much confusion.


I'm pretty sure "match" is interpreted as whatever amount of maps (sets) that make up a BoX. For example, a player may have a 65% win rate but a 72% match win rate, meaning that he wins 65% of the maps he plays but 72% of the matches (Best of X-series) that said player participates in.


Then I've had it backwards for quite a while now. This explains my occasional confusion over some of the stats I've seen during tournaments. Thanks for clearing that up.
Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
December 20 2013 20:06 GMT
#259
So glad Blizzard promotes esports and takes out one of the best parts of sports in general, trash talk. I propose in lieu of being unable to chat, players must be logged in to a vent/raidcall/ts3 channel with their opponent so that trash talk can be had between opponents without the public knowing. Or place them in the same soundproof booth. I'm not sure how many people would be surprised by the amount of trash talk that goes on in other professional sports, the only difference is the little stuff that actually gives people an edge is never captured by the cameras, only the big stuff that blows up and easily visible is seen.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 20 2013 20:07 GMT
#260
Ridiculous rules, as usual when a centralized organization attempts to tell others what is appropriate and what isnt.
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