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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
I don't like the fact that you're content watching everyone argue while you ask a few questions here and there from the sidelines. The apathy is strong with you. Care to jump into the action? What are your thoughts on the Rayn/Koshi situation? Who do you think is our best lynch for Day 2? | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On August 24 2013 15:34 FirmTofu wrote: I can see that happening, but I still don't think it's as likely as Koshi being idiot town. We can look into a Koshi lynch if rayn doesn't get shot tonight. I'm not totally against lynching him. I dont want to lynch him, if you think it is most likely he is town why would you be okmwith his lynch. While I believe rayne is town also, how koshi made his check makes me believe he is SAM, so it is much more important to shoot rayne because he has nothing to say he isnt scum while koshi does and we cant just leave a red check. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
@Onegu: When you say "town" do you mean SAM, or a VT who is decidedly not SAM? I'd agree that random VTs would never claim SAM, because that's 100% nonsensical. There's absolutely no reason for it. Given the situation this game, where Koshi claimed before everyone else in the thread posted, do you think it's more likely that he is scum? @FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game. | ||
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Crazometer
Australia45 Posts
Regardless of that I still don't really get the line you are trying to push. If someone counterclaims then we know something is rotten between 1 of 2 people (cop doesnt have to check either of them, bodyguard probably shouldn't protect either of them). In the case of no counterclaim you become a 'semi-safe' townie. If as scum you claim then there is a town counterclaim you are in for a bad time. As for drawing attention to yourself, that didn't seem to make any impact this thread. To be adventurous let's investigate an alternate reality -No SAM claim -Rayn and Koshi return same What does Koshi now do? Start pushing a case against Rayn with no evidence? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 24 2013 15:47 Onegu wrote: I dont want to lynch him, if you think it is most likely he is town why would you be okmwith his lynch. While I believe rayne is town also, how koshi made his check makes me believe he is SAM, so it is much more important to shoot rayne because he has nothing to say he isnt scum while koshi does and we cant just leave a red check. I was null on koshi, not most likely town. I agree that rayn should be shot, but in the event that he isn't shot, who is your top lynch target? | ||
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Crazometer
Australia45 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 24 2013 15:48 mkfuba07 wrote: @FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game. So you're saying Koshi is probably town? I'm only saying that Koshi is equally likely to be scum or town. I don't think people understand where I stand on the issue. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On August 24 2013 15:48 mkfuba07 wrote: @Crazometer: What happened to your suspicions of geript? Current thoughts on johnny? @Onegu: When you say "town" do you mean SAM, or a VT who is decidedly not SAM? I'd agree that random VTs would never claim SAM, because that's 100% nonsensical. There's absolutely no reason for it. Given the situation this game, where Koshi claimed before everyone else in the thread posted, do you think it's more likely that he is scum? @FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game. Yes sorry I mean vt | ||
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Crazometer
Australia45 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On August 24 2013 15:47 FirmTofu wrote: @mkfuba I don't like the fact that you're content watching everyone argue while you ask a few questions here and there from the sidelines. The apathy is strong with you. Care to jump into the action? What are your thoughts on the Rayn/Koshi situation? Who do you think is our best lynch for Day 2? My thoughts on the rayn/koshi situation are that anyone saying rayn is definitely scum is suspicious. Especially when they emphasize the red check more than actual evidence. I generally agree with Oats (I believe) when he said that scum rarely so diehard-ly push for a mislynch. As for Koshi, I've had him set as town shortly after he claimed SAM. It really makes no sense for him to have claimed it at that time as scum. They would have needed to be really sure there was no SAM in the game, as well as have strong fears of Koshi being checked that night (otherwise the only impact would be to draw attention to himself). It's all too much risk for too little reward. As far as day 2 lynches are concerned, I'm not sure. I imagine I'll have some idea around 4 hours from now. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On August 23 2013 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Another thing I realized while looking through his massive fucking filter---he never ONCE considers the town perspective of anything I do. He immediately and ALWAYS fits everything I say and do into his 'WoS is scum' theories. This is shit play for town, and I truly and honestly believe that Rayn is purposefully tunneling me into oblivion because he believes that everyone will assume he is crazy and no scum would ever tunnel that hard. Again the BH example in CCM proves that completely untrue. This is the one possibility that's really bothering me. I've seen plenty of townies blindly pursue their 100% scumreads only to have them flip town, but I'm afraid of the possibility that it was all an act. However, while rayn's vote ended up on WoS at the end of the day, he did give his input on plenty of players, as well as behave exactly as I would have expected him to if he really strongly believed WoS was scum. Pretty sure I'm sticking with town rayn. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
i think so. you know town is in a bad place when kush is the nk | ||
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Crazometer
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FirmTofu
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