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On August 20 2013 03:28 JJH777 wrote:
People saying Jim should be banned are ridiculous. It's not his fault he didn't get a visa. As for the whole walkover thing that is just because the tournament organizers are idiots. There should be a rule that says when a player forfeits that (if they can't get a replacement of course that should be the first thing they try) the group becomes a 3 person round robin format group. It is still slightly easier for the players in that group but not as much as it currently is and it doesn't favor any single person in the group.
What is the talk about walkovers? It's been said hundred times already, that alive will replace Jim.
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On August 20 2013 03:30 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 03:28 JJH777 wrote:
People saying Jim should be banned are ridiculous. It's not his fault he didn't get a visa. As for the whole walkover thing that is just because the tournament organizers are idiots. There should be a rule that says when a player forfeits that (if they can't get a replacement of course that should be the first thing they try) the group becomes a 3 person round robin format group. It is still slightly easier for the players in that group but not as much as it currently is and it doesn't favor any single person in the group. What is the talk about walkovers? It's been said hundred times already, that alive will replace Jim.
Reading is not something people do on TL.
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I just realized that everything said in this thread means absolutely nothing to Blizzard... They could really care less
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On August 20 2013 02:41 ArcadeR wrote:
Comments should be deactivated for some News...some comments are just ridiculous, and some more are just plain stupid.
PS: Visa are not for free, Visa are not gifted to you whenever you want them, Visa are not "ezpz" obtained with filling out a bunch of formulas, you can do everything right and still not get it (at all or in time). Face it. Story done.
These comments are. I wonder how many commentators have actually gotten a visa at any point in their life.
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TBH I was surprised to find out Jim wasn't 18 but you know who shouldn't have been? All the WCS partners. Hopefully the Jim and Violet situations will help Blizzard and all the WCS partners figure out a system to lower the risk of this happening in the future.
GL to Alive in Cologne. Hopefully Jim can attending the next one 
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On August 20 2013 00:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 00:20 stratmatt wrote:
Apparently a lot of TLers think its ok that the same players not only keep taking up tournament spots in the NA region, but continue to forfeit their tournament spots due to a lack of planning. Its not 'punishment' to suspend someone for a season due to forfeiting, its enforcing the intergrity of the tournament. No, its mostly them objecting to punishing 17 year old kid for making an honest mistake when coming abroad. He does not have the assistance of an EG, TL or Kespa team to deal with these matters for him. You seem to think that punishment would somehow make Jim better or avoid these issues in the future, which is not the case. Blizzard and WCS have no control over the different visa requirements in each region or how they change based on any number of reasons. Punishing players for failing to be approved for a Visa will only harm the player and will not encourage the integrity you think it will.
No, but he is on iG, a team which has significant resources
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On August 20 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
I just realized that everything said in this thread means absolutely nothing to Blizzard... They could really care less
so incredibly dumb.
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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
Balls of Steel, and Heart of stone.. What's rude is rude, but makes us find in our own.. 
Seriously though.. Your point of view is a mature one, and personally admire it,
The attitude that you later give in explanation below makes the reactions and the replies you usually get.. It represents it as if it not be as founded on a firm judgement, but rather as a reaction of disapointment and/or anger of global disorganisation or sth..
Nevertheless - this post definitely changed the usual flow of the article.. At least I for sure didn't expect it.., and - Made us just THINK instead of actually MOAN.. 
GJ.. Sir.. Guess you're right though..
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No, I mean, I highly doubt Blizzard will actaully listen to that Strattmat guy and suspend Jim
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On August 20 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
I just realized that everything said in this thread means absolutely nothing to Blizzard... They could really care less
They do care, but their ability to change the rules put in place by the German government are pretty limited.
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On August 20 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 03:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 20 2013 03:28 JJH777 wrote:
People saying Jim should be banned are ridiculous. It's not his fault he didn't get a visa. As for the whole walkover thing that is just because the tournament organizers are idiots. There should be a rule that says when a player forfeits that (if they can't get a replacement of course that should be the first thing they try) the group becomes a 3 person round robin format group. It is still slightly easier for the players in that group but not as much as it currently is and it doesn't favor any single person in the group. What is the talk about walkovers? It's been said hundred times already, that alive will replace Jim. Reading is not something people do on TL.
TLDR. I hope Scarlett gets the walkover.
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On August 20 2013 03:46 rshawer wrote:
No, I mean, I highly doubt Blizzard will actaully listen to that Strattmat guy and suspend Jim
oh, fair enough.
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On August 20 2013 03:46 rshawer wrote:
No, I mean, I highly doubt Blizzard will actaully listen to that Strattmat guy and suspend Jim
You should be clearer in the future. You got painted in with the people claiming this is Blizzard's fault.
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Sad news that he can't attend. I was hoping that since they had an appointment, that they would've known what they needed and it wouldn't be too bad :/ GL to aLive and hopefully Jim has better luck next time! Must be rough to get to the finals only to miss them due to visa issues ><
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On August 20 2013 03:43 Eventine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 02:41 ArcadeR wrote:
Comments should be deactivated for some News...some comments are just ridiculous, and some more are just plain stupid.
PS: Visa are not for free, Visa are not gifted to you whenever you want them, Visa are not "ezpz" obtained with filling out a bunch of formulas, you can do everything right and still not get it (at all or in time). Face it. Story done. These comments are. I wonder how many commentators have actually gotten a visa at any point in their life.
I am 100% certain that all the casters at last year's Battle.net World Championships in Shanghai were on tourist visas and were either A) Paid under the table in Shanghai (illegal) or B) Paid after they went home (which is technically ok).
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On August 20 2013 02:44 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 02:13 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Why is it so hard for Chinese people to get visas? Is it cause other countries think they are more likely to stay there illegally than, say, Koreans or people from other countries? This is, unfortunately, partially the case.
Yeah, just recently there was a piece in the news about the police in Spain and France busting a Chinese trafficking ring
Chinese Human Trafficking Ring Busted in Spain and France
That being said, I have traveled a lot in my line of work, and the worst place to get a visa for in my experience was Sudan, so I would strongly recommend Blizzard, or anyone else for that matter, not to organize an international even there. 
I think it has been clear to absolutely everyone involved that this season's final will take place in Germany for a long time. Thus there is no excuse for not knowing exactly what paperwork needs to be done for a visa application. That is called doing one's homework, and this apparently wasn't done. Visa applications can get rejected nevertheless, but that is a different story.
However, if players find it difficult to process a visa application due to short time between online and offline parts of the tournament they are participating in, then it can be argued that the organizer of the event is to blame rather than the player. I don't know how long it takes for a Chinese to get a visa application processed for EU / USA, but this should be something for planners for next years WSC to take into consideration when they make the schedule. So maybe both organizers and participants should learn from this season. I don't doubt for one minute that everyone has tried very hard to solve this and earlier visa issues, but these last minutes fixes simply don't work out all the time.
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On August 20 2013 00:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 00:32 EkiMGnaW wrote:
How long does it take to get a visa? Is 12 days enough time?
Maybe they (the players, managers, etc.) can apply for a visa to Country X before they know whether or not they need the visa. If the player makes the cut, the visa is ready to go. If the player doesn't make the cut, don't go. Are there negative consequences if a visa isn't used? All right, we are doing this again. Normally, you cannot apply for a visa if you think you “might” need it. You need to apply for a visa if you have confirmed plans to travel to that area and you need to be able to back up those plans. This does not apply to US “waiver visas” between the US and a select group of nations. But for the rest of the world, you normally need to tell them where you are going and provide proof that you are going there. Visas are a pain in the ass to get normally.
In that case, when does Blizzard announce the venue/location/country for the season finals? It seems like some visa issues might be solved if teams/players/managers are given enough time to plan for the trip. In short, if getting a visa only takes 3 days total, then the 12 day layoff should be sufficient because this seems like a time/planning issue.
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On August 20 2013 04:00 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 02:44 scintilliaSD wrote:On August 20 2013 02:13 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Why is it so hard for Chinese people to get visas? Is it cause other countries think they are more likely to stay there illegally than, say, Koreans or people from other countries? This is, unfortunately, partially the case. Yeah, just recently there was a piece in the news about the police in Spain and France busting a Chinese trafficking ring Chinese Human Trafficking Ring Busted in Spain and France That being said, I have traveled a lot in my line of work, and the worst place to get a visa for in my experience was Sudan, so I would strongly recommend Blizzard, or anyone else for that matter, not to organize an international even there. I think it has been clear to absolutely everyone involved that this season's final will take place in Germany for a long time. Thus there is no excuse for not knowing exactly what paperwork needs to be done for a visa application. That is called doing one's homework, and this apparently wasn't done. Visa applications can get rejected nevertheless, but that is a different story. However, if players find it difficult to process a visa application due to short time between online and offline parts of the tournament they are participating in, then it can be argued that the organizer of the event is to blame rather than the player. I don't know how long it takes for a Chinese to get a visa application processed for EU / USA, but this should be something for planners for next years WSC to take into consideration when they make the schedule. So maybe both organizers and participants should learn from this season. I don't doubt for one minute that everyone has tried very hard to solve this and earlier visa issues, but these last minutes fixes simply don't work out all the time.
Shouldn't the player then try to make the visa in advance? I mean, yeah sure they cost a lot of money, but you really cannot expect blizzard to accomodate everybody and if you expect blizzard to accomodate somebody in advance (the dates where set probably long before Jim's participation in the finals was clear), where do you draw the line?
Moreover, I would like to add that the time would have been sufficient, had they prepared the necessary documents beforehand.
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On August 20 2013 04:07 EkiMGnaW wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 00:36 Plansix wrote:On August 20 2013 00:32 EkiMGnaW wrote:
How long does it take to get a visa? Is 12 days enough time?
Maybe they (the players, managers, etc.) can apply for a visa to Country X before they know whether or not they need the visa. If the player makes the cut, the visa is ready to go. If the player doesn't make the cut, don't go. Are there negative consequences if a visa isn't used? All right, we are doing this again. Normally, you cannot apply for a visa if you think you “might” need it. You need to apply for a visa if you have confirmed plans to travel to that area and you need to be able to back up those plans. This does not apply to US “waiver visas” between the US and a select group of nations. But for the rest of the world, you normally need to tell them where you are going and provide proof that you are going there. Visas are a pain in the ass to get normally. In that case, when does Blizzard announce the venue/location/country for the season finals? It seems like some visa issues might be solved if teams/players/managers are given enough time to plan for the trip. In short, if getting a visa only takes 3 days total, then the 12 day layoff should be sufficient because this seems like a time/planning issue.
they are known for quite some time now. It's been Korea, this season is Germany, next is Canada, right?
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On August 20 2013 04:09 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 04:00 BaneRiders wrote:On August 20 2013 02:44 scintilliaSD wrote:On August 20 2013 02:13 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Why is it so hard for Chinese people to get visas? Is it cause other countries think they are more likely to stay there illegally than, say, Koreans or people from other countries? This is, unfortunately, partially the case. Yeah, just recently there was a piece in the news about the police in Spain and France busting a Chinese trafficking ring Chinese Human Trafficking Ring Busted in Spain and France That being said, I have traveled a lot in my line of work, and the worst place to get a visa for in my experience was Sudan, so I would strongly recommend Blizzard, or anyone else for that matter, not to organize an international even there. I think it has been clear to absolutely everyone involved that this season's final will take place in Germany for a long time. Thus there is no excuse for not knowing exactly what paperwork needs to be done for a visa application. That is called doing one's homework, and this apparently wasn't done. Visa applications can get rejected nevertheless, but that is a different story. However, if players find it difficult to process a visa application due to short time between online and offline parts of the tournament they are participating in, then it can be argued that the organizer of the event is to blame rather than the player. I don't know how long it takes for a Chinese to get a visa application processed for EU / USA, but this should be something for planners for next years WSC to take into consideration when they make the schedule. So maybe both organizers and participants should learn from this season. I don't doubt for one minute that everyone has tried very hard to solve this and earlier visa issues, but these last minutes fixes simply don't work out all the time. Shouldn't the player then try to make the visa in advance? I mean, yeah sure they cost a lot of money, but you really cannot expect blizzard to accomodate everybody and if you expect blizzard to accomodate somebody in advance (the dates where set probably long before Jim's participation in the finals was clear), where do you draw the line? Moreover, I would like to add that the time would have been sufficient, had they prepared the necessary documents beforehand.
Yes, these are things they should all do if they can afford to do them. Also, folks should pay parking tickets on time, work out a least 4-5 times per week, study for school and always call their mother at least once a week.
Of course those things should have been done, but one thing was over looked. It was a mistake, done in error.
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