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Jim unable to Attend Season 2 finals, visa issues - Page 9

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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 20:14 GMT
#161
On August 20 2013 05:13 ramask2 wrote:
At this rate, Blizzard might as well just buy a cruise ship, sail to pick up each players in their home country, then host the damn final offshore in international waters.

Better yet: BattleCruiser!
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
August 19 2013 20:34 GMT
#162
We just need to have Jim defect to the US or Canada.
"You must enemy don't know, and very good micro" - Bosstoss #Wet4Ret
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
August 19 2013 20:46 GMT
#163
Ah man, the bureaucracy mess of communism. You have to go back to the original place of residency to obtain official documents (visa, passport, etc..). Here in America, dun matter what state you were born in, you can apply for those docs anywhere.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
August 19 2013 20:54 GMT
#164
Eesh, the response from TL is so childish. People and their mighty thrones with their illadvised intentions.
Develop some common sense, I beg of you.


Sad to see this news. I know we'll see a lot more Jim in the future though. Makes sense to send aLive through, even though he's not someone that I root for, still can't disagree with that.
With eSports growing and learning in all parts of the world, these problems will lessen over time.

viOLet's issue is different though. He competed over and over after performing illegal actions that would 100% bar him from getting a visa. That's different from being unable to get a visa due to long and complicated processes that have never even been seen before by any SC2 player.
Sure you could still blame Jim, or you could grow up and say shit happens. He's not in a bad place here.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
KarlSiegt
Profile Joined December 2011
Italy35 Posts
August 19 2013 20:59 GMT
#165
Damn.
Italia
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 19 2013 21:01 GMT
#166
On August 20 2013 05:46 Sky101 wrote:
Ah man, the bureaucracy mess of communism. You have to go back to the original place of residency to obtain official documents (visa, passport, etc..). Here in America, dun matter what state you were born in, you can apply for those docs anywhere.


Please tell me more about your great system and on how we can apply it on a population over four times its size in which 99,9% of its population can be covered with just 150 family names.

/s
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 19 2013 21:02 GMT
#167
On August 20 2013 05:46 Sky101 wrote:
Ah man, the bureaucracy mess of communism. You have to go back to the original place of residency to obtain official documents (visa, passport, etc..). Here in America, dun matter what state you were born in, you can apply for those docs anywhere.


Please tell me more about your great system and on how we can apply it on a population over four times its size in which 99,9% of its population can be covered with just 150 family names.

/s

Not trying to defend the chinese government, but the bueaucratic system which is currently in place might have more reasons than just the political system.
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
August 19 2013 21:03 GMT
#168
On August 20 2013 06:01 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 05:46 Sky101 wrote:
Ah man, the bureaucracy mess of communism. You have to go back to the original place of residency to obtain official documents (visa, passport, etc..). Here in America, dun matter what state you were born in, you can apply for those docs anywhere.


Please tell me more about your great system and on how we can apply it on a population over four times its size in which 99,9% of its population can be covered with just 150 family names.

/s

Have you ever been to any communist country outside of China?
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 19 2013 21:04 GMT
#169
On August 20 2013 05:54 Shinta) wrote:
Eesh, the response from TL is so childish. People and their mighty thrones with their illadvised intentions.
Develop some common sense, I beg of you.


Sad to see this news. I know we'll see a lot more Jim in the future though. Makes sense to send aLive through, even though he's not someone that I root for, still can't disagree with that.
With eSports growing and learning in all parts of the world, these problems will lessen over time.

viOLet's issue is different though. He competed over and over after performing illegal actions that would 100% bar him from getting a visa. That's different from being unable to get a visa due to long and complicated processes that have never even been seen before by any SC2 player.
Sure you could still blame Jim, or you could grow up and say shit happens. He's not in a bad place here.

what did violet do? i only found this.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423939
shmget
Profile Joined April 2013
118 Posts
August 19 2013 21:05 GMT
#170
On August 20 2013 05:46 Sky101 wrote:
Ah man, the bureaucracy mess of communism. You have to go back to the original place of residency to obtain official documents (visa, passport, etc..). Here in America, dun matter what state you were born in, you can apply for those docs anywhere.


In the US, if for some reason your finger-prints card is not 'good enough' (and _they_ take theses, and you cannot make your fingerprints more 'readable' than they are), then they make you get an affidavit from the police station each and every place you lived in the last 5 years indicating that you did not commit any felony or serious misdemeanor ... yeah that is so much more streamlined.... and that is just _one_ example. and no, it is not a US specialty either... _every_ bureaucracies in the world are like that.... the only variation is how much money and/or connections does it take to bypass the red-tape.


Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2013 21:06 GMT
#171
On August 20 2013 06:01 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 05:46 Sky101 wrote:
Ah man, the bureaucracy mess of communism. You have to go back to the original place of residency to obtain official documents (visa, passport, etc..). Here in America, dun matter what state you were born in, you can apply for those docs anywhere.


Please tell me more about your great system and on how we can apply it on a population over four times its size in which 99,9% of its population can be covered with just 150 family names.

/s

Well the document needed to be notarized and confirmed and confirmed to have been signed by his mother. So we just handled that by having a system to create notaries in each town. Its really not a super complicated system. In my state you need 10 names and go take a couple of classes. Then after that, you get sworn in and you get a sweet stamp and seal. Mine is pretty awesome.
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
August 19 2013 21:16 GMT
#172
On August 20 2013 06:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 05:54 Shinta) wrote:
Eesh, the response from TL is so childish. People and their mighty thrones with their illadvised intentions.
Develop some common sense, I beg of you.


Sad to see this news. I know we'll see a lot more Jim in the future though. Makes sense to send aLive through, even though he's not someone that I root for, still can't disagree with that.
With eSports growing and learning in all parts of the world, these problems will lessen over time.

viOLet's issue is different though. He competed over and over after performing illegal actions that would 100% bar him from getting a visa. That's different from being unable to get a visa due to long and complicated processes that have never even been seen before by any SC2 player.
Sure you could still blame Jim, or you could grow up and say shit happens. He's not in a bad place here.

what did violet do? i only found this.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423939

Violet simply overstayed his initial visa's duration, to the best of my knowledge. Unless he gets married to an American, he can't come back here.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
SidewinderSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United States236 Posts
August 19 2013 21:27 GMT
#173
On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.


Then maybe those players should beat the Korean/Chinese players in fair competition instead of defaulting into the finals simply because of where they are from. Those players are "missing out" because they aren't as good. That's how competition works.

Besides, most of the time when somebody cannot attend an event, they get replaced by the next-in-line anyway. Your post reeks of racism or some pointless loyalty to exclusive competition simply due to where people were born. The best players should be able to play in the best events. I don't want to see some mediocre NA pro get hammered by a Korean only because he was born in the US or Canada. I want to see only Koreans if they are the best players. If other regions can't keep up then they need to practice more and get better, rather than expecting a tournament format to default them into the main event.

Blizzard needs to seek visas the same way that Riot did. If they want their product to be a legit, long-term industry then they should be finding ways to get their top-flight competitors around the world without issue. It is a bit disappointing that Blizzard hasn't even expressed any concern over the constant visa issues surrounding their game's tournaments.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
August 19 2013 21:34 GMT
#174
Well, hopefully blizzard can find a way to allow for more time for players to get visas
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Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
August 19 2013 21:53 GMT
#175
I hope they give Jim his $5000 and 500 WCS Points for 16th place...
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
August 19 2013 21:53 GMT
#176
The bullocks is all this bull shit bashing the Chinese? Bureaucratic loopholes and inconveniences happen everywhere, often created by a ruling political ideology that the vast majority of the population do not agree with, take no part in creating, nor wish to be a part of yet are forced to abide by. No country is different from any other in this respect, all that differs is the degree of maturity and efficiency of governance and ruling ideology. Form an educated opinion with evidence instead of taking every chance to insult people from a loose geopolitical association that you don't like.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
August 19 2013 22:03 GMT
#177
On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.

Until they'll stop being bad compared to them.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
August 19 2013 22:04 GMT
#178
On August 20 2013 06:53 Iodem wrote:
I hope they give Jim his $5000 and 500 WCS Points for 16th place...

Yes they will.


No matter the outcome, Jim will still receive all WCS Points and prize money he earned from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the League Finals. It’s also important to note that Jim will retain his Premier League placement and seeding as we head in to WCS America Season 3.
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
August 19 2013 22:23 GMT
#179
On August 20 2013 07:04 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 06:53 Iodem wrote:
I hope they give Jim his $5000 and 500 WCS Points for 16th place...

Yes they will.

Show nested quote +

No matter the outcome, Jim will still receive all WCS Points and prize money he earned from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the League Finals. It’s also important to note that Jim will retain his Premier League placement and seeding as we head in to WCS America Season 3.

Any idea where this will put him with his WCS points? Will he qualify for this year's BWC?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
August 19 2013 22:41 GMT
#180
hey, at least it's not the US cockblocking the Chinese players this time.

Still sucks for them Chinese passports.
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