EPTYes, EG is so brilliant they can cause a player to have visa issues and not go. This was put in place so early that they even pushed out Violet before he could make the whole thing a non-problem by beating both Jim and Alive.
Jim unable to Attend Season 2 finals, visa issues - Page 11
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
Yes, EG is so brilliant they can cause a player to have visa issues and not go. This was put in place so early that they even pushed out Violet before he could make the whole thing a non-problem by beating both Jim and Alive. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On August 20 2013 09:06 thirtyapm wrote: LAN is BS I demand online tournament!! anyway, that was obviously a stupid idea. the right thing to do is to fly the eventual wcs winner to china and play jim. then the loser gives the winner his/her passport. wait that wouldn't work either. there's just no solution to this!! Lawl, Fast and Furious style, underground SC2 games for birth certificates? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
but I guess according to the people in this thread it's his fault for playing NA instead of signing up for that WCS China region | ||
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bxc
35 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:57 JustPassingBy wrote: Possible solution imo: Alive gets to attend the event (all travel expenses are sponsored by blizzard anyways) and gets all the WCS points plus prize money minus 5000$. Then a 5000$ showmatch series involving Alive and Jim. I would have said "fairest solution", but then I realized that it is kind of his own fault / the fault of his manager that he is stuck in China... <.< Alive and Jim already played, and Jim won over Alive. Also, Alive has the potential to earn more than $5000 if he goes further. And to all those against Jim, how is being from China and following Blizzard's rules and international policies the fault of Jim? If anything, Jim is essentially being mislead and is the victim as a competitor. Blizzard should account for the travel process when planning tournaments. In most cases, these travel issues are not the fault of the player, and instead moreso the responsibility of the company managing events. However, Blizzard is taking the same approach with their tournament design and management as they do in their game design--beta testing and working things out as they happen. Unfortunately, the competitors and eSports scene can potentially have setbacks as a result, like any other trouble-shooting process. I've done business trips, and it's absolutely absurd when given a short amount of time to prepare everything (unless you have enough money and can also bribe officials). Imagine this analogy, and note the exaggeration with a one day time frame, but it helps drive the point: As a competitor, you win a tournament (online qualifiers), and then have to fly halfway around the world the next day to the follow-up tournament (WCS NA). After the follow-up tournament, you have to fly the next day to another country for the finals (WCS Finals). Assuming you do win each tournament, given the short amount of time between tournaments, you have to buy absurdly expensive plane tickets, plan transportation and accommodations for each tournament with zero awareness or assurance for each subsequent trip, and also work within international travel policies. Or you can spend significant money upfront and lose at the start of the first tournament and have wasted thousands of dollars, and also have tried to obtain documentation when there is zero assurance that you will get the documentation when other people applying for VISA's have 100% certainty of using it for their work. Handling global tournaments via this approach is expensive, inefficient, and prone to frequent error. From a business perspective, Blizzard should realize this and instead better plan and forecast these potential roadblocks and incidents. | ||
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bxc
35 Posts
On August 20 2013 09:33 negativedge wrote: damn, this just straight up cost Jim a minimum of $5000 but I guess according to the people in this thread it's his fault for playing NA instead of signing up for that WCS China region It doesn't even matter if there is a WCS China, because he'd have had the same issue to travel to Germany when winning WCS China. Unfortunately, Blizzard needs to plan this tournament series better. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On August 20 2013 09:35 bxc wrote: It doesn't even matter if there is a WCS China, because he'd have had the same issue to travel to Germany when winning WCS China. Unfortunately, Blizzard needs to plan this tournament series better. The issue was ESL/Blizzard/whatever powers that be chose to have the finals hosted at gamescom, meaning they had no ability to alter what dates the finals were held. It was locked in at 2 weeks after the finals, which clearly isn't enough time for Chinese players to get visas. | ||
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bxc
35 Posts
On August 20 2013 09:45 Iodem wrote: The issue was ESL/Blizzard/whatever powers that be chose to have the finals hosted at gamescom, meaning they had no ability to alter what dates the finals were held. It was locked in at 2 weeks after the finals, which clearly isn't enough time for Chinese players to get visas. Exactly my point.... | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
Guess I should read more of the thread than just your two posts on this page. That said I don't see how blizzard's going to make sure they don't have this same issue if Jim/Macsed qualify for the season finals and have to switch out their USA visas for Canadian visas unless they put a bigger time gap for the finals. This time they had 2 weeks to get ready for the S2 finals in Germany, and that wasn't enough. I don't know if blizzard would really want to wait out 3 weeks or more between the regional season finals and global season finals. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:23 mikumegurine wrote: i thought Blizzard would have given Jim the $5000 and WCS points for being 16th in the Season Finals but they taking that away from Jim and giving it to Alive? You know what? Maybe it would have been even better for Jim to never tell Blizzard about the VISA issues then when the tournament starts, Jim simply doesnt show up to play then wouldnt Jim just be DQ'd, but be in 16th place and get the $5000, and WCS points for being in 16th place? in the last news from blizzard they said when jim will get dq he will get points and money what the fuck your talking why ? you can read online how long normaly an visa needs for germany, so if you know you cant get a visa AFTEr the finals, just get a visa for jim and masced before the usa finals and if they win they can go, otherwise 2 visa for free are not the world ... or just let them go there anyways is a nice trip xD | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On August 20 2013 09:52 Iodem wrote: Guess I should read more of the thread than just your two posts on this page. That said I don't see how blizzard's going to make sure they don't have this same issue if Jim/Macsed qualify for the season finals and have to switch out their USA visas for Canadian visas unless they put a bigger time gap for the finals. This time they had 2 weeks to get ready for the S2 finals in Germany, and that wasn't enough. I don't know if blizzard would really want to wait out 3 weeks or more between the regional season finals and global season finals. Well my understanding of the situation is that Macsed would have had no problem getting his visa as the main issue was that Jim is under 18. Unless I've misunderstood the events that have occured | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 20 2013 10:00 chipmonklord17 wrote: Well my understanding of the situation is that Macsed would have had no problem getting his visa as the main issue was that Jim is under 18. Unless I've misunderstood the events that have occured seems like they forget that he needs some stuff from parents written | ||
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bxc
35 Posts
On August 20 2013 09:52 Iodem wrote: Guess I should read more of the thread than just your two posts on this page. That said I don't see how blizzard's going to make sure they don't have this same issue if Jim/Macsed qualify for the season finals and have to switch out their USA visas for Canadian visas unless they put a bigger time gap for the finals. This time they had 2 weeks to get ready for the S2 finals in Germany, and that wasn't enough. I don't know if blizzard would really want to wait out 3 weeks or more between the regional season finals and global season finals. I think I understand Blizzard's approach in relation to your point--Blizzard would rather do the final at Gamescom since it'll be less expensive for them piggybacking off of a location, but more difficult for the competitors who qualified. Why carry the expenses when you can do what you're currently doing by putting the responsibility on the player to be able to attend, and just replacing them? Smart business move. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
I hope all these issues are sorted out for next years wcs. | ||
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bxc
35 Posts
On August 20 2013 10:02 Drake wrote: seems like they forget that he needs some stuff from parents written It sounded like getting the documentation was region-locked. I know China follows a hukou system for residency, and I'm not sure if this would be a result or similar to it. EDIT: I re-read Edison's post, and yes, it is the hukou system. This has been a hot debate in China for a while. | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On August 20 2013 10:00 Drake wrote: in the last news from blizzard they said when jim will get dq he will get points and money what the fuck your talking why ? you can read online how long normaly an visa needs for germany, so if you know you cant get a visa AFTEr the finals, just get a visa for jim and masced before the usa finals and if they win they can go, otherwise 2 visa for free are not the world ... or just let them go there anyways is a nice trip xD They said he will get League final WCS America money and points, where do they say he will get Season Final money of $5000 + Season Final WCS points? Blizzard: No matter the outcome, Jim will still receive all WCS Points and prize money he earned from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the League Finals. It’s also important to note that Jim will retain his Premier League placement and seeding as we head in to WCS America Season 3. Jim originally earned a seat at the WCS Season 2 Finals by achieving fifth place at the WCS America Season 2 League Finals, | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 10:04 bxc wrote: I think I understand Blizzard's approach in relation to your point--Blizzard would rather do the final at Gamescom since it'll be less expensive for them piggybacking off of a location, but more difficult for the competitors who qualified. Why carry the expenses when you can do what you're currently doing by putting the responsibility on the player to be able to attend, and just replacing them? Smart business move. Its not Blizzards fault that one player was unable to get a notarized letter from his mother that he needed to get a visa. This final was always going to be held in Germany. Why? Because ESL is there and they get the season 2 finals and the season 3 finals is in NA. One per region. I know you want to blame Blizzard, but its really not their fault. They told people this was happening back in April when they announced WCS. 14 other players will be able to attend without issue. Just because one can't go, we don't need to get out the anti-Blizzard pitchforks. | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On August 20 2013 10:23 Plansix wrote: Its not Blizzards fault that one player was unable to get a notarized letter from his mother that he needed to get a visa. This final was always going to be held in Germany. Why? Because ESL is there and they get the season 2 finals and the season 3 finals is in NA. One per region. I know you want to blame Blizzard, but its really not their fault. They told people this was happening back in April when they announced WCS. 14 other players will be able to attend without issue. Just because one can't go, we don't need to get out the anti-Blizzard pitchforks. They could atleast give him the $5000, and World Season Final WCS points that he deserves instead of taking it away from Jim and giving the money and WCS points to Alive (who wasnt good enough to be there) Funny how if Jim didn't tell Blizzard about the VISA Issues, Jim would actually get the $5000 and Season Final WCS points he would just be DQ'd at the tournament, and get 16th place at Season Finals instead, he told Blizzard, and now Blizzard takes away Jim's money and points and gives them to Alive | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
Heres the thing, I don't know how much faster blizzard could have run the tournament considering there was WCS going on basically everyday and before this everyone wanted them to move finals forward 1 week because of TI. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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