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Jim unable to Attend Season 2 finals, visa issues - Page 10

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jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
August 19 2013 22:54 GMT
#181
This sucks, i hope in the future things like this don't happen.
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
August 19 2013 23:01 GMT
#182
am disgusted by some comments in this thread >.>

sad to hear about jim, sadly though i think this will continue to happen unless there is some sort of pro active action taken by the heads of kespa/blizzard to try ease the system a bit for travelling players.. though i cant comment on how things are done im quite ignorant of visa protocol.
Forever ZeNEX.
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 23:05:27
August 19 2013 23:04 GMT
#183
This is fucking awful. This is a big loss to WCS and esports. I hope Blizzard is paying attention.
ilovesharkpeople
Profile Joined June 2013
United States53 Posts
August 19 2013 23:06 GMT
#184
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
bxc
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
August 19 2013 23:09 GMT
#185
On August 20 2013 07:04 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 06:53 Iodem wrote:
I hope they give Jim his $5000 and 500 WCS Points for 16th place...

Yes they will.

Show nested quote +

No matter the outcome, Jim will still receive all WCS Points and prize money he earned from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the League Finals. It’s also important to note that Jim will retain his Premier League placement and seeding as we head in to WCS America Season 3.


Per the statement, Jim will not get $5000 and 500 WCS points--he is receiving everything from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the [Premier] League Finals. The statement is not referring to the WCS Season 2 Finals. So Jim is hosed, unless Blizzard updates/clarifies/corrects their statement.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
August 19 2013 23:11 GMT
#186
On August 20 2013 08:09 bxc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 07:04 KingAlphard wrote:
On August 20 2013 06:53 Iodem wrote:
I hope they give Jim his $5000 and 500 WCS Points for 16th place...

Yes they will.


No matter the outcome, Jim will still receive all WCS Points and prize money he earned from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the League Finals. It’s also important to note that Jim will retain his Premier League placement and seeding as we head in to WCS America Season 3.


Per the statement, Jim will not get $5000 and 500 WCS points--he is receiving everything from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the [Premier] League Finals. The statement is not referring to the WCS Season 2 Finals. So Jim is hosed, unless Blizzard updates/clarifies/corrects their statement.

This is correct. "League Finals" refers to the Premier League Finals, not the Season 2 Finals.

See: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/who-will-win-the-wcs-league-finals
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
August 19 2013 23:17 GMT
#187
lol so Jim doesnt even get Season final money and WCS points (for being 16th place in the season finals) ?

basically Alive (who wasnt good enough to qualify), gets to take Jim's spot, his money, and his WCS points?

bxc
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
August 19 2013 23:19 GMT
#188
Also, there's no point in banning people and region locking--this approach would be a poor solution for resolving this issue. If anything, having walkovers as a result of VISA issues is more of a root cause issue with Blizzard than the players' themselves (with the exception of Violet for violating his stay). If Blizzard wants this to be a global "sport", they need to think better globally and account for these difficulties when creating/managing tournaments. However, I'm not sure if they're thinking about it logistically, and instead just running and gunning with the hopes that things will be ok.
bxc
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
August 19 2013 23:22 GMT
#189
On August 20 2013 08:17 mikumegurine wrote:
lol so Jim doesnt even get Season final money and WCS points (for being 16th place in the season finals) ?

basically Alive (who wasnt good enough to qualify), gets to take Jim's spot, his money, and his WCS points?


Correct. Jim got hosed.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
August 19 2013 23:23 GMT
#190
i thought Blizzard would have given Jim the $5000 and WCS points for being 16th in the Season Finals

but they taking that away from Jim and giving it to Alive?

You know what? Maybe it would have been even better for Jim to never tell Blizzard about the VISA issues

then when the tournament starts, Jim simply doesnt show up to play

then wouldnt Jim just be DQ'd, but be in 16th place and get the $5000, and WCS points for being in 16th place?
nickbradvica
Profile Joined June 2010
United States20 Posts
August 19 2013 23:28 GMT
#191
It is really frustrating that there are so many visa issues.
"I tech straight to ultras"
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
August 19 2013 23:47 GMT
#192
On August 20 2013 08:23 mikumegurine wrote:
i thought Blizzard would have given Jim the $5000 and WCS points for being 16th in the Season Finals

but they taking that away from Jim and giving it to Alive?

You know what? Maybe it would have been even better for Jim to never tell Blizzard about the VISA issues

then when the tournament starts, Jim simply doesnt show up to play

then wouldnt Jim just be DQ'd, but be in 16th place and get the $5000, and WCS points for being in 16th place?

Catch your breath and hold your outrage until you're sure what's going on with Jim.
EkiMGnaW
Profile Joined March 2011
United States45 Posts
August 19 2013 23:54 GMT
#193
On August 20 2013 04:12 Big J wrote:
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On August 20 2013 04:07 EkiMGnaW wrote:
On August 20 2013 00:36 Plansix wrote:
On August 20 2013 00:32 EkiMGnaW wrote:
How long does it take to get a visa? Is 12 days enough time?

Maybe they (the players, managers, etc.) can apply for a visa to Country X before they know whether or not they need the visa. If the player makes the cut, the visa is ready to go. If the player doesn't make the cut, don't go. Are there negative consequences if a visa isn't used?

All right, we are doing this again. Normally, you cannot apply for a visa if you think you “might” need it. You need to apply for a visa if you have confirmed plans to travel to that area and you need to be able to back up those plans. This does not apply to US “waiver visas” between the US and a select group of nations. But for the rest of the world, you normally need to tell them where you are going and provide proof that you are going there. Visas are a pain in the ass to get normally.


In that case, when does Blizzard announce the venue/location/country for the season finals? It seems like some visa issues might be solved if teams/players/managers are given enough time to plan for the trip. In short, if getting a visa only takes 3 days total, then the 12 day layoff should be sufficient because this seems like a time/planning issue.


they are known for quite some time now. It's been Korea, this season is Germany, next is Canada, right?


Logistics might be a minor hurtle but, assuming it is Canada, the S3 finals shouldn't have any visa issues due to time constraints since teams, players, and managers have ample time to figure out the requirements needed to obtain a Canadian visa.

On August 20 2013 04:13 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 04:07 EkiMGnaW wrote:
On August 20 2013 00:36 Plansix wrote:
On August 20 2013 00:32 EkiMGnaW wrote:
How long does it take to get a visa? Is 12 days enough time?

Maybe they (the players, managers, etc.) can apply for a visa to Country X before they know whether or not they need the visa. If the player makes the cut, the visa is ready to go. If the player doesn't make the cut, don't go. Are there negative consequences if a visa isn't used?

All right, we are doing this again. Normally, you cannot apply for a visa if you think you “might” need it. You need to apply for a visa if you have confirmed plans to travel to that area and you need to be able to back up those plans. This does not apply to US “waiver visas” between the US and a select group of nations. But for the rest of the world, you normally need to tell them where you are going and provide proof that you are going there. Visas are a pain in the ass to get normally.


In that case, when does Blizzard announce the venue/location/country for the season finals? It seems like some visa issues might be solved if teams/players/managers are given enough time to plan for the trip. In short, if getting a visa only takes 3 days total, then the 12 day layoff should be sufficient because this seems like a time/planning issue.


Actually, it´s just as easy as you describe and all people who work in organizing and partaking in these events are not as smart as you are. It´s the only logical explination for all this.

Still props to Plansix for herding the drama kittens.


Not sure if sarcasm.

I'm not trying to blame anyone or stir the drama pot in any way. I'm just curious as to why such a thing happens and what can be done to mitigate it in the future. I would hate to see visa issues becoming a mainstay in the WCS to the point where a system needs to be implemented and punishments imposed on players.

darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 23:58:32
August 19 2013 23:54 GMT
#194
Look.

I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.

It's very sad for them. They're very talented. But, they clearly have some restrictions, they need to plan around them responsibly, and not panic and get our communities spammed with news-bites at every step of the way.

Honestly, these issues are sad but they fuck everyone over. They hurt every other player who has their shit together. They hurt the organizers, who can't finish their content being certain about which names are attending. And yes, they hurt the viewer, too.

I'd prefer these VISA issues be in the shadows. They're not our fucking problem. I love Violet, but he essentially just used the online stages of WCS for cash without ever planning to attend. And poor Jim is underage, He has to drag his mom to government offices in china over and over to try and get the correct VISA (my understanding is people from china can only be granted for one country at a time?)

But their problems aren't our problems. These VISA issues should be sorted out before they even fucking enter the tournament, not at the last minute after they've already qualified. It's unprofessional and it's a huge waste of everyone's time and energy.

And you know what I just realized? None of these issues would occur if the regions were just semi-locked, IE, require residency. I got no beef with someone like Polt shipping himself over and competing, That's a damn responsible young man. But I think for the sake of logistics it's time we put an end to the "weekend warriors". For 2014 WCS, I'll be very annoyed/disappointed if we aren't forcing residency.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 19 2013 23:57 GMT
#195
On August 20 2013 08:47 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 08:23 mikumegurine wrote:
i thought Blizzard would have given Jim the $5000 and WCS points for being 16th in the Season Finals

but they taking that away from Jim and giving it to Alive?

You know what? Maybe it would have been even better for Jim to never tell Blizzard about the VISA issues

then when the tournament starts, Jim simply doesnt show up to play

then wouldnt Jim just be DQ'd, but be in 16th place and get the $5000, and WCS points for being in 16th place?

Catch your breath and hold your outrage until you're sure what's going on with Jim.


Possible solution imo: Alive gets to attend the event (all travel expenses are sponsored by blizzard anyways) and gets all the WCS points plus prize money minus 5000$. Then a 5000$ showmatch series involving Alive and Jim.

I would have said "fairest solution", but then I realized that it is kind of his own fault / the fault of his manager that he is stuck in China... <.<
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
August 19 2013 23:59 GMT
#196
On August 20 2013 08:57 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 08:47 coverpunch wrote:
On August 20 2013 08:23 mikumegurine wrote:
i thought Blizzard would have given Jim the $5000 and WCS points for being 16th in the Season Finals

but they taking that away from Jim and giving it to Alive?

You know what? Maybe it would have been even better for Jim to never tell Blizzard about the VISA issues

then when the tournament starts, Jim simply doesnt show up to play

then wouldnt Jim just be DQ'd, but be in 16th place and get the $5000, and WCS points for being in 16th place?

Catch your breath and hold your outrage until you're sure what's going on with Jim.


Possible solution imo: Alive gets to attend the event (all travel expenses are sponsored by blizzard anyways) and gets all the WCS points plus prize money minus 5000$. Then a 5000$ showmatch series involving Alive and Jim.

I would have said "fairest solution", but then I realized that it is kind of his own fault / the fault of his manager that he is stuck in China... <.<


No, Jim isn't attending, so jim shouldn't get shit. We can't give pity WCS points. All that has happened here is that he qualified, He declined attending, and so the rewards for appearing should go to the person who appears.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 00:05:57
August 19 2013 23:59 GMT
#197
On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.

I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.

[...]


(Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s

edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
August 20 2013 00:05 GMT
#198
On August 20 2013 08:17 mikumegurine wrote:

basically Alive (who wasnt good enough to qualify), gets to take Jim's spot, his money, and his WCS points?



What a heist!
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
August 20 2013 00:06 GMT
#199
LAN is BS
I demand online tournament!!
anyway, that was obviously a stupid idea.

the right thing to do is to fly the eventual wcs winner to china and play jim.
then the loser gives the winner his/her passport.
wait that wouldn't work either.

there's just no solution to this!!
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
August 20 2013 00:14 GMT
#200
On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.

I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.

[...]


(Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s

edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one.

But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest.

I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems.
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