EPTJim unable to Attend Season 2 finals, visa issues - Page 10
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
sad to hear about jim, sadly though i think this will continue to happen unless there is some sort of pro active action taken by the heads of kespa/blizzard to try ease the system a bit for travelling players.. though i cant comment on how things are done im quite ignorant of visa protocol. | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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ilovesharkpeople
United States53 Posts
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bxc
35 Posts
Per the statement, Jim will not get $5000 and 500 WCS points--he is receiving everything from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the [Premier] League Finals. The statement is not referring to the WCS Season 2 Finals. So Jim is hosed, unless Blizzard updates/clarifies/corrects their statement. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:09 bxc wrote: Per the statement, Jim will not get $5000 and 500 WCS points--he is receiving everything from his performance in WCS America thus far, including the [Premier] League Finals. The statement is not referring to the WCS Season 2 Finals. So Jim is hosed, unless Blizzard updates/clarifies/corrects their statement. This is correct. "League Finals" refers to the Premier League Finals, not the Season 2 Finals. See: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/who-will-win-the-wcs-league-finals | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
basically Alive (who wasnt good enough to qualify), gets to take Jim's spot, his money, and his WCS points? | ||
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bxc
35 Posts
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bxc
35 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:17 mikumegurine wrote: lol so Jim doesnt even get Season final money and WCS points (for being 16th place in the season finals) ? basically Alive (who wasnt good enough to qualify), gets to take Jim's spot, his money, and his WCS points? Correct. Jim got hosed. | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
but they taking that away from Jim and giving it to Alive? You know what? Maybe it would have been even better for Jim to never tell Blizzard about the VISA issues then when the tournament starts, Jim simply doesnt show up to play then wouldnt Jim just be DQ'd, but be in 16th place and get the $5000, and WCS points for being in 16th place? | ||
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nickbradvica
United States20 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:23 mikumegurine wrote: i thought Blizzard would have given Jim the $5000 and WCS points for being 16th in the Season Finals but they taking that away from Jim and giving it to Alive? You know what? Maybe it would have been even better for Jim to never tell Blizzard about the VISA issues then when the tournament starts, Jim simply doesnt show up to play then wouldnt Jim just be DQ'd, but be in 16th place and get the $5000, and WCS points for being in 16th place? Catch your breath and hold your outrage until you're sure what's going on with Jim. | ||
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EkiMGnaW
United States45 Posts
On August 20 2013 04:12 Big J wrote: they are known for quite some time now. It's been Korea, this season is Germany, next is Canada, right? Logistics might be a minor hurtle but, assuming it is Canada, the S3 finals shouldn't have any visa issues due to time constraints since teams, players, and managers have ample time to figure out the requirements needed to obtain a Canadian visa. On August 20 2013 04:13 Daswollvieh wrote: Actually, it´s just as easy as you describe and all people who work in organizing and partaking in these events are not as smart as you are. It´s the only logical explination for all this. Still props to Plansix for herding the drama kittens.  Not sure if sarcasm. I'm not trying to blame anyone or stir the drama pot in any way. I'm just curious as to why such a thing happens and what can be done to mitigate it in the future. I would hate to see visa issues becoming a mainstay in the WCS to the point where a system needs to be implemented and punishments imposed on players. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS. It's very sad for them. They're very talented. But, they clearly have some restrictions, they need to plan around them responsibly, and not panic and get our communities spammed with news-bites at every step of the way. Honestly, these issues are sad but they fuck everyone over. They hurt every other player who has their shit together. They hurt the organizers, who can't finish their content being certain about which names are attending. And yes, they hurt the viewer, too. I'd prefer these VISA issues be in the shadows. They're not our fucking problem. I love Violet, but he essentially just used the online stages of WCS for cash without ever planning to attend. And poor Jim is underage, He has to drag his mom to government offices in china over and over to try and get the correct VISA (my understanding is people from china can only be granted for one country at a time?) But their problems aren't our problems. These VISA issues should be sorted out before they even fucking enter the tournament, not at the last minute after they've already qualified. It's unprofessional and it's a huge waste of everyone's time and energy. And you know what I just realized? None of these issues would occur if the regions were just semi-locked, IE, require residency. I got no beef with someone like Polt shipping himself over and competing, That's a damn responsible young man. But I think for the sake of logistics it's time we put an end to the "weekend warriors". For 2014 WCS, I'll be very annoyed/disappointed if we aren't forcing residency. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:47 coverpunch wrote: Catch your breath and hold your outrage until you're sure what's going on with Jim. Possible solution imo: Alive gets to attend the event (all travel expenses are sponsored by blizzard anyways) and gets all the WCS points plus prize money minus 5000$. Then a 5000$ showmatch series involving Alive and Jim. I would have said "fairest solution", but then I realized that it is kind of his own fault / the fault of his manager that he is stuck in China... <.< | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:57 JustPassingBy wrote: Possible solution imo: Alive gets to attend the event (all travel expenses are sponsored by blizzard anyways) and gets all the WCS points plus prize money minus 5000$. Then a 5000$ showmatch series involving Alive and Jim. I would have said "fairest solution", but then I realized that it is kind of his own fault / the fault of his manager that he is stuck in China... <.< No, Jim isn't attending, so jim shouldn't get shit. We can't give pity WCS points. All that has happened here is that he qualified, He declined attending, and so the rewards for appearing should go to the person who appears. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote: Look. I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS. [...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:17 mikumegurine wrote: basically Alive (who wasnt good enough to qualify), gets to take Jim's spot, his money, and his WCS points? What a heist! | ||
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thirtyapm
521 Posts
I demand online tournament!! anyway, that was obviously a stupid idea. the right thing to do is to fly the eventual wcs winner to china and play jim. then the loser gives the winner his/her passport. wait that wouldn't work either. there's just no solution to this!! | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote: (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. | ||
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