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On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea.
You didn't read everything I posted in the OP. In order for someone in China or Taiwan to go to WCS KR, they would have had to go the GSL in person in order to compete. Very FEW people actually have the mony to back that, and to this day there have only been 4 Mandarin-speaking competitors that went to the GSL: Sen, Loner, XiGua, and MacSed.
Secondly, again I must stress to you that getting in to Challenger league in WCS KR requires players to be there in person, unlike WCS EU and WCS NA.
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On August 21 2013 05:47 Enders116 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. You didn't read everything I posted in the OP. In order for someone in China or Taiwan to go to WCS KR, they would have had to go the GSL in person in order to compete. Very FEW people actually have the mony to back that, and to this day there have only been 4 Mandarin-speaking competitors that went to the GSL: Sen, Loner, XiGua, and MacSed. Secondly, again I must stress to you that getting in to Challenger league in WCS KR requires players to be there in person, unlike WCS EU and WCS NA.
yes, someone pointed that out to me. i had forgotten that WCS KR was different from the other regions.
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Visas... I've heard this story before...
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Let me tell you some more.
Jim is to be 18 in October. I believe his coach only knows he is 18 in 2013, but actually 18 after his birthday in October. So his coach didn't realise this issue and thus forgot to prepare for the documents for minor applicants.
I am Chinese and once travelled to Europe. The documents for minor applicants took me about a week. First, the document had to be notarized, which took 3 work days. Then, the document had to be sent to the Foreign Affairs Office for further authorization, which took another several days. I think Jim's condition was harder than mine, as his mother had to go back to the place where he has his hukou. The schedule for Jim is so tight. Many people blamed his coach for his not preparing the documents. I believe this is part of his fault, as I mentioned at first, but the long process of preparing the documents also contribute to the problem.
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On August 21 2013 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 05:47 Enders116 wrote:On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. You didn't read everything I posted in the OP. In order for someone in China or Taiwan to go to WCS KR, they would have had to go the GSL in person in order to compete. Very FEW people actually have the mony to back that, and to this day there have only been 4 Mandarin-speaking competitors that went to the GSL: Sen, Loner, XiGua, and MacSed. Secondly, again I must stress to you that getting in to Challenger league in WCS KR requires players to be there in person, unlike WCS EU and WCS NA. yes, someone pointed that out to me. i had forgotten that WCS KR was different from the other regions.
I also wanted to note that the problem is that you have to be there in person to even get a chance to qualify. Flying there to participate in Code S games where you are already guaranteed a decent amount of money is no problem. Flying there to participate in the Code A qualifiers, where - if you manage to qualify - you are only guaranteed 350$ on the other hand... (round flight Beijing <-> Seoul is easily 500$ and that is the flight alone)
edit: also, weirdly enough, the qualifiers for the next season are part of the last season, which means that there is a long time you have to wait, between the qualifiers and code A. so you either travel there twice (for qualifiers and for code a), or you need to book a hotel for a very long time, both very expensive.
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On August 21 2013 19:12 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 05:47 Enders116 wrote:On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. You didn't read everything I posted in the OP. In order for someone in China or Taiwan to go to WCS KR, they would have had to go the GSL in person in order to compete. Very FEW people actually have the mony to back that, and to this day there have only been 4 Mandarin-speaking competitors that went to the GSL: Sen, Loner, XiGua, and MacSed. Secondly, again I must stress to you that getting in to Challenger league in WCS KR requires players to be there in person, unlike WCS EU and WCS NA. yes, someone pointed that out to me. i had forgotten that WCS KR was different from the other regions. I also wanted to note that the problem is that you have to be there in person to even get a chance to qualify. Flying there to participate in Code S games where you are already guaranteed a decent amount of money is no problem. Flying there to participate in the Code A qualifiers, where - if you manage to qualify - you are only guaranteed 350$ on the other hand... (round flight Beijing <-> Seoul is easily 500$ and that is the flight alone) edit: also, weirdly enough, the qualifiers for the next season are part of the last season, which means that there is a long time you have to wait, between the qualifiers and code A. so you either travel there twice (for qualifiers and for code a), or you need to book a hotel for a very long time, both very expensive.
It is more of the issue that Chinese players WON'T make it into Code S in Korea.
Koreans are playing at a MUCH higher level than Chinese players, to the point where most KeSPA B-teamers will dominate 99% of Chinese top players.
Opening up Korea's tournament system won't change the fact that Koreans are much much much better at Sc2 than the other regions combined.
There isn't a eSport out there that they can't dominate if it is their will.
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On August 21 2013 20:26 Cattlecruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 19:12 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 05:47 Enders116 wrote:On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. You didn't read everything I posted in the OP. In order for someone in China or Taiwan to go to WCS KR, they would have had to go the GSL in person in order to compete. Very FEW people actually have the mony to back that, and to this day there have only been 4 Mandarin-speaking competitors that went to the GSL: Sen, Loner, XiGua, and MacSed. Secondly, again I must stress to you that getting in to Challenger league in WCS KR requires players to be there in person, unlike WCS EU and WCS NA. yes, someone pointed that out to me. i had forgotten that WCS KR was different from the other regions. I also wanted to note that the problem is that you have to be there in person to even get a chance to qualify. Flying there to participate in Code S games where you are already guaranteed a decent amount of money is no problem. Flying there to participate in the Code A qualifiers, where - if you manage to qualify - you are only guaranteed 350$ on the other hand... (round flight Beijing <-> Seoul is easily 500$ and that is the flight alone) edit: also, weirdly enough, the qualifiers for the next season are part of the last season, which means that there is a long time you have to wait, between the qualifiers and code A. so you either travel there twice (for qualifiers and for code a), or you need to book a hotel for a very long time, both very expensive. It is more of the issue that Chinese players WON'T make it into Code S in Korea. Koreans are playing at a MUCH higher level than Chinese players, to the point where most KeSPA B-teamers will dominate 99% of Chinese top players. Opening up Korea's tournament system won't change the fact that Koreans are much much much better at Sc2 than the other regions combined. There isn't a eSport out there that they can't dominate if it is their will.
I doubt that (not that Chinese players won't make it into Code S, but that this is the issue of them participating in WCS NA). I'm sure that if you provide the Chinese players an accessible way to participate in WCS Korea, they will definitely at least give it a try (as moving to WCS NA proved to be a major pain in the ass).
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Just read the update and the issue about work visas, do you have to get a work visa if you're attending a tournament? Can't I go on holiday and play in a tournament while there? This is really weird and I don't get it, any immigration law experts here?
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On August 21 2013 20:33 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 20:26 Cattlecruiser wrote:On August 21 2013 19:12 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 05:47 Enders116 wrote:On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. You didn't read everything I posted in the OP. In order for someone in China or Taiwan to go to WCS KR, they would have had to go the GSL in person in order to compete. Very FEW people actually have the mony to back that, and to this day there have only been 4 Mandarin-speaking competitors that went to the GSL: Sen, Loner, XiGua, and MacSed. Secondly, again I must stress to you that getting in to Challenger league in WCS KR requires players to be there in person, unlike WCS EU and WCS NA. yes, someone pointed that out to me. i had forgotten that WCS KR was different from the other regions. I also wanted to note that the problem is that you have to be there in person to even get a chance to qualify. Flying there to participate in Code S games where you are already guaranteed a decent amount of money is no problem. Flying there to participate in the Code A qualifiers, where - if you manage to qualify - you are only guaranteed 350$ on the other hand... (round flight Beijing <-> Seoul is easily 500$ and that is the flight alone) edit: also, weirdly enough, the qualifiers for the next season are part of the last season, which means that there is a long time you have to wait, between the qualifiers and code A. so you either travel there twice (for qualifiers and for code a), or you need to book a hotel for a very long time, both very expensive. It is more of the issue that Chinese players WON'T make it into Code S in Korea. Koreans are playing at a MUCH higher level than Chinese players, to the point where most KeSPA B-teamers will dominate 99% of Chinese top players. Opening up Korea's tournament system won't change the fact that Koreans are much much much better at Sc2 than the other regions combined. There isn't a eSport out there that they can't dominate if it is their will. I doubt that (not that Chinese players won't make it into Code S, but that this is the issue of them participating in WCS NA). I'm sure that if you provide the Chinese players an accessible way to participate in WCS Korea, they will definitely at least give it a try (as moving to WCS NA proved to be a major pain in the ass).
There have been more westerners who got in to the GSL than there have been Chinese-speaking players. They obviously wouldn't go to WCS KR because going to the GSL doesn't have the same prestige that it used to. Pro gamers don't tell themselves, "Yay! I'm going to this tournament! I'm going to win first prize!" They tell themselves, "Ok, let me see if I can qualify for Code A. Focus on this point, then when I've arrived at that point, I'll focus on the next point, and the next and the next and so on." When Jinro and Idra went to the GSL it didn't cost them a spot in the WCS if they won or lost, and that is precisely the reason why we didn't see any foreigners, be them English or Chinese speaking, at WCS KR Season 1 or Season 2.
And 99% of the Chinese would not go, I think Jim wouldn't either. Just because Jim can compete with Alive, Jaedong, Revival, etc, doesn't mean he can absolutely kill LGIMMVP, MMA, CM Storm Polt, Innovation, ST_Squirtle, ST_Hurricane, and so on. Who knows? Maybe that was the whole reason why Stephano left back in February (GSL became WCS, and Stephano didn't want to risk his neck any more with a tournament where he was risking lots of money).
The only real way to compel a player to go to the GSL is to completely disassociate it with WCS Korea.
China is not Korea. Please stop making this erroneous assessment.
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On August 22 2013 00:03 Khai wrote:
Just read the update and the issue about work visas, do you have to get a work visa if you're attending a tournament? Can't I go on holiday and play in a tournament while there? This is really weird and I don't get it, any immigration law experts here?
I don't believe that you can on a tourist visa since it's 'work' and you can make money.
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you should be able to make money on tourist visas, since people gamble (and win money) on stuff while being tourists?
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Gambling isn't a great comparison, because the tourists are net overall losers vs the casino, and the casino pays tax on profits so it's in the countries interest for tourists to gamble, also would someone not need a working visa if they lost?
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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
He was replaced by alive who was next in line, no one was robbed of their place except Jim.. o.O
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