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On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia).
are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea.
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On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems.
Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright.
Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam).
On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea.
Depends on what you mean with "big".
In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen
In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely
The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries.
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I understand why they didnt give visa. Its bit strange that you apply for french visa when you are going to germany.
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On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries.
well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr.
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On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr.
Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there.
Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries.
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On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries.
i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr.
doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr.
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On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr.
Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no?
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On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no?
for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck.
edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter.
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On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck.
I am sure that would go over well with all the AM fans and players who supported the scene, since a large number of viewers are from AM. And its not like Kepsa or ESF are going to allow for online qualifiers, since that would make it easier for non-koreans to qualify.
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On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck. edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter.
I agree with the political reason, moreso with economical reasoning. What I don't agree with, is that the players in the SEA/CN region don't derserve their own WCS next time the circuit starts. I see no good reason against it tbh.
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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
More motivation to the players to get better so they don't lose to these players? Especially if some of these players have potential lag issues.
On August 19 2013 23:36 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit. Is this actually Jim's fault? Regardless, it's a pity that he had to forfeit his spot. I know the Chinese players have a pretty big following in the community. Best of luck to Alive though! he's not saying it's jim's fault There definitely needs to be a system in place for taking care of players who can't acquire visas, because it takes away opportunities from other players and makes for shitty tournament situations (walkover lottery against viOLet 2 seasons in a row). I'd prefer it be a system where they find replacements for absent players, but given the # of players someone like violet can eliminate on his way up, suspensions for multiple violations might be necessary on top of that.
If only the US Government would stop being useless, braindead cunts and recognize SC2 as a sport the same as they did for LoL. SC2 is closer to a physical sport than LoL 100x over, and LoL got recognition months ago. I've never heard of players having injuries playing LoL. The best BW player and the best WoL player were known for having wrist issues. It's a sad thing that LoL was recognized before SC2 in so many ways, but I'm done bitching about it (until the next time a SC2 player is denied a visa).
Really, this shouldn't be happening, but this is the state of the international tournament scene. Visas being denied and unavailable to the players is just such a sad way to ruin a tournament. I'd rather he get the flu to forfeit a match because at least that doesn't happen often and it more often than not wasn't within anyone's control to prevent that.
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On August 21 2013 04:10 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck. edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter. I agree with the political reason, moreso with economical reasoning. What I don't agree with, is that the players in the SEA/CN region don't derserve their own WCS next time the circuit starts. I see no good reason against it tbh.
Regions are not based on player skill, they are based on viewers and who is willing to watch. The Korea region already has that time zone covered and NA is where the viewers and money from viewers is. The players with the skill need to move to the region where the games are being played, just like all profession sports.
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On August 21 2013 04:10 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 08:54 darkscream wrote:
Look.
I'm very tired of players with VISA issues fucking with blizzard and WCS.
[...] (Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck. edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter. I agree with the political reason, moreso with economical reasoning. What I don't agree with, is that the players in the SEA/CN region don't derserve their own WCS next time the circuit starts. I see no good reason against it tbh.
easy to say when you arent writing the checks.
honestly, if sc2 is well received in china (i understand it was just recently released there) then i expect blizzard will create a new wcs for them specifically. its a good investment on their part. it will depend on how its received there though. i don't think blizzard really cares about SEA though outside of korea and china. there is no real market there to exploit.
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On August 21 2013 04:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 04:10 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:On August 20 2013 08:59 JustPassingBy wrote:
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(Excluding the current case with Jim) Yes, it is clearly their fault if they get turned down even though they provide all the necessary documents plus official papers from blizzard. /s
edit: Though I agree with a valid visa being required to qualify for the regional / season finals. The regular season (up till the finals) should leave them with enough time to apply for one. But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest. I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:23 Enders116 wrote:
Does anyone here believe that this is grounds for opening up a fourth WCS Region? My idea is that Season 1 could be covered by NeoTV in China with surplus funding by blizzard, Season 2 by TeSL (this would be HUGE in Taiwan), and Season 3 by ACL (Australia). are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck. edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter. I agree with the political reason, moreso with economical reasoning. What I don't agree with, is that the players in the SEA/CN region don't derserve their own WCS next time the circuit starts. I see no good reason against it tbh. Regions are not based on player skill, they are based on viewers and who is willing to watch. The Korea region already has that time zone covered and NA is where the viewers and money from viewers is. The players with the skill need to move to the region where the games are being played, just like all profession sports.
That is so far from my point, I find it hard to respond to it, but I will try:
With the current system players in CN/SEA are quite screwed over without any good reason. They can't realistically compete in Korea due to the nature of the offline tournament - which due to the special situation regarding tradition, importance and player quality in Korea is justified - and ever other region is not realistically close and travelling there - especially from China will often be a problem.
Whether there will be a lot of viewers for a WCS CN/SEA needs to be seen; everything about this is just speculation.
I don't get why the argument "care for the players there" does not stick, unless it is something against China from a political PoV, which has nothing to be in sports.
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On August 21 2013 04:20 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 04:13 Plansix wrote:On August 21 2013 04:10 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 20 2013 09:14 coverpunch wrote:
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But they didn't provide all the necessary documents if you read the Weibo post about the details. Jim's mom kind of screwed him over more than any other person, if we're honest.
I will say that I don't agree with region-locking but visa-checking should be instituted. Before you play in any Premier League, you should prove you have all the documentation necessary to go to the region and potentially to the season finals. It seems pretty dumb that players could qualify but then not go because of visa problems. Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright. Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam). On August 21 2013 02:33 dAPhREAk wrote:
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are any of those regions big enough to justify a fourth region? china and taiwan can just play in korea. Depends on what you mean with "big". In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck. edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter. I agree with the political reason, moreso with economical reasoning. What I don't agree with, is that the players in the SEA/CN region don't derserve their own WCS next time the circuit starts. I see no good reason against it tbh. Regions are not based on player skill, they are based on viewers and who is willing to watch. The Korea region already has that time zone covered and NA is where the viewers and money from viewers is. The players with the skill need to move to the region where the games are being played, just like all profession sports. That is so far from my point, I find it hard to respond to it, but I will try: With the current system players in CN/SEA are quite screwed over without any good reason. They can't realistically compete in Korea due to the nature of the offline tournament - which due to the special situation regarding tradition, importance and player quality in Korea is justified - and ever other region is not realistically close and travelling there - especially from China will often be a problem. Whether there will be a lot of viewers for a WCS CN/SEA needs to be seen; everything about this is just speculation. I don't get why the argument "care for the players there" does not stick, unless it is something against China from a political PoV, which has nothing to be in sports.
Yes, the tradition of making sure that Koreans have the best chance of qualifying and putting up barriers for other regions to try out in their regions. Meanwhile AM gets everyone else who could play on Korea, if the qualifiers were offline. Plus everyone from Korea that doesn’t thin they could qualify for WCS KR. And if we expect NA players to move to Korea to get better, people can move to NA to compete in WCS.
Really I just hope the whole thing is offline next year and we cut through the BS.
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On August 21 2013 04:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 04:20 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 04:13 Plansix wrote:On August 21 2013 04:10 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:
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Well, ultimately it is still Jim and his manager's responsibility to ensure that everything is alright.
Blaming his mother... that kind of reminds me of a student who blamed his failing of the exam on his broken printer, since he could not prepare properly (you were allowed to bring a sheet of paper with stuff on it to the exam).
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Depends on what you mean with "big".
In terms of having a lot of highly skilled players: well, just look how the Chinese fared in the WCS NA compared to the NA players(also in the qualifiers that they were able to participate), also there are some good players in Australia and there is Sen
In terms of having enough potential viewers: yes, definitely
The only thing that I am afraid of is that they do not have the experience of running global events and promoting it over the borders of their respective countries. well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr. Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck. edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter. I agree with the political reason, moreso with economical reasoning. What I don't agree with, is that the players in the SEA/CN region don't derserve their own WCS next time the circuit starts. I see no good reason against it tbh. Regions are not based on player skill, they are based on viewers and who is willing to watch. The Korea region already has that time zone covered and NA is where the viewers and money from viewers is. The players with the skill need to move to the region where the games are being played, just like all profession sports. That is so far from my point, I find it hard to respond to it, but I will try: With the current system players in CN/SEA are quite screwed over without any good reason. They can't realistically compete in Korea due to the nature of the offline tournament - which due to the special situation regarding tradition, importance and player quality in Korea is justified - and ever other region is not realistically close and travelling there - especially from China will often be a problem. Whether there will be a lot of viewers for a WCS CN/SEA needs to be seen; everything about this is just speculation. I don't get why the argument "care for the players there" does not stick, unless it is something against China from a political PoV, which has nothing to be in sports. Yes, the tradition of making sure that Koreans have the best chance of qualifying and putting up barriers for other regions to try out in their regions. Meanwhile AM gets everyone else who could play on Korea, if the qualifiers were offline. Plus everyone from Korea that doesn’t thin they could qualify for WCS KR. And if we expect NA players to move to Korea to get better, people can move to NA to compete in WCS. Really I just hope the whole thing is offline next year and we cut through the BS.
One solution is to have the blizzard fund GOM to re-open the GOM house for players that qualify for Code A, so Chinese and SEA players can compete there.
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On August 21 2013 04:41 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 04:29 Plansix wrote:On August 21 2013 04:20 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 04:13 Plansix wrote:On August 21 2013 04:10 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:59 grs wrote:On August 21 2013 03:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 21 2013 03:50 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2013 02:56 dAPhREAk wrote:
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well, i meant big enough to justify an entirely new WCS, including all the associated costs and headaches, when they can just participate in the WCS KR one. i don't really see the results so far justifying Blizzard splitting the prizepool four ways or creating a whole new tournament with its resultant conflicts and costs. china/taiwan/austalia (i am curious who these aussie players are) can just participate in wcs kr.
Moonglade managed to reach ro8 in the first WCS NA and has repeatedly proven that he is able to compete with the top native NA players. I also think that PiG is good enough to stand out in the national scene of any European nation, should he decide to live there. Anyways, you cannot "just participate" in WCS KR, as it is entirely offline. You need to move there and live there an extendet period of time to do so, which is a huge hassle unless you just decide to move there entirely. And moving there entirely might not be possible if you come from certain countries. i had forgotten that it was entirely offline. interesting de facto monopoly the koreans have over the wcs kr. doesnt really make sense to have another wcs region for less than a dozen decent players. plus, if you open up WCS china/taiwan/wherever, we all know what will happen -- koreans will flood it since it is so convenient travelwise. it will end up being wcs kr. Hmm...dozen decent players. Well, objectively you could close WCS AM and open up WCS China/SEA then, no? for political reasons, no. blizzard cant abandon its home country even if they do suck. edit: plus, they just set up this whole system to make america/california relevant as far as esports. it wouldnt do to move it out of america. where WCS should be held is twofold (probably more): 1. availability of players, and 2. cost of tournament. they have already incurred the latter. I agree with the political reason, moreso with economical reasoning. What I don't agree with, is that the players in the SEA/CN region don't derserve their own WCS next time the circuit starts. I see no good reason against it tbh. Regions are not based on player skill, they are based on viewers and who is willing to watch. The Korea region already has that time zone covered and NA is where the viewers and money from viewers is. The players with the skill need to move to the region where the games are being played, just like all profession sports. That is so far from my point, I find it hard to respond to it, but I will try: With the current system players in CN/SEA are quite screwed over without any good reason. They can't realistically compete in Korea due to the nature of the offline tournament - which due to the special situation regarding tradition, importance and player quality in Korea is justified - and ever other region is not realistically close and travelling there - especially from China will often be a problem. Whether there will be a lot of viewers for a WCS CN/SEA needs to be seen; everything about this is just speculation. I don't get why the argument "care for the players there" does not stick, unless it is something against China from a political PoV, which has nothing to be in sports. Yes, the tradition of making sure that Koreans have the best chance of qualifying and putting up barriers for other regions to try out in their regions. Meanwhile AM gets everyone else who could play on Korea, if the qualifiers were offline. Plus everyone from Korea that doesn’t thin they could qualify for WCS KR. And if we expect NA players to move to Korea to get better, people can move to NA to compete in WCS. Really I just hope the whole thing is offline next year and we cut through the BS. One solution is to have the blizzard fund GOM to re-open the GOM house for players that qualify for Code A, so Chinese and SEA players can compete there.
The GOM house was never really the solution to the problem. It gave people a place to stay, but not a lot of players used it due to personal conflicts. Its getting into the country, traveling abroad an living in the country while you are there. Without a sponsor, its nearly impossible.
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How can jim has visa isue :s
I thought that people who where good pr for china never had problems with their visa and stuff, like someone from the government always takes care of that. Maybe jim has done something wrong so the chinese goverment doesnt like him lol. Not sending him due to "visa problems" i find verry stupid/weird. He realy is good pr for china.
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visa issues?
this is why i use mastercard
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On August 21 2013 05:01 Rassy wrote:
How can jim has visa isue :s
I thought that people who where good pr for china never had problems with their visa and stuff, like someone from the government always takes care of that. Maybe jim has done something wrong so the chinese goverment doesnt like him lol. Not sending him due to "visa problems" i find verry stupid/weird. He realy is good pr for china.
It has nothing to do with the Chinese goverment....
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