On August 20 2013 01:12 EFBarbarossa wrote: This visa bullshit has to go! Wherever you were born it was by chance. Can't see any reason why people shouldn't be allowed to move freely. If, at all, there could be some criteria if it comes to settling down - imo: even that is unnecessary.
Sorry, but this is complete bullshit. Think of the consequences, please.
@Topic You cannot blame Jim. His spot goes to the next competitor, wheres the problem?? The tournament loosing integrity? WHAT??
The REALLY interesting thing is: So many people on TL raged against US politics, government and visa office as jims visa to USA was denied. Germany denied, too, but there is no hate and no blaming geman politics, office and government.
This is how it works...
BTW: We need a region lock AND a WCS China/SEA, but not determind by passport (nationality) but by resident. You play where you live (since at least 6 months, or so...)
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After reading it i figured Jim wasnt denied. He just didn't have all the right papers ready. And he would have to reaply the right papers in the birthplace of his mother. There was just not enough time to do it. Jim would have get the visa to Germany - ESL said they could help him get in 3-4 work days and i believe they would be capable to do it. Hell we managed to get Russian visa (invitational letter and so on) in less than 24h when one of our team players (normal sport) had to be replaced (due to injury) for a tournament. But there was not enough time to do all the paper work in China for it since Jim is still a kid and needed a parent approval.
On August 20 2013 02:07 Aunvilgod wrote: That is great for Scarlett. Alive has been rather bad lately, at least compared to what he was when he was not on EG.
Well, there are still MMA and Maru. Granted Maru's TvZ looks like Bomber's TvP(yeap, god level on 1 day, crap level on another), but still. And it's not like Scarlett has 4-1 h2h against Jim anyway :D
On August 20 2013 02:01 Mauldo wrote: This seems to me that IG has a horrendous track record of planning ahead. Didn't they fuck themselves with the American visas too?
When I was getting ready to go to Korea, I researched ahead and figured out everything I would need to get before I ever even set foot in a Korean embassy asking for a work visa. Apparently, that makes me twice the planner Jim and his coach are.
I mean, temporary work visas aren't that hard to get if you follow the rules. The coach even mentioned on weibo how ESL had a way to get the visa within 3 work days.
Waiver visas for people in the US are much easier to get than in China, so there is that. Also, a work visa is hard to get in general, but there is more build to up to getting it and you have the employer at the other end vouching for you.
I do agree that IG needs to step up its game and get ahead of these Visa problems for future events.
On August 20 2013 02:02 Savko wrote: These visa issues really hurt. It sucks to see great players like Jim and Violet unable to compete because of this. I really hope Blizzard puts in a lot of work to make these things easier for the players. Good luck to Alive in the group and good luck to Jim. I hope to see him again in the future. He showed some great games.
Violent is unable to obtain a visa because he stayed in US too long with the last one. Its his fault and he should be suspended a season for it. This is how real competition works.
On August 20 2013 02:02 Savko wrote: These visa issues really hurt. It sucks to see great players like Jim and Violet unable to compete because of this. I really hope Blizzard puts in a lot of work to make these things easier for the players. Good luck to Alive in the group and good luck to Jim. I hope to see him again in the future. He showed some great games.
Violent is unable to obtain a visa because he stayed in US too long with the last one. Its his fault and he should be suspended a season for it. This is how real competition works.
The WCS system has taken care of that. Because he started in the NA, he gets fewer points for the season. I do agree that he should be removed from NA and if he wants to play, he needs to do it in KR without WCS points.
Why is it so hard for Chinese people to get visas? Is it cause other countries think they are more likely to stay there illegally than, say, Koreans or people from other countries?
If you basically can't get visa unless you're sure to have a spot, shouldn't WCS have planned this as much as Jim did, and not have a qualifying tournament end only 11 days before the tournament starts on another continent?
Not trying to flame WCS. Just saying this isn't the same thing as Violet constantly forfeiting for the same reasons, and we shouldn't be flaming Jim just because visa issues are trendy.
This thread is so laughable! Getting a VISA in advance? Really?? First of all this is probably impossible, you need a reason, and a good one, to get a VISA, you guys are just too used to living in first world countries! Second, buying a VISA in advance is throwing (a lot of) money away, you have to be either rich or have a really good team/sponsor for this. The same for buying plane tickets in advance, the cheaper tickets are non refundable. So stop thinking everyone can spend hundreds of dollars in promises and get real! When I was Jim's age I had no money and my parents would never buy a ticket/pay VISA unless they were sure I would use it, and even if I was sure I would use it, they could simply not have the money to buy anyway...(middle class, Brazil)
tldr: the world is not made of money, if you have it, consider yourself lucky and stop suggesting people to buy things with a slight probablity of return in advance, no one in the real world makes this (real world == 99% of the population).
On August 20 2013 02:28 Alk... wrote: This thread is so laughable! Getting a VISA in advance? Really?? First of all this is probably impossible, you need a reason, and a good one, to get a VISA, you guys are just too used to living in first world countries! Second, buying a VISA in advance is throwing (a lot of) money away, you have to be either rich or have a really good team/sponsor for this. The same for buying plane tickets in advance, the cheaper tickets are non refundable. So stop thinking everyone can spend hundreds of dollars in promises and get real! When I was Jim's age I had no money and my parents would never buy a ticket/pay VISA unless they were sure I would use it, and even if I was sure I would use it, they could simply not have the money to buy anyway...(middle class, Brazil)
tldr: the world is not made of money, if you have it, consider yourself lucky and stop suggesting people to buy things with a slight probablity of return in advance, no one in the real world makes this (real world == 99% of the population).
Slight return? He gets at least $5000 just for showing up to this one!
On August 20 2013 02:28 Alk... wrote: This thread is so laughable! Getting a VISA in advance? Really?? First of all this is probably impossible, you need a reason, and a good one, to get a VISA, you guys are just too used to living in first world countries! Second, buying a VISA in advance is throwing (a lot of) money away, you have to be either rich or have a really good team/sponsor for this. The same for buying plane tickets in advance, the cheaper tickets are non refundable. So stop thinking everyone can spend hundreds of dollars in promises and get real! When I was Jim's age I had no money and my parents would never buy a ticket/pay VISA unless they were sure I would use it, and even if I was sure I would use it, they could simply not have the money to buy anyway...(middle class, Brazil)
tldr: the world is not made of money, if you have it, consider yourself lucky and stop suggesting people to buy things with a slight probablity of return in advance, no one in the real world makes this (real world == 99% of the population).
Thank you, I love you. I suspect most of these kids have never travelled outside of their own country, unless it was to a country where they never needed a visa.
On August 20 2013 02:28 Alk... wrote: This thread is so laughable! Getting a VISA in advance? Really?? First of all this is probably impossible, you need a reason, and a good one, to get a VISA, you guys are just too used to living in first world countries! Second, buying a VISA in advance is throwing (a lot of) money away, you have to be either rich or have a really good team/sponsor for this. The same for buying plane tickets in advance, the cheaper tickets are non refundable. So stop thinking everyone can spend hundreds of dollars in promises and get real! When I was Jim's age I had no money and my parents would never buy a ticket/pay VISA unless they were sure I would use it, and even if I was sure I would use it, they could simply not have the money to buy anyway...(middle class, Brazil)
tldr: the world is not made of money, if you have it, consider yourself lucky and stop suggesting people to buy things with a slight probablity of return in advance, no one in the real world makes this (real world == 99% of the population).
Slight return? He gets at least $5000 just for showing up to this one!
You didn't really think about that before you wrote it, did you? Getting tickets in advice is not the issue in this case.
Comments should be deactivated for some News...some comments are just ridiculous, and some more are just plain stupid.
PS: Visa are not for free, Visa are not gifted to you whenever you want them, Visa are not "ezpz" obtained with filling out a bunch of formulas, you can do everything right and still not get it (at all or in time). Face it. Story done.
On August 20 2013 02:28 Alk... wrote: This thread is so laughable! Getting a VISA in advance? Really?? First of all this is probably impossible, you need a reason, and a good one, to get a VISA, you guys are just too used to living in first world countries! Second, buying a VISA in advance is throwing (a lot of) money away, you have to be either rich or have a really good team/sponsor for this. The same for buying plane tickets in advance, the cheaper tickets are non refundable. So stop thinking everyone can spend hundreds of dollars in promises and get real! When I was Jim's age I had no money and my parents would never buy a ticket/pay VISA unless they were sure I would use it, and even if I was sure I would use it, they could simply not have the money to buy anyway...(middle class, Brazil)
tldr: the world is not made of money, if you have it, consider yourself lucky and stop suggesting people to buy things with a slight probablity of return in advance, no one in the real world makes this (real world == 99% of the population).
Thank you, I love you. I suspect most of these kids have never travelled outside of their own country, unless it was to a country where they never needed a visa.
I'm with you, bro.
I've been to seven different countries in my life, going to my 8th on Friday, and 2 of them were not of the first world sort.
On August 20 2013 02:13 Just_a_Moth wrote: Why is it so hard for Chinese people to get visas? Is it cause other countries think they are more likely to stay there illegally than, say, Koreans or people from other countries?
On August 20 2013 02:28 Alk... wrote: This thread is so laughable! Getting a VISA in advance? Really?? First of all this is probably impossible, you need a reason, and a good one, to get a VISA, you guys are just too used to living in first world countries! Second, buying a VISA in advance is throwing (a lot of) money away, you have to be either rich or have a really good team/sponsor for this. The same for buying plane tickets in advance, the cheaper tickets are non refundable. So stop thinking everyone can spend hundreds of dollars in promises and get real! When I was Jim's age I had no money and my parents would never buy a ticket/pay VISA unless they were sure I would use it, and even if I was sure I would use it, they could simply not have the money to buy anyway...(middle class, Brazil)
tldr: the world is not made of money, if you have it, consider yourself lucky and stop suggesting people to buy things with a slight probablity of return in advance, no one in the real world makes this (real world == 99% of the population).
Slight return? He gets at least $5000 just for showing up to this one!
Would you gamble $200 dollars, before going to WCS AM Finals, in the chance that you would get top 5 and have a return of $5000? Just IM.MVP and Inno would do that! LOL
They just need to increase time between regionals finals and season final. Think like this, if Jim had got top 5 in Korea, he would still not be able to get his VISA with such a tight schedule. I'm not a fan of the guy, but blaming him, IN THIS EXACT CASE, it is just wrong!
People saying Jim should be banned are ridiculous. It's not his fault he didn't get a visa. As for the whole walkover thing that is just because the tournament organizers are idiots. There should be a rule that says when a player forfeits that (if they can't get a replacement of course that should be the first thing they try) the group becomes a 3 person round robin format group. It is still slightly easier for the players in that group but not as much as it currently is and it doesn't favor any single person in the group.
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