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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On June 25 2013 11:45 Adam4167 wrote: Even if you do this in your town games, why did you feel the need to vote me after I called you on it? cause its funny? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
God you make no damn sense. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:38 Hapahauli wrote: blaaaargh and then adam brings up a good point The one thing that's been on the back of my mind this game about Oats, is that he's definetely throwing around his suspicions a lot and acting "paranoid", but he's pushing his suspicions in such a different way than town games I've seen him do in the past. For example, when he thought I was scum in his last town game (I Swear), he went against all thread sentiment and was hurling suspicion at me, screaming that I was scum and that he wanted me to get lynched. Similarly in Red Team's Prize, he did the same to a town-leader Palmar. Hurled shit at him against all town sentiment and was completely uncompromising about it. This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him. Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of this fever pitch foaming-mouth Oats. I don't think I'll get anything useful out of trying to figure out what his last-remaining-scum behavior is like given the sample size of his general behavior but you're right about some of these posts feeling really different. Then he goes and does his classical town format post which he's banging out at top speed so I think it's authentic: On June 25 2013 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Because closed setup. Gk martyred. I rather kill adam cause I think he has a higher chance of being scum. He scumclaimed MORE.  So do you have exact questions? Oats, you need to relax for a second. Read GK's post, shit I'll even do it myself. Cross out the martyring stuff and look at his thoughts regarding the game that have nothing to do with him wanting to die. On June 25 2013 09:53 goodkarma wrote: Kinda a pain, as that means between Hapa, Oats, Adam, Shao, you need to determine one you absolutely believe to be townie in determining the last scum. Sadly, I would say Adam is someone I like more than the other three right now. Picked Yamato because he thinks similarly to me as town, and I saw that type of mentality here. Voting on the DP wagon also put him on the list of "very likely town," so made him the best candidate in my mind. Obvious I also considered, given the mislynch push on him by flipped scum put him at near confirmed town. Ange actually didn't come to mind at the time. She had "internet troubles" for a good deal of the day, and my biggest concern as JK was to find a likely town I felt would 1) likely be able to carrry town to victory, and 2) would be a likely candidate to get shot by scum. Yamato fit best in my mind. And any arguements like "Ange was obvious JK choice," are making pants-on-head retarded arguements. It's super-easy to say shit like that in retrospect post-flip. Be sure to not have some built-in bias and reassess the game anew after my flip. Like that really is a big piece of this is build in bias. Sure I haven't done oodles of stuff in finding scum, but quite frankly, several people are just as guilty of me in this category. So what it comes down to is you don't like my writing style, or don't like that I'm not perma-inthread, or don't like I don't ask a shitload of pointless questions, or so on... What questions I've asked I've clarified, and what cases I've made I've clarified. I really don't care to retread anything I've done to date. Those leading this wagon (Shao and Hapa), to the extent of my knowledge, have both EXCLUSIVELY played with me when I've been scum, so I imagine they have bias there as well. They keep trying to match up what I've done as scum, and have not tried worth fucking shit to see if I would be capable of doing that as town. In other words, they're making piss-poor meta arguements. Sure you could say this guy has "objectively scummy" play or whatever, but honestly, some of the case points I've seen recently are absolute crap. Like "your posts are long": THAT's HOW I FUCKING WRITE. "Your roleclaim is convenient": This is a point made with the complete bias of looking in retrospect at how people flipped. "Maybe you should change your day one playstyle": I could go into great depth as to how that wouldn't change anything (I've tried numerous different things actually), and how this is more about how I write and process information than anything. Seriously, is this post even necessary if he's the last scum? As Hapa brought up, GK literally just quit mafia right in front of us, within the game? Arguably not the best place to do it but seriously, why would he as mafia write a huge ass exit post, resign to his fate, and still contribute in some way to reads and helping the town on the way out? If he's not going to come back then he flips eventually anyway and we'll find out for sure when that happens but at least don't completely disregard that this is meaningful thought about the game when he could literally just plain check out. As a martyr in previous games as well as reading some others I've seen lots of arguments used to lynch martyrs, policy, pity, lack of alternative. I've never seen anything like this before. Yes, it's premeditated. He knew he was fed up with his situation, he crafted this and he posted it. He didn't spam or shit up the thread with his anger; it was neat an concise and delivered some final thoughts that aren't out of left field. On June 25 2013 11:27 Hapahauli wrote: Can you link me that post by DP btw? But also, I can't really see scum-GK being this... emotionally manipulative, you know? If Oats can show how DP tried to help further the town agenda in his quit post then I will accept his stance on GK being scum. As far as a response to you about Oats... well, I still haven't invoked that policy lynch yet, so there's that. He's completely disregarding his image for his push(es), he's not buddying ANYONE or trying to mirror thread sentiment. I don't feel like he's actively trying to change his playstyle or anything, this feels like genuine townie fanaticism from him. Some of this off the hinges stuff just... makes me consider that I should doubt my read, and then he comes back down to his baseline. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 25 2013 12:13 Oatsmaster wrote: I looked through LVII, didnt see a quit post. Neither did I, nor do I think DP and GK are similar enough players to where the existence of such a post actually matters. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Lynnnch. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On June 25 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: lynch Adam hapa. Lynnnch. Go ahead. You'll be exposed for what you are after I die. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I have a project for the both of you - can you go over Shiao's behavior and give me a more definitive opinion on him? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On June 25 2013 12:44 Adam4167 wrote: Go ahead. You'll be exposed for what you are after I die. i like how you think ill die if you flip town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On June 21 2013 14:41 ShiaoPi wrote: why is yamato so pro at looking scummy as shit regardless of what alignment he is? anyone tell me? Or am I remembering wrong? This quote stands out for me because it assumes that yamato is town. looking scummy as shit as scum is normal. I dont really know how to explain it but yeah. I feel that shiao pi thinks yamato is town in this statement. Next is his vote on GK. Basically his case on me is trash and it feels a lot like the last game. The thing is, I dont think this is all that similar to GK's play in I SWEAR, so it seems to me that shiao is making up shit to get on a bandwagon. So far not looking fantastic for shiao. He also never says why GK's case is bad other than that Im a spammy inconsistent player and to not make a case on me??. so thats basically day 1. Day 2 however he starts to look a lot better. Even though GK is under a lot of pressure, shiao doesnt go full on scum on GK, he points out certain things that can make him town. For me, I think it shows that he is trying to figure out the game, rather than just pushing the GK lynch that doesnt really make him look suspicious. Also he goes back and looks at sloosh and OO, 2 dudes that are town if GK is town. Which shows that he is still trying to help town after he gets lynched and GK possibly flips town. and then hapa. This either could him trying to get off the GK mislynch, but I dont think so. Its really early in the day and it makes more sense to actually get GK lynched if shiao is scum. then he gets really angry that GK claims JK and fucks off. I Think this is a genuine townie reaction to a scummy post. Like its all in and emotional. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
His interactions with Rayn and his posting on D2. Rayn shoots down ShiaoPi's case against GK, pretty handily dismisses it because it is poorly applied meta: On June 22 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: . My problem is that you are voting for GK based on meta, because he once made a bad case against someone as scum. Guess what? Townies make bad cases too, especially early on in the game. I am not saying i think GK is town, but you seem to be so sure he is scum because of this meta you are describing, especially when you are under attack from some people now. If you are going to make a meta case at least get your facts straight. Look at Les Mafia, look at GK's case on me and tell me that the case GK made can only come from a scum!GK. I don't think this is scum v scum talk. If it were, shutting down his case effectively forces him to go and jump on another bandwagon, increasing the chances he's going to draw attention to himself. Why would you bother? this case may have taken off, it almost did. GK almost died D1. On D2, ShiaoPi comes in less confident in his read on GK: On June 24 2013 14:31 ShiaoPi wrote: Ok I am caught up now. But mostly just skimmed the thread.Will be doing some rereading/filterdiving next. let me just post this on GK right now, since it looks like most of you want to lynch either him or me. On Goodkarma: I am really really torn on him right now. On Day 1 I was pretty sure that he was scum. Currently not so much anymore, there are still posts, which make me go, well that's scumGK, but there is also stuff that makes me want to think him town. First off on the sucm tally we got his entire scumhunting effort. I don't remember playing a game with him where he was town, but I kept hearing from several people in I swear and here that he needs time to get started but is then a good townplayer in his own right. I just do not see it here. His cases have been pretty fucking trash. But posts like these: Also exist. They are pretty townie (even if wrong on me) on the mentality side of the game. Because largely based on elimination I also ended up with only him left, if we just go with face value of how things went down so far. Ergo if we do not assume some crazy plays with bussing on d1 for no reason etc. Having said this I am perfectly fine to trade with GK, so just lynch me first to get my town flip and then go kill him. Just wanted to post this before I go rereading Even so far as to say he uses a townie mentality. Put yourself in his position here. There's probably two other viable lynches today other than himself. GK and Me. Oats hes already called town previously. I don't think scum are going to come back into the thread, call their main tunnel all game probably town, then look at the next obvious target (me) and say that he's giving off town vibes. It just doesn't leave you any options. He freely admits that this doesn't leave him any solid targets, agreeing with my 'being lostness'. What is his endgame with this strategy if he's scum? He's just going to call everyone town and hope they forget about him? We're all probably getting lynched at some point, its just a matter of what order, as GK has pointed out. His willingness to reexamine Sloosh and OO is townie thoroughness/paranoia after he concludes i'm possibly town and he doesn't like any of the options in this group. As was his paranoia towards hapa. I think what happened here was both GK and ShiaoPi came into this game with their previous scum adventures fresh on their minds, and got a case of confirmation bias on each other and went tunneling. I did the exact same thing with Cyber_Cheese in Mafia L after our first scum game. I do not think he is scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
that means nothing. hapa where did you go? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
you scumslipped there a bit I think | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
##unvote ##vote oatsmaster | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Like super interested. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
##vote oatsmaster | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
I will let hapa point it out for you when he gets back. Try not to get scum all over me in the meantime. | ||
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