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kushm4sta
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VisceraEyes
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 Ace's totally standard fliptimes are bullshit. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On May 15 2013 10:28 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote bh On May 15 2013 10:30 kushm4sta wrote: im not even kidding. I think this is how BH plays scum. Okay so yeah. I'm green on Kush right now. Unless he worked really hard to set up a shit load of retro-spective "townslips", idk that's far more advanced than I'm willing to think about right now. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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We are not lynching WoS because? | ||
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ObviousOne
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kushm4sta
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On May 19 2013 19:37 Oatsmaster wrote: kkkkkk We are not lynching WoS because? usually a bad play to lynch town. @VE dude you just start screaming in all caps out of no where. Usually a push comes after a case but there wasn't one. I hope you aren't wasting your time writing an epically misguided case on me right now... @PRPLHZ WHAT WAS THE LIE | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On May 19 2013 19:44 kushm4sta wrote: usually a bad play to lynch town. @VE dude you just start screaming in all caps out of no where. Usually a push comes after a case but there wasn't one. I hope you aren't wasting your time writing an epically misguided case on me right now... @PRPLHZ WHAT WAS THE LIE So who is scum kush? | ||
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ObviousOne
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On May 19 2013 09:18 slOosh wrote: Hey Prom, sick pre-flip association reads. You go AWOL last night, blame BH that he calls you out on it but then proceed to blame me for being late for day 1 lynch? You call me desperate scum that went for a gambit on mylo, even though as scum I would know the KP formula and be able to do basic math? You say I chainsaw defend BH even though the person pushing BH was VE and I didn't attack him, nor you in any way whatsoever? Q: If HiroPro was the wrong lynch, why didn't Prome say anything about it? A: He is scum that parked his vote somewhere else to avoid any responsibility, and now is trying to pin the blame of the flip based on the result, not on the analysis / justifications / reasoning. GG. Your desire for a perfect game was your downfall. Temporary green read for now (as in you are #3 scummy person on the hiro wagon to me), but very interesting analysis. Does it hold up? It sort of jives with what I was talking about RE: Prome acting not so much like his town self, which ofc isn't 100% accurate but it's something to note and part of the angle. Add this to my post from before and it looks like it could be quite the credible scum read. Distanced from main lynch wagons (BH wagon took off AFTER he left), but he DID vote for mafia. Is there a credible mafia motive to voting for BH before disappearing? I stated in the thread I believed that WoS was more likely to flip mafia than BH. Did that factor into this? Simplest explanation is that Prome believed his case, and his case applies to BH in every game, so BH must be scum in every game, QED the case was wrong, the vote was right. On May 18 2013 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay well this is horseshit and isn't worth bucking the Hiro wagon over. I don't care what your read of Kush is, basing your read of prplhz off your "Hey kush is NULL bitch!" feels does nothing to sway me off Hiro. Keep in mind that adding a new wagon now is a suspicious move regardless of your target anyway - we nolynched after a N0 start with NKs...we're fucking screwed if we nolynch again imo, and that's what this looks like to me. Redeem thyself in mine eyes...or I swear to God I'll scream in this thread until every Hiro voter is on YOU instead. @OO If you want to limit scum between WoS and BH, I'd say BH more likely to flip scum than WoS. This is epic level bad right here and BH isn't bad like this. He's bad in other ways, but.....not like this. Tell me why you think WoS is a better target. Not sure if I answered this VE. I tried like hell to get WoS to commit to a read on you before you showed back up and he wouldn't budge. I didn't even want his vote, I just wanted his read, but he made his movie excuse and left and I was pretty much alone with myself for a little while with a tissue box about it. BH largely ignored everything I wrote too, and I wanted to kill both of them eventually if they were going to continue with that. Like look how WoS was just here, saw that he's got some town credit from BH railing on him for N0/D1 and we're potentially going to ignore him as potential mafia here, so he's not provided anything to us just checked in with the game. I fucking HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT. I get that people are busy, but where's the fresh news? NO THOUGHTS OTHER THAN FUCK YEAH HE WAS RIGHT. Dear WoS, Please give us reads. Please don't make us beg, WoS. Okay, I'm begging. Please give us reads. You know, when you get around to it after the excitement wears off. Love, OO On May 18 2013 08:50 Promethelax wrote: I like the bh lynch. Why? Because he is scum. Last minute switch? I think so. ##unvote ##vote: blazinghand Meta read based on bh being an insufferable ass when scum. I'm out of the thread until after deadline. Make this happen. Pretty sure he was pretty much an insufferable ass in LX as well, at least from memory. Maybe slightly less hostile, but definitely ego/aggression was there, as well as the bullheadedness. An interesting (sole) reason. Also a good move for future vote analysis should the game go on but that may also be taking things to a higher level than I need to be thinking about today. VOTE LIST IN REVIEW Hiro Voters - Voted/stayed: SNB, Prp, sloosh, Kush, grush, VE, WoS + Show Spoiler [my ponts on Prplhz] + On May 19 2013 15:59 ObviousOne wrote: Prplhz On May 18 2013 07:26 Blazinghand wrote: GOD how are all of you SO BLIND. It's like hideously glaringly obvious that prplhz is double scum. It's like i'm the only town player and you're all scum and just fucking with me On May 18 2013 05:53 Blazinghand wrote: i like how you think that anything but voting prplhz wos or OO is a legit thing today 1 mafia 2 town? Standard right? Possibly. Need to think on this, it's possible the entire list was town but there's also the fact that Prplhz still has a 2 page filter on D3. Votes Vayne, leaves. Votes Hiro, leaves. Yeah I can see this being the case. It's not the voting that is scummy, it's how it's done here. Doesn't end up being able to be around to further discuss, as long as he maintains his schedule of appearances there is no way to know whether or not he is or is not available for the last few hours of day cycles. We get two days to discuss who we want to lynch, and he always parks his vote and leaves so it cannot be changed. This increases the chance for no-lynch and mislynch and he literally has an out with "Sorry I wasn't able to be around to change it" which, yes is understandable, no does not change the fact that he could be voting/discussing for the previous 24 hours of the day period and is barely here for that. On May 17 2013 13:21 prplhz wrote: I don't like lynching VisceraEyes at all. VE started the game with a town read on Prplhz, I'm inclined to think Prplhz wanted to keep him as an ally, especially when VE was interested in lynching Vayne and potentially OO + Show Spoiler [points against SNB] + On May 15 2013 18:00 ObviousOne wrote: Earlier in the game I posted that I had some suspicion on SNB for lack of scum hunting. He ended up tunneling Oatsmaster a lot. I still think this is a scumslip: On May 15 2013 06:47 strongandbig wrote: I'm kinda down to lynch OO after that stunt Still rather lynch scum though. Killing oats FTW! His points against Oats: On May 14 2013 07:13 strongandbig wrote: -for oats wanting to kill people with anti town attitudes (i see nothing wrong with oats' opinion on this) -for oats claiming his vote was stolen (he's not hiding information from town, why expose there was a vote steal if his mafia teammate has it?) -for oats using flavor (role name given to player) to determine scumslips (okay that's crazy by oats, but crazy is not alignment indicative for oats lol, and it was an amusing angle in looking at Rayn) -for helping to get a wagon on WOS started (at least spurring the town to action, intent is to get people to take sides on a wagon, progressive move) In short, I find his case/points garbage and I want other people to take a look at him to hear if they think his points are garbage. | ||
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prplhz
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On May 19 2013 19:44 kushm4sta wrote: usually a bad play to lynch town. @VE dude you just start screaming in all caps out of no where. Usually a push comes after a case but there wasn't one. I hope you aren't wasting your time writing an epically misguided case on me right now... @PRPLHZ WHAT WAS THE LIE On May 17 2013 10:49 kushm4sta wrote: But if you did get scum, you would still spam. @ObviousOne your case on me is a joke. Just gonna quote this: "1 mafia 2 town? Standard right? Possibly." You are literally saying that I am scum because I was on some arbitrary list where you think scum might or might not be found. Those are your own words. And then I am scum because I don't want to lynch ... one of your town reads. Those are literally your points. You are scrambling in panic to lynch me and I don't like that at all. I don't know what the hell is going on but kushm4sta and ObviousOne are probably scum can we just lynch kushm4sta now? | ||
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prplhz
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Where is marvellosity or yamato77 when you need them. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Any response to my case on you (consisting of 2 posts) or are those just terrible as well? ###### Also about that lie I told... I thought he had gotten scum in the past and the assumption I was making was true. The way he plays, he has to spam as scum or it's obvious he's scum right? So when WoS gets scum I trust we will find some attempt at spamming and he will actually be quite easy to catch (spamming as scum is hard). So it was not a lie. More like an assumption that I was also assuming was the truth. ##### Also are you not paying attention to thread sentiment at all? You are pushing this lynch on me like it's the only option but no one is listening to you. Yet you can't stfu about this impossible lynch. | ||
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prplhz
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On May 19 2013 05:49 kushm4sta wrote: quadruple post for mafia justice. read his filter its only 2 pages there are myriad reasons why the man is scum.. 1 robotic overuse of misapplied meta in his arguments 2 constantly talking about past games instead of this game 3 vayne tunneling him, sure he's scum. then vayne dies 4 his top scumread is hiro d1. Nothing he says ever indicates that that changes. Yet on d2 he makes this random ass out of the blue case on me to distance himself from the hiro mislynch. If you are town and your top scumread has a huge bandwagon, why wouldn't you help push that wagon instead of introducing some lynch that's never going to happen. 5 his longest post in the game is about me. If you think I'm scummy, fine, but my content was so paltry at that time that a wall of text to analyze it is going way overboard. 1 Where? and no I'm not. 2 Where? and no I'm not. 3 I simply just find it weird that you know who scum killed. Three dead on n2, how do you know why they were killed? I doubt that scum even killed them all and I have been under the impression that Vivax killed VayneAuthority and raynpelikoneet and Vivax were scum killed but for some reason you seem to know something that I don't really find very likely and now you're using it to push me. This is horrible night kill speculation just to incriminate me. 4 This is absolutely not what happened you are just making shit up. I got a stronger read on you so I voted for you but you'll notice that my vote was on HiroPro way before the lynch happened. I was concerned with getting a lynch because d1 was a no lynch and I didn't want to give scum 3 rounds of shots before we could get a single lynch off. You're right now complaining that I'm pushing you early in the day when it's not going to happen, well what do you know about what lynches are going to happen? It's the same on d2, you could have gotten lynched but people wanted to go with HiroPro and I wasn't really opposed to that and I really wanted a lynch so 6 hours before deadline when it didn't look like you were getting lynched, I switched to HiroPro. 5 Where did I write a wall of text? Your case is horrible and there isn't a single point in there that even suggests that I'm scum. Your initial case was something like "He's trying to help town" which is completely backwards. | ||
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kushm4sta
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 03:31 prplhz wrote: The last Ace game I played in was Death Factory 2 and that game was complicated as nothing I've ever tried before or since. I suggest that everybody does what Ace suggested post game: keep a file where you write down role and theme related stuff that has happened. Just about everybody in that game had three unique powers and it became a huge problem to remember who did what and when. On May 13 2013 03:48 prplhz wrote: We should just ignore DarthPunk's claim for now. Vivax it's okay that you're trolling a bit but please don't make this another Personality 2 mafia. That game was bad for all (town) parties involved and your excessive spam was big part of that. In fact everybody should consolidate because this game is going to be complicated enough with all the themed stuff going on. On May 14 2013 18:37 prplhz wrote: I read your filter. I don't have a lot of reads right now, mainly a few tentative town reads. I have a bad feeling about HiroPro, he doesn't seem to care much about this game after putting his vote down and some of his posting seems weirdly constructed. How do you feel about HiroPro? I said slOosh sucked because at the time and in the context of his performance as of then, he blew. I am sure you agree. Okay. I remember ObviousOne doing some ridiculously trolly post and then I thought "There's nothing in this thread right now that I want to participate in". Now why exactly am I scum? If you're town I don't want this to turn into a Vivax tunnel like you did marvellosity in Personality 2 because as Acrofales said after the game, scum couldn't wait for you to make another post. If you're scum then carry on. On May 14 2013 20:21 prplhz wrote: Like how he says that WaveofShadow is town because of how WaveofShadow asked chaoser about RebirthOfLeGenD. What the hell does that have to do with anything, that was completely alignment neutral and was probably just because WaveofShadow was curious. His vote on ObviousOne seems extremely confident (especially considering that it was not very long into the game) yet he does nothing to push the lynch after that. I remember that game where HiroPro was scum with Palmar and Ange777 and I figured him out because he wasn't all over the place and voting 10 different people, he was just tunneling me, don't know exactly what game that was but maybe HiroPro can remember it. He also wants to lynch shirokami who doesn't seem like scum to me. I left around 30 secs after I asked ObviousOne if he was serious. Now, for the third time, why exactly am I scum? On May 14 2013 20:21 prplhz wrote: Uh I don't remember but I am pretty sure I haven't been scum for like 5 games. I think Dwarf Fortress was my last scum game. On May 15 2013 05:52 prplhz wrote: Well I for one don't feel this WaveofShadow lynch at all. The guy is simply just way too active and the arguments against him aren't convincing at all. He also got himself into a lot of trouble last town game he played so apparently it's his thing. His defense seems pretty real. Like I said before I want to lynch HiroPro. The guy made an early poke and then he did nothing. Reminds me a lot of Rockband Mafia where I thought he was scum for the same reasons (and I was right). Then I fakeclaimed Vigilante as town while my mason buddy claimed that we were masoned. HiroPro's activity drop along with this meta read and then just a general feeling of scum when you read his post means that he's the best lynch today. ##Vote HiroPro I'm going to bed soon so if you have anything then let me know. THAT is just page 1 of your filter. All your posts but one either mention another game or is a one-liner. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Day 3 wagons With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. prplhz[L-4]: kushmasta, ObviousOne kushmasta[L-5]: prplhz Day 3 ends Tuesday, May 21 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) if no majority is reached | ||
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kushm4sta
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=126438 This is a prpl's last town game. No mention of other games or meta. It is like this for all parts of his town games I read. Now this quote is from when a scum prplhz in Drawf Fortress starts to be pressured. On August 09 2012 21:06 prplhz wrote: I don't know what to think of this, when I am busy I play like I am playing right now. I appreciate the effort but if you look at Mad Men Mafia you'll see me play lurkish too (and get lynched on day1) and I was town that game. HiroPro, why are you ignoring Mad Men Mafia? Also, how exactly do you feel that my play looks like Normal Mini Mafia II and Movie Star Mafia but not like Mad Men Mafia? | ||
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prplhz
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On May 19 2013 23:48 kushm4sta wrote: prplhz scum diaries + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 03:31 prplhz wrote: The last Ace game I played in was Death Factory 2 and that game was complicated as nothing I've ever tried before or since. I suggest that everybody does what Ace suggested post game: keep a file where you write down role and theme related stuff that has happened. Just about everybody in that game had three unique powers and it became a huge problem to remember who did what and when. On May 13 2013 03:48 prplhz wrote: We should just ignore DarthPunk's claim for now. Vivax it's okay that you're trolling a bit but please don't make this another Personality 2 mafia. That game was bad for all (town) parties involved and your excessive spam was big part of that. In fact everybody should consolidate because this game is going to be complicated enough with all the themed stuff going on. On May 14 2013 18:37 prplhz wrote: I read your filter. I don't have a lot of reads right now, mainly a few tentative town reads. I have a bad feeling about HiroPro, he doesn't seem to care much about this game after putting his vote down and some of his posting seems weirdly constructed. How do you feel about HiroPro? I said slOosh sucked because at the time and in the context of his performance as of then, he blew. I am sure you agree. Okay. I remember ObviousOne doing some ridiculously trolly post and then I thought "There's nothing in this thread right now that I want to participate in". Now why exactly am I scum? If you're town I don't want this to turn into a Vivax tunnel like you did marvellosity in Personality 2 because as Acrofales said after the game, scum couldn't wait for you to make another post. If you're scum then carry on. On May 14 2013 20:21 prplhz wrote: Like how he says that WaveofShadow is town because of how WaveofShadow asked chaoser about RebirthOfLeGenD. What the hell does that have to do with anything, that was completely alignment neutral and was probably just because WaveofShadow was curious. His vote on ObviousOne seems extremely confident (especially considering that it was not very long into the game) yet he does nothing to push the lynch after that. I remember that game where HiroPro was scum with Palmar and Ange777 and I figured him out because he wasn't all over the place and voting 10 different people, he was just tunneling me, don't know exactly what game that was but maybe HiroPro can remember it. He also wants to lynch shirokami who doesn't seem like scum to me. I left around 30 secs after I asked ObviousOne if he was serious. Now, for the third time, why exactly am I scum? On May 14 2013 20:21 prplhz wrote: Uh I don't remember but I am pretty sure I haven't been scum for like 5 games. I think Dwarf Fortress was my last scum game. On May 15 2013 05:52 prplhz wrote: Well I for one don't feel this WaveofShadow lynch at all. The guy is simply just way too active and the arguments against him aren't convincing at all. He also got himself into a lot of trouble last town game he played so apparently it's his thing. His defense seems pretty real. Like I said before I want to lynch HiroPro. The guy made an early poke and then he did nothing. Reminds me a lot of Rockband Mafia where I thought he was scum for the same reasons (and I was right). Then I fakeclaimed Vigilante as town while my mason buddy claimed that we were masoned. HiroPro's activity drop along with this meta read and then just a general feeling of scum when you read his post means that he's the best lynch today. ##Vote HiroPro I'm going to bed soon so if you have anything then let me know. THAT is just page 1 of your filter. All your posts but one either mention another game or is a one-liner. Can you state your god damn problem with my post instead of just saying that I am talking about another game and then act like that's a problem? First post was literally one of the first posts in the game. I talked about how our host himself recommended in post game of his last game that you take notes. What is your problem? Next post was also one of the first posts where I am trying to prevent that Vivax goes full Personality 2 mode because everyone in that game will agree that that was FAR FROM IDEAL. Same with third post. Why is this a problem? Ask everyone anywhere if Vivax tunneling in Personality 2 was good for town or if it was big part of what was destroying town. Fourth post, I AM LITERALLY ANSWERING A QUESTION BY SOMEONE ELSE. YOU ARE SAYING THAT I AM SCUM BECAUSE I AM ANSWERING A QUESTION SOMEONE POSED ME. You are just making a list of stuff and saying it's scummy but you never explain why it is scummy because it isn't. | ||
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