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On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
look at the time in the chat, 22:17 in Beijing Time is just 10:17 EST. The check-in started in 10:00 EST
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On April 22 2013 01:41 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes. Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know. I can provide original conversation if needed.
you should, for clarity
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On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
What an awful post.
China doesn't have it's own qualifiers, the whole WCS situation was announced only a few weeks ago, do you expect these players to just automatically have flights booked to Korea to participate out of nowhere?
These players basically needed to go in the online qualifiers without any other choice, and now they'll have to wait till the next season to even participate.
Next season had better be more accommodating, or I could imagine a lot of people just ignoring the following seasons.
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It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
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On April 22 2013 01:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 22 2013 01:21 rei wrote:Sundance, you got owned, stop lying man. The evidence in the screenshot has b.net time stamp, they wasn't late. On April 21 2013 04:22 jalen wrote:![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044034bwnzvvrb2ajlrinv.jpg) That pretty much clears that up. They showed up late, got put in the que and didn't get in. Life is hard, get a helmet and a watch. I love the people claiming that MLG shut them out for some reason, because they have something to gain from that.
Look at the time on that screenshot, they weren't late, and the admin said they are good to go. 21:50 was the check in time for them, they checked in, and waited for brackets to generate, and when the bracket generated their players didn't show up on the list, so they immediately looked for admin on b.net channel. The time from beginning of check in time to bracket generating and this screenshot took less than 20 minutes. They were not late.
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Sundance and co looking mighty dodgy yet again...
It's yet another of those old either lying or incompetent situations... Place your bets how long before we get the old we messed up speech before they carry on regardless...
My guess is they've just run the qualifier really badly and the admin didn't know what he was talking about... Lets blame blizzard for the lack of automated tournaments, and starting the trend of massively discriminating against the Chinese player base.
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On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
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On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Chinese players did get here on time, look at the time on the screenshot
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On April 22 2013 01:49 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:27 Plansix wrote:That pretty much clears that up. They showed up late, got put in the que and didn't get in. Life is hard, get a helmet and a watch. I love the people claiming that MLG shut them out for some reason, because they have something to gain from that. Look at the time on that screenshot, they weren't late, and the admin said they are good to go. 21:50 was the check in time for them, they checked in, and waited for brackets to generate, and when the bracket generated their players didn't show up on the list, so they immediately looked for admin on b.net channel. The time from beginning of check in time to bracket generating and this screenshot took less than 20 minutes. They were not late.
From my understanding the brackets for first come, first served. They were later than everyone else. This is what happens when you have an open, free qualifier than anyone with an copy of SC2 can sign up for.
Also, I don't know if that clock is based on the internal clock of the PC or the B.net clock.
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On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots.
Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
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On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
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On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ I heard that iG.Macsed made it in, but really nobody else was able to. His teammates signed up at the same time as him, and they were all in the same geographic location when they did, even in same training house I would bet.
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On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr
@Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
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On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
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China6321 Posts
On April 22 2013 01:47 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:41 digmouse wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes. Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know. I can provide original conversation if needed. you should, for clarity
Added for reference.
+ Show Spoiler +iGEdison 0:33:24
但是我问的问题是
能不能在bracket里面
懂了吗？
iGEdison 0:34:59
反正我问的是能不能在BRACKET里面
这边回复是GOOD TO GO
然后我一直在等
后来我还问怎么BRACKET里面没有
他的回复是it's not the final bracket
那你觉得换了是你，如何理解她的话的意思？
iGEdison 0:35:53
后面那段是。。
我问is it the final bracket
他回答no,it's not
然后最终对阵表出来后。。
我各种问什么情况
iGEdison 0:36:56
他丢了个hammertime的管理员给我
说他能解决我的问题
但是这个hammertime除了和我说i do apologize以外。。没有实质性的东西。。
最后我只能去找jason
可是还是因为对阵表已经出来了。。而且在打了
iGEdison 0:37:56
所以无法改变
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On April 22 2013 01:56 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:47 Waxangel wrote:On April 22 2013 01:41 digmouse wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes. Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know. I can provide original conversation if needed. you should, for clarity Added for reference.
where?
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On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
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China6321 Posts
On April 22 2013 01:57 cocls wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:56 digmouse wrote:On April 22 2013 01:47 Waxangel wrote:On April 22 2013 01:41 digmouse wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes. Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know. I can provide original conversation if needed. you should, for clarity Added for reference. where?
See my post on previous page.
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This WCS thing is sure bringing... preferences for... locals to the front stage.
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On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186Notice that this was at 22:26, so later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
They dropped the ball here, they need to make up for this somehow. like for example, Seed one of the Chinese into the next stage and fly them over for the lan event.
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