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On April 22 2013 01:57 cocls wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:56 digmouse wrote:On April 22 2013 01:47 Waxangel wrote:On April 22 2013 01:41 digmouse wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes. Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know. I can provide original conversation if needed. you should, for clarity Added for reference. where?
I think he means that is a "bookmark post". He should be posting again shortly.
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On April 22 2013 01:55 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best. This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
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On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr
@Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players. MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket. I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
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On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
It could be seen clearly from the result that some famous Chinese progamers, like Jim and others, were not seeded automatically into the brackets. And MacSed is #151, which greatly beyond the "preserved slots". So the fact is that
WCS doesn't care about non-Amercian/Korean progamers who are from SEA and CN.
How ridiculous! There are no WCS regional leaues in CN and WCS NA is the only hope (compared to the high lagacy to EU) for Chinese progamers, but the MLG just kicked them outta the brackets.
I just couldn't understand it.
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On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr
@Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players. MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket. I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
So there were favoritism involved, as unequal treatment and certain people were late and that was okay and they could join anyway? O_o
EDIT:cocls answered my question.
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Give them a seed for this fucked up and we will call it even.
and host their own mini tournament with just the chinese ppl to fight for that seed.
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On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr
@Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players. MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket. I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
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On April 22 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:55 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best. This is a response to... what? The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
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On April 22 2013 01:47 ReignSupreme. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! What an awful post. China doesn't have it's own qualifiers, the whole WCS situation was announced only a few weeks ago, do you expect these players to just automatically have flights booked to Korea to participate out of nowhere? These players basically needed to go in the online qualifiers without any other choice, and now they'll have to wait till the next season to even participate. Next season had better be more accommodating, or I could imagine a lot of people just ignoring the following seasons.
nah stop saying about people ignoring or boycotting tournament. As long as Blizzard could provide a big fat check and all the pros participate, people will be watching, I'll be watching.
Sure organizing could be better but it's not like the whole continent got fucked over or something, it's rather a very small minority (in which HotS isnt even released in their country to begin with lol). Stop nitpicking, stop hating
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On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
What happened in EU? it was open for everybody and there was no problem. Don't pity the pros, it's their job and if they lose to a diamond player in a BO1 then shame on them.
The only thing that could have happened if it was open for everyone would be upsets between NA pros and NA non-pros.
The seedings are strange, look at them: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_America/Premier
It looks like they needed protoss players so they invited Hellokitty, minigun, capoch (americans) and state this is why they didn't invite demu nor jym even tough they are better.
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By the way Sundance and mlg needs to realize by having Chinese players in this shit, they would have a lot of viewers and attnetion from China, it's just good business to include the Chinese players, this is evident that they have never thought this through in the business end of things.
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On April 22 2013 02:00 cocls wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr
@Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players. MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket. I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net. The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
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On April 22 2013 02:04 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best. This is a response to... what? The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512. We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
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On April 22 2013 02:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:04 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best. This is a response to... what? The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512. We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between? Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
Why did it have to be just one tournament?
ESL organised four, and one of them had a 1024 bracket, and the other a 2048 bracket.
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On April 22 2013 02:03 SnoLys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr
@Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players. MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket. I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net. The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that. And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
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On April 22 2013 02:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:04 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best. This is a response to... what? The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512. We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between? Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
You act like an admin needs to be hired for every Bo3.
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Why can Koreans even play in the AMERICAN section of the tournament?
I know watching sub-par level of play is not as good, but still..
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On April 22 2013 02:14 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:10 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 02:04 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best. This is a response to... what? The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512. We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between? Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage. You act like an admin needs to be hired for every Bo3.
When you're letting admitted hackers play, and ignoring everyone who says 'I just lost to maphacker' until a relevant player (Catz) gets defeated, you clearly need better moderation.
On April 22 2013 02:15 Patate wrote:
Why can Koreans even play in the AMERICAN section of the tournament?
I know watching sub-par level of play is not as good, but still..
Yeah, and none of the four players who qualified today would stand a chance in the Ro32 of Code S. They're all Code B Koreans.
That does say something about the skill level of the Americas though.
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On April 22 2013 02:14 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:10 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 02:04 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:55 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 01:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:52 Goolpsy wrote:On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote:
It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people.. The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/ Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best. This is a response to... what? The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512. We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between? Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage. You act like an admin needs to be hired for every Bo3.
You act like running an event like this is easy and they should be able to do it all the time. Also, the poster above has a point that hackers made their way into the event, so there clearly needs to be better oversight.
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On April 22 2013 02:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 02:00 cocls wrote:On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:54 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it. I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players. Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A. Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time? I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked. Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online. Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players. Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket. Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr
@Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players. MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket. I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net. The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in. They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
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