Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote: [quote]I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
...And that brings us back to "They are all checked in and good to go."
On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote: [quote]I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
...And that brings us back to "They are all checked in and good to go."
They were checked into a cue of 1000 players all going for 512 spots. 488 of those people did not get in.
On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote: [quote]I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
B.S. , for pros it is, they are locked in NA and their point is way behind to others, Code S=/= Code A
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
Lol.... You know that they have to earn points to get into the regional finals right?? The chance to get into the finals when u play the first season in challenger league is not that high. And you just say "it isn't the end of world"... Sounds odd to you but maybe chinese players who havn't their own Qualifier want to participate in the Grand Finals too. Getting seeded into Challenger league because MLG failed is not the position you want to be in..
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
Lol.... You know that they have to earn points to get into the regional finals right?? The chance to get into the finals when u play the first season in challenger league is not that high. And you just say "it isn't the end of world"... Sounds akward to you but maybe chinese players who havn't their own Qualifier want to participate in the Grand Finals too. Getting seeded into Challenger league is not the position you want to be in..
We don't even have code A for this season for NA, so they would qualify for that instead. Its not the end of the world, though people are going to act like it is.
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Sundance lied, screenshot is evidence in the OP, they didn't miss the queue time.
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
It an open qualifier, first come, first served. The community wanted it to be free and this is what happens when there is no barrier to entry. I don't want gold level scrubs getting slots your players should have, but this is the system that is in place. That is why MGL hedged out slots in the brackets to assure professional players on NA teams would be in the bracket. The Chinese players should lobby MLG for one of those in the next qualifier for NA code A.
It doesn't have to cost money to make sure the best players will get slots. MLG was contacted way ahead of time by the chinese players so there is really no excuse to not blame this on MLG.
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote: [quote] MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
Lol.... You know that they have to earn points to get into the regional finals right?? The chance to get into the finals when u play the first season in challenger league is not that high. And you just say "it isn't the end of world"... Sounds akward to you but maybe chinese players who havn't their own Qualifier want to participate in the Grand Finals too. Getting seeded into Challenger league is not the position you want to be in..
We don't even have code A for this season for NA, so they would qualify for that instead. Its not the end of the world, though people are going to act like it is.
Your statement makes no sense.. You have a challenger league this season in NA. And being placed in that is pretty much "the end of the world" since it is so much harder to get points since you must earn them in only 2 seasons. Would be interesting what for example EG would say when Jeadong would be overlooked and get into challenger league. i don't think EG would say that it isn't "the end of the world"
I don't know how anyone can defend MLG on this. Having only 1 512 person qualifier is inexcusable. They could have easily done 1000+ like esl did. This was just MLG skimping on resources and because of that decision they deserve every bit of criticism. This situation could have been easily avoided.
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
It an open qualifier, first come, first served. The community wanted it to be free and this is what happens when there is no barrier to entry. I don't want gold level scrubs getting slots your players should have, but this is the system that is in place. That is why MGL hedged out slots in the brackets to assure professional players on NA teams would be in the bracket. The Chinese players should lobby MLG for one of those in the next qualifier for NA code A.
They didnt need to cap their qualifier, they could have done things better and differently, we have the proof look at the EU qualifiers, they went perfectly. Saying "this is the system that is in place" is just stupid, it's not a good system so it's normal for people to whine about it.
Some pros and teams didn't know the qualifier was capped, that's their own fault but everybody would trade a full BO3 with LB 512men qualifiers with a big one not capped and BO1 in the firsts rounds. Players want to be in the Premier league? Then don't lose to diamond players who cheese you in this BO1. They traded BO3 and LB for a cap thinking it was more fair but it's actually the contrary : almost every chinese pros won't participate in the first season of WCS NA (remember that there is only this qualifier for both the premier and challenger league which is retarded again).
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
MacSed and Xigua were both former GSL competitors. If that isn't pro, then I dont know what is.
thats like 2010 or something lol
GSL 2012 Season 1, stop being ignorant.
I agree with the above quote. I can summarize your life with a single sentence and a TERRIBLE guess at what you are, but who the hell gave me the right to do that? I am an eSports caster and I was trained to do thorough research on every player that I cast. And that research stems from learning another language for 5+ years, and a great deal of it comes from reading information from untranslated primary sources, which are the most accurate forms of information.
Aside from that a non-korean, I use this term instead of the term foreigner, (because you seem to lump people and make rash generalizations, and I just do my best to clarify this to people like you), a non-Korean GSL competitor going to the GSL is not an easy task. Stephano. Idra. Jinro. Sen. You can add names like MacSed and XiGua to that list.
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