IG.jim, IG.xy, and some progamer from china register this tournament in top 512 postion. check in today on time, but not listed in bracket. Please tell us what happened? The official rules is top 512 players register early and check in on time will list in bracket. If MLG officials can read chinese, please go to our website, millions of threads talking about this.
Here is the update from IG's manager: MLG officials said“yes ,your 3 players r good to go,don't worry” But still only Macsed is in the bracket. Then, first round goes on. Everything is untouchable, XY,JIM are out of this qualifier. And later on, MLG officials offered us challenger spots ( Code A?).
Thx for people sugest me to change title, any mod watching this thread please change the title to : Need help, why WCS america qualifier (MLG) are not listed Chinese Pro into the bracket who supports to be.
Update ：http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/team/egoz here is the OZ's profile. He register in 16th this month. And i am so sure he should be 1000+ behind as MLG CEO quote in his tweet. Ok, you may say he is the seed..But there always a guy from top 512 been kicked off to give the space for player like OZ, or seeded player!!!
The leader of IG already confirmed that Jim and MacSed registered nearly the same time in the same day, and IG teammates all checked in on time, but only to find that only MacSed are listed in the brackets.
IG team leader got response from the Tournament Officials as followed
Concerning on the former game performance, though Jim, XY and Macsed are registered in the same day, Macsed is listed in the brackets. Jim and XY will take part in the Challenger Qualifier in 27th.
I checked the official rules and it said if there are over 512 gamers checked in, top 512 ones will be selected considering the time they registered. It didn't say anything about the so-called performance. Jim, XY and some others are just kicked out of online qualifiers for Primier without any reasons. What a pity! And the officals made comforts just by seeding Jim and XY into the Chanllenger Qualifiers, which we Chinese fans cannot accept.
It's just what it is all about. Hope officials will make a further clear statement about it.
This thread you could use a better name and more details in the OP. While the complaint might be valid, with this title and OP it does not look very convincing.
Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
On April 21 2013 04:37 MCXD wrote: MLG restricting it to one 512 man qualifier was idiotic from the start considering that there was 1024+ on some EU days; and there were four of those.
Yeah, I know that MLG learned from the former WCS EU game modes, but it just kicked so many talented progamers such as Jim, who is already quite known by guys overseas like you. MLG should consider more when they decide who should be in the brackets. I found there are even Diamond or so level players in the brackets, maybe they registered quite early-- which I should admit that.
I had no idea IG is spreading out from DotA into SC2. This could be amazing. Although I'm sure there are better ways to get your question answered than "rly MLG...rly??".
JIM wouldbe a great loss for mlg，if he could not be qualified finally.it's so disappointed and unfair.and i think wcs_eu_IEM did quite well in this way
On April 21 2013 04:44 badDogma wrote: I had no idea IG is spreading out from DotA into SC2. This could be amazing. Although I'm sure there are better ways to get your question answered than "rly MLG...rly??".
This is just fans sound, IG already accept that JIM and XY play in challenger （ CODE A），and i cant change the title.
I know that there were reserved spots for some progamers from EG and so, and MLG admits that they should be considered first. But it is really a pity that talented players like Jim or so are not considered to be in the reserved spots. Jim is only 17 years old and he is as energetic as Life with lots of abnormal and fabulous strategies, but got kicked out from the challenges for Premier league. MLG should balance themselves for guys like that. Besides, there is even not a HotS in China now. SCII progamers in China are quite in a bad conditions. If they lose this great chance by now, I couldn't imagine what motivitions they will have to practise every day.
On April 21 2013 04:34 [OGN]Remmy wrote: The leader of IG already confirmed that Jim and MacSed registered nearly the same time in the same day, and IG teammates all checked in on time, but only to find that only MacSed are listed in the brackets.
IG team leader got response from the Tournament Officials as followed
Concerning on the former game performance, though Jim, XY and Macsed are registered in the same day, Macsed is listed in the brackets. Jim and XY will take part in the Challenger Qualifier in 27th.
I checked the official rules and it said if there are over 512 gamers checked in, top 512 ones will be selected considering the time they registered. It didn't say anything about the so-called performance. Jim, XY and some others are just kicked out of online qualifiers for Primier without any reasons. What a pity! And the officals made comforts just by seeding Jim and XY into the Chanllenger Qualifiers, which we Chinese fans cannot accept.
It's just what it is all about. Hope officials will make a further clear statement about it.
Ah, good thing they got seeds i guess...it's something
They registered when there were only 400 people registered and they checked in on time, so they didn't seeded into the bracket.It's really reasonable,ISN'T IT?
At this point, it's probably too late to fix the bracket or anything like that. If what people here are saying is accurate, MLG will have to explain what happened and why it happened...
MLG dont limits the level of the players, Diamond and Gold player can also sign up. They will never be into Premier League. MLG should follow GSL. Player must be a Master at least.
yeah... if you're going to have ONE tournament with a player limit of ONLY 512, you should atleast make sure the right players are in, and not people from diamond and mid master
On April 21 2013 05:02 nkr wrote: yeah... if you're going to have ONE tournament with a player limit of ONLY 512, you should atleast make sure the right players are in, and not people from diamond and mid master
what a mess
I think that's why they had those 64 reserved slots, I assume. I wouldn't be surprised if MLG never even realized who these guys were and is why they were not given the reserved slots.
On April 21 2013 05:02 ayaka wrote: MLG dont limits the level of the players, Diamond and Gold player can also sign up. They will be never into Premier League. MLG should follow GSL. Player must be a Master at least.
Or at least make the qualifier a 1024 or 2048 man tournament, the weak players will get stomped without taking the spots of actual pros.
I think whoever runs MLG tournaments like this needs to be replaced. I'm not just referring to this event. There is a pretty consistent disconnect with what everybody in the community thinks should happen and what they choose to do. Often it is marked up to restrictions that MLG can't help, but not always.
There is no reason not to have it masters+ only. There is no reason to have it this poorly organized (stream, downtime, game choice). They are STILL applying thought processes and design that they developed for games like Halo to Starcraft 2 events. We had to scream at them to get something other than replay casting. I'm pretty sure we had to scream at them to even see the brackets we currently see. They don't have a clue and they haven't given me any sign that they are ever going to get it right the first time in the future.
some B.S. right there.do you know how much exposure you'll get if you have 1 Chinese in your league? first you want register fee, now this, good start MLG.
Chinese community are not that well developed as EU/NA/KR 's and that's may be the biggest reason for the WCS nowadays. But they should care more for the Chinese Starcraft II communities. Though CN HotS servers are not online yet, there are still a large amount of guys in China playing WoL ladders everyday. Chinese progamers are enduring lags connecting to KR/NA servers to practise and make great effort in keeping tracks with progamers around the world in the HotS. They should not be neglected due to lesser games and so on.
On April 21 2013 05:12 skyflyfish wrote: some B.S. right there.do you know how much exposure you'll get if you have 1 Chinese in your league? first you want register fee, now this, good start MLG.
to be fair, with a register fee, this would never have happened
But really this isn't that big of a deal. Yes they made a mistake. No use crying about it now. They'll fix it for next year. This is how it works, nothing is perfect the first time
On April 21 2013 05:15 eronica wrote: Jim, is the number 1 barcode in KR League (seen it chat with Maru on Maru's stream)
Agreed. I saw the game on TwitchTV in the late afternoon. Maru scanned a barcode and the game started, the opponent said "Maru?" Maru was quite surprised. Then the opponent said he was Jim. And Maru got beat up then. LOL
On April 21 2013 05:18 Klipsys wrote: But really this isn't that big of a deal. Yes they made a mistake. No use crying about it now. They'll fix it for next year. This is how it works, nothing is perfect the first time
Next year? How about next season? How about next qualifier? Is it really that big a deal to double the player capacity, making it just like the EU one?
On April 21 2013 05:18 Klipsys wrote: But really this isn't that big of a deal. Yes they made a mistake. No use crying about it now. They'll fix it for next year. This is how it works, nothing is perfect the first time
On April 21 2013 05:18 Klipsys wrote: But really this isn't that big of a deal. Yes they made a mistake. No use crying about it now. They'll fix it for next year. This is how it works, nothing is perfect the first time
It's not a big deal for you, an amateur who can sit home, and watch games freely. It matters a lot to people who are PROFESSIONALS wanting a chance.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
Mistakes have probable been, however, made out of ignorance and lack of time. Macsed probably got in because they recognized his name.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
you have no point. give up.
The man who responds with "dumb," claims I have no point.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
It's not only about Chinese pros... forget nationality altogether, do you realize these are diamond accounts that took the spots belonging to legitimate professional players on professional teams, is that not enoug for you?
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Why would we be angry at Blizzard when HoTS isn't even out in China yet, the scene isn't nearly as big as KR/EU/NA, there's no reason why there should be a WCS Qualifier there. It's MLG's fault that they didn't either have a very very large initial bracket (like what EU did) or a restriction at least (Masters like what KR did), instead we get to watch diamond and low/mid master scrubs getting killed instead of one of the better foreign players.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
You just misdirected the points. Things just happend on your eyes. One foreigner progamer got his opportunity ruined in no reason and the officials gave no answers to that yet. You told us to feedback to the Blizzard and waste for the next whole season, or even the whole year on wcs america?
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
No, three regional qualifiers was a reasonable and correct decision. They had a budget and they allocated that in a way that made most sense. Chinese sc2 scene isn't big enough to warrant their own qualifier and their best players can compete in Korea. Meanwhile MLG's decision is much more difficult to justify, although it's probably just a mistake that will be rectified.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree.
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced?
i feel MLG is rly brining this to themselves if you would not let a few diamonds play they wont complain, but now this happened and there will not be a easy way to compensate...
a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree.
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced?
I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system?
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree.
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced?
I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system?
Exactly, it doesn't matter where the guy is from, if hes better than the rest of the people he should get a shot. None of this "Oh no He's chinese. and he got leftout of a north american qualifier?! awmgawd, now I'm called out on it so i better start making up some stuff to make myself seem less dumb."
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree.
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced?
I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system?
Aye, I fully agree. However you'd have done well for yourself stating that from the git-go. I too don't want to watch diamond players over top Chinese players (or top-any-nationality pros). However there is multiple ways to solve this problem, I simply listed the origin of it, and wished that remedied.
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
From the Code A qualifiers announcement:
Priority for registration will be given to these players in sequential order:
1. ESF Players 2. KeSPA Players 3. Masters league players with at least 200 points (by April 1st, 12:00 PM KST)
After these players have been sorted, anyone will be able to sign up for the Code A qualifiers for a total number of 576 players. (First-come, first-served basis until March 29th, 12:00PM KST)
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
IG.JIM is a top100 Grandmaster on kr server and IG.XY is 1700+ master on kr server.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers.
Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree.
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced?
I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system?
Aye, I fully agree. However you'd have done well for yourself stating that from the git-go. I too don't want to watch diamond players over top Chinese players (or top-any-nationality pros). However there is multiple ways to solve this problem, I simply listed the origin of it, and wished that remedied.
The origin of the problem (that you listed) isn't anyway the easiest, or the best way. In fact, it might be one of the worst ways to solve this problem. The simple easiest way was for MLG to not be retarded, copy EU and/or KR, considering their qualifiers were before. Instead now we have diamond players getting shit on by pros and real pros being left out. And it was pretty clear from the get-go that this is why we were all unhappy. You were the one who decided to make a sarcastic remark about a Chinese player being left out of the North-American qualifiers.
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
IG.JIM is a top100 Grandmaster on kr server and IG.XY is 1700+ master on kr server.
Well, they two are not like MacSed who ranked #19 on the NA server. They just played on the KR server for practice.
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
IG.JIM is a top100 Grandmaster on kr server and IG.XY is 1700+ master on kr server.
yeah I just meant it used to be easy to go to Code A qualifiers even as a non-pro, completely separate from this because me and my friends have tried to participate in them. It's completely unfair that Jim and XY were left out.
On April 21 2013 05:18 Klipsys wrote: But really this isn't that big of a deal. Yes they made a mistake. No use crying about it now. They'll fix it for next year. This is how it works, nothing is perfect the first time
Next year? How about next season? How about next qualifier? Is it really that big a deal to double the player capacity, making it just like the EU one?
Oh yeah that makes more sense. I thought this was a yearly thing.
That is fine, I want NA players to get in, players in China will just take money and it goes to china....And frankly they get enough for that through everything I buy.
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
Do the GSL qualifiers even fill up to capacity? I remember a lot of first round walkovers in the bracket.
Really I don't see anyone here argueing against how bad of a fuckup that was, I mean really there is no room for an opinion here. First of all if you don't want any restrictions, thats fine. I think everyone deserves a shot at making it into something big, even if the chances are next to none. But if you leave no restrictions to skill/nationality (not talking about players that chose another region) you better don't make a restriction yourself ... like number of players.
Seriously why would you hold a 512 player tournament as a qualifier? ESL did handle 2048 .., easily. Major Gaming League with a major fuckup, it cannot be spelled out otherwise.
On April 21 2013 05:18 Klipsys wrote: But really this isn't that big of a deal. Yes they made a mistake. No use crying about it now. They'll fix it for next year. This is how it works, nothing is perfect the first time
It's not a big deal for you, an amateur who can sit home, and watch games freely. It matters a lot to people who are PROFESSIONALS wanting a chance.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
Are you retarded?
I agree that it's unfortunate for these players but really, what can be done about it at this point? It's fair to point it out as a lapse in judgment and a mistake but complaining about it really won't change anything right now. Better off just voicing our concerns and hope they fix it for next time. Or maybe have a second qualifier.
This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
On April 21 2013 05:45 HeeroFX wrote: That is fine, I want NA players to get in, players in China will just take money and it goes to china....And frankly they get enough for that through everything I buy.
On April 21 2013 05:45 HeeroFX wrote: That is fine, I want NA players to get in, players in China will just take money and it goes to china....And frankly they get enough for that through everything I buy.
On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote: a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
IG.JIM is a top100 Grandmaster on kr server and IG.XY is 1700+ master on kr server.
yeah I just meant it used to be easy to go to Code A qualifiers even as a non-pro, completely separate from this because me and my friends have tried to participate in them. It's completely unfair that Jim and XY were left out.
Visa, and money is the issue i think, if they can qualifier this the Team will found them to go US to attend the tournament. IG is focus on Dota2 i think, sc2 is just a little part of it.
Very sad for China and embarassing for MLG. Was hoping that Xigua would qualify in eu, but sadly didnt happen. Would be a shame if chinese players missed the na qualifier. The 512 player limit is pretty stupid to begin with btw.
If MLG were going to limit to 512 players, they need to let the best players in , not a first come first serve. There's tons of nobodies in the bracket, and now these talented programers are left out. Just sad
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
As a mid master in US, i feel MLG stupid when i see diamond players in the bracket while other profs are not qualified. Is MLG rebuilding a mini ladder for BLZ or holding a professional game for SC2 fans? JIM used to be among top 3 in KR ladder! Do you guys watch the ACT a few days ago when he killed Suppy, Hyun, JD and some other Code S players with only 80% effort? If you ask Maru BBong Creator and other profs in Prime, you'll know how strong the teen is.
Moreover, Jim and XY are asked if they are GSL code S players after refused. Does MLG have over 500 S players? This is the biggest joke I've heard.
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
I am curious how does MLG would know how good they are. Are they high ranked on the NA ladder? If you signed up for the qualifiers you need to link your NA character page, and if they barely played any games on NA if at all, MLG could have easily assumed that they are not very good and are some random noobs and given their spots to some random masters players instead.
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
huge fuckup of mlg imo... if they would tell me i am in and good to go and than i am not... i would be pretty pissed something like this is unacceptable
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
Macsed played EU
Macsed is playing US and will against OZ next round
On April 21 2013 06:04 syllogism wrote: Was MLG informed about the credentials of these players? They probably looked at NA ladder and only saw Macsed.
On April 21 2013 06:03 Fenrax wrote: Sorry to ask, but I am curious and don't know: what was the method used by MLG to determine who gets to be in the 512 and who doesn't?
On April 21 2013 06:03 Fenrax wrote: Sorry to ask, but I am curious and don't know: what was the method used by MLG to determine who gets to be in the 512 and who doesn't?
According to the rules, there are some reserved slots for the progamers, and the top 512 in brackets shall be selected from the sequences of their registration date. Jim and other progamers are kicked out due to "former games' perfomance are not that good as MacSed's". Don't know why.
MLG told them they are in the bracket, and now they are not. They think they could resolve this by giving them challenger spots, lol. That's means they missed out for an opportunity to play for thousands of dollars due to this screw.
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
Macsed played EU
Macsed is playing US and will against OZ next round
On April 21 2013 06:04 syllogism wrote: Was MLG informed about the credentials of these players? They probably looked at NA ladder and only saw Macsed.
Read the OP please.
I've read it repeatedly and it doesn't really address the question. I've already said that I think MLG made a mistake and should do something about it, but I'm also trying to understand the process that lead to the mistake.
On April 21 2013 05:47 Fenrax wrote: This has to be solved by MLG generously. These are only 3 Chinese Pros, right? The deal was that China gets no qualifier, but that they (like everyone else) can play in the EU/US qualifier instead. This feels extremely unfair towards China.
Actually, more like at least 8 people who signed up Not sure if there's anymore, though, at least 2 of them were able to play in the qualifiers.
iG.Macsed iG.Jim iG.Xy Tyloo.Infi Comm Ash Zoo.Courage Zoo.Top
On April 21 2013 06:06 BakedButters wrote: MLG told them they are in the bracket, and now they are not. They think they could resolve this by giving them challenger spots, lol. That's means they missed out for an opportunity to play for thousands of dollars due to this screw.
And now they are locked in for this season
Yes, I actually think they cannot 'not solve' this. They have to step in.
On April 21 2013 06:06 BakedButters wrote: MLG told them they are in the bracket, and now they are not. They think they could resolve this by giving them challenger spots, lol. That's means they missed out for an opportunity to play for thousands of dollars due to this screw.
On April 21 2013 06:04 syllogism wrote: Was MLG informed about the credentials of these players? They probably looked at NA ladder and only saw Macsed.
Read the OP please.
I've read it repeatedly and it doesn't really address the question. I've already said that I think MLG made a mistake and should do something about it, but I'm also trying to understand the process that lead to the mistake.
Ok, sorry, that was a bit rude. Their team manager asked if they were in beforehand and got a confirmation. That is what the screens in the OP shall show.
On April 21 2013 05:52 BakedButters wrote: If MLG were going to limit to 512 players, they need to let the best players in , not a first come first serve. There's tons of nobodies in the bracket, and now these talented programers are left out. Just sad
Nobodies is fine, if they are skilled nobodies. How else do you make a name? The problem is the diamond or lower nobodies.
MLG seriously screwed up. The whole process has been pretty poor from the very start in terms of how everything has been organised, this is just yet another disorganised mess of the WCS 2013 system. Blizzard had an idea and decided to run with it, and forgot that these things need time and organisation.
Now these guys (as well as others previously) get screwed over/messed about because Blizzard and their partners didn't work things out properly before they launched into the whole WCS thing.
It's a nice idea, but it needed actual thought put into it before it was launched.
On April 21 2013 05:45 HeeroFX wrote: That is fine, I want NA players to get in, players in China will just take money and it goes to china....And frankly they get enough for that through everything I buy.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America?
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On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Don't know how WCS Europe was a joke. Compare it to WCS NA and you see whats worse, and really I don't think WCS EU qualifiers were run badly.
On April 21 2013 05:57 yuxiyulanhua wrote: As a mid master in US, i feel MLG stupid when i see diamond players in the bracket while other profs are not qualified. Is MLG rebuilding a mini ladder for BLZ or holding a professional game for SC2 fans? JIM used to be among top 3 in KR ladder! Do you guys watch the ACT a few days ago when he killed Suppy, Hyun, JD and some other Code S players with only 80% effort? If you ask Maru BBong Creator and other profs in Prime, you'll know how strong the teen is.
Moreover, Jim and XY are asked if they are GSL code S players after refused. Does MLG have over 500 S players? This is the biggest joke I've heard.
The reason he probably asked if they were Code S is because he was going to say "if they played in Code S, then they can't play in the qualifier anyway".
On April 21 2013 06:07 betaman wrote: This is another reason why a registration fee would have been a good idea.
There was a registration fee for the NA qualifier, wasn't there?
I thought it was $18.75?
They retracted that after the public outcry over this outrageous amount. I didn't understand the fuss about it, but that's what we got as a result, I guess.
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Don't know how WCS Europe was a joke. Compare it to WCS NA and you see whats worse, and really I don't think WCS EU qualifiers were run badly.
Second this. If you just think about it the sum of errors ESL made were 1h delay on first cup due to technical issues, shortly announced updated times for the 2nd cup and the "1-man-casting-issue" which is no real fault for my part. There were more things they did right imo but as we all know, ppl just want to be bitching about things they have no clue of.
On April 21 2013 06:07 betaman wrote: This is another reason why a registration fee would have been a good idea.
There was a registration fee for the NA qualifier, wasn't there?
I thought it was $18.75?
They retracted that after the public outcry over this outrageous amount. I didn't understand the fuss about it, but that's what we got as a result, I guess.
Having a registration fee just limits the amount of players for no reason. How EU did it well was having just really large brackets and you're able to fit everyone in. These kind of events to get players in diamond, low/mid masters to play and get excited for, that's a great thing. It's just really really awful when you limit it to such a few number of players, and as a result, people are left out. It seems like such a simple thing as well so it's hard to see how MLG could make this decision.
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America?
The EU qualifier was done very well. Maybe you can make a better esport organization, running for almost 20 years now. Start today.
On April 21 2013 06:07 betaman wrote: This is another reason why a registration fee would have been a good idea.
There was a registration fee for the NA qualifier, wasn't there?
I thought it was $18.75?
No, they scrapped it after pitchforks.
Hahah, I didn't know that.
They should have just made the bracket 1024 if more than 512 players signed up.
No, they needed league caps.
There were at least 5 GMs sitting waiting for the bracket to be produced and dozens of masters who simply didn't get in because they registered
A SINGLE DAY AFTER A (SUPPOSEDLY) WEEK LONG REGISTRATION WENT UP
and were waiting for over an hour after checking in the channel.
When there were like 40 people at least who were diamond and below entered into the bracket. Ridiculous. If you didn't sign up 2 hours after Registration went up, you were boned.
Really great for helping out North American Esports when your only way into the pro scene for the entire year is a 2 hour sign up period with absurd rules and absolutely zero clarity in advance on how the tournament is set up.
I will personally be boycotting MLG this year until they step this shit up.
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America?
The EU qualifier was done very well. Maybe you can make a better esport organization, running for almost 20 years now. Start today.
No point in that, though. Dreamhack was a better organization at making tournaments and it didn't get them anywhere. WCS Europe was okay, but I can understand that the frustration about how things are handled around WCS adds up.
Much about it feels artificial, forced and/or unprofessional.
Not totally unexpected that something would screw up like this, but this is quite disappointing, especially considering they got verbal confirmation twice. =\ I hope the Chinese players can do well. They were absolutely wronged.
Not the biggest of deals since this is only a qualifier, but obviously this shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't know why they don't just make it so you have to be masters+ on any region to register. You'd filter out so much spam that way. I wonder what % of the players who registered were top masters players...
I really wanted to see some Chinese players in the WCS, though. They are very skilled for how little recognition they get =/. Hopefully they aren't losing out too much for any of this.
This is what happens when u do things last minute. Blizzard telling the world their WCS plans at such a late moment, screwing Koreans
Then MLG giving out their qualifier schedule, registration, without much time to prepare.
They should of generated the bracket days earlier with an early registration. That way if any important top pros were left out, it could be resolved. Since there is no registration fee, it has to be top masters & up. Then check-in two hours earlier so they can replace those who don't show up
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America?
I don't see how "boycotting" WCS would help solve anything, nor grow the scene. EU qualifiers had its problems and could be improved but overall I'd say ESL handled that pretty well.
Here's the two things that people bitch about most after comparing the NA to the EU qualifiers:
1. One 512-players qualifier. I do believe an open bracket should be open to anyone. ESL accommodated that with unlimited brackets on day 1 and 4. Many people missed day3 because check-ins were full after 65 seconds. But at least there were 4 qualifiers you could participate in. MLG seems to have trouble with poor communications which resulted in players being left out.
2. One stream for NA browsing brackets for the first hour. For EU, there were more than a dozen community streams going on at the same time (at least 4 were English), if you don't like certain casters, have too much downtime, bad game qualities, you can always switch to another stream at an instant. Many people just have multiple streams up at once to catch all the games of players they want to follow. We had choices.
On April 21 2013 06:27 Blargh wrote: Not the biggest of deals since this is only a qualifier, but obviously this shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't know why they don't just make it so you have to be masters+ on any region to register. You'd filter out so much spam that way. I wonder what % of the players who registered were top masters players...
I really wanted to see some Chinese players in the WCS, though. They are very skilled for how little recognition they get =/. Hopefully they aren't losing out too much for any of this.
On April 21 2013 06:27 Blargh wrote: Not the biggest of deals since this is only a qualifier, but obviously this shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't know why they don't just make it so you have to be masters+ on any region to register. You'd filter out so much spam that way. I wonder what % of the players who registered were top masters players...
I really wanted to see some Chinese players in the WCS, though. They are very skilled for how little recognition they get =/. Hopefully they aren't losing out too much for any of this.
It's their only chance for getting into Premier for this season. 17th-32nd in Premier is an extra $1200 in prize money over top 8 in Challenger. I'm pretty sure it's a big deal to them.
On April 21 2013 06:27 Blargh wrote: Not the biggest of deals since this is only a qualifier, but obviously this shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't know why they don't just make it so you have to be masters+ on any region to register. You'd filter out so much spam that way. I wonder what % of the players who registered were top masters players...
I really wanted to see some Chinese players in the WCS, though. They are very skilled for how little recognition they get =/. Hopefully they aren't losing out too much for any of this.
It's THE qualifier...
Eh, you're right. I suppose it should be taken seriously since it's the difference between Code S and Code A basically (or not at all?) Plus, I was thinking like WCS EU's (four) qualifiers. Didn't really think it over It just feels so much like 'random crappy qualifier'.
Also, if it is only Masters+, then they should have definitely just extended the bracket =/
Why should chinese players even be allwed to qualify in american WCS or did I understand something wrong, I thought there were qualifiers for all the regions ? So I think its okay not to take in non reginal players, I mean we also dont let brazil play in europe soccer championship ? Or did I understand the WCS wrong ?
I think the issue is MLG not sticking to what their website/rules said. It was supposed to be the first 512 people that signed up would be able to play, but apparently some of the famous pros (koreans) were let in regardless of their signup. Same thing happened to my friend, we signed up virtually the same minute and were both well within the first 512 signups but I was seeded into the bracket and he wasn't. If it's true that these chinese players all signed up in time that's really shitty by MLG.
I tried talking to one of the admins about this issue but he told me that none of the admins know anything about seeding and that some of the more known players were let in because 'they may have been invited players'. Seems pretty silly for a supposedly open qualifier.
On April 21 2013 06:47 Holy_AT wrote: Why should chinese players even be allwed to qualify in american WCS or did I understand something wrong, I thought there were qualifiers for all the regions ? So I think its okay not to take in non reginal players, I mean we also dont let brazil play in europe soccer championship ? Or did I understand the WCS wrong ?
There is no WCS China, there is only Korea, NA and EU. Blizzard opened up each region to plays from anywhere, so if you're not European or Korean (many exceptions there) then you're probably going to play in NA.
On April 21 2013 06:47 Holy_AT wrote: Why should chinese players even be allwed to qualify in american WCS or did I understand something wrong, I thought there were qualifiers for all the regions ? So I think its okay not to take in non reginal players, I mean we also dont let brazil play in europe soccer championship ? Or did I understand the WCS wrong ?
There is no WCS China, there is only Korea, NA and EU. Blizzard opened up each region to plays from anywhere, so if you're not European or Korean (many exceptions there) then you're probably going to play in NA.
iaguz, you didn't get in either? This thread equally concerns you SEA guys, MLG really needs to address this issue!
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America?
The EU qualifier was done very well. Maybe you can make a better esport organization, running for almost 20 years now. Start today.
No point in that, though. Dreamhack was a better organization at making tournaments and it didn't get them anywhere. WCS Europe was okay, but I can understand that the frustration about how things are handled around WCS adds up.
Much about it feels artificial, forced and/or unprofessional.
You do realize that running a tournament is not the same as running a league?
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America?
The EU qualifier was done very well. Maybe you can make a better esport organization, running for almost 20 years now. Start today.
No point in that, though. Dreamhack was a better organization at making tournaments and it didn't get them anywhere. WCS Europe was okay, but I can understand that the frustration about how things are handled around WCS adds up.
Much about it feels artificial, forced and/or unprofessional.
You do realize that running a tournament is not the same as running a league?
Nah a weekender tournament runs like a month long league ! All the same. I can already imagine Dreamhack running it. Changing location every week and all the fancy stuff with Hosts and everything, even in the qualifiers. But with all those Dreamhack comments, I am really curious how the qualifiers would have looked. Doubt anyone can beat ESL on that ground though. Well except an ESL with no debts :x .
To stay atleast a bit on topic, wish I could see more Chinese players especially without server lag.
Makes me pretty sad, these guys have no chance to play anywhere else now, have been playing ( and dominating ) on NA ladder to get used to the delay and now its all for nothing, 1 shot and they missed it. Pretty sad for them T_T certainly because Jim and macsed are so fucking good
Blizzard already decided that WCS NA EU KR should have universal entry. For those who say NA should only be for americans or canadians. that's your opinion but blizzard has other plans for the WCS.
There is no WCS China so chinese players should have been allowed entry to the WCS NA qualifier due to their progamer status. Why let some amateur gamers in diamond or master league enter instead of top GM kr/tw server chinese players?
It's absolutely mind boggling that this has occurred!
I do like the WCS EU qualifiers though and even though i'm from EU, they have been entertaining.
If you were a true starcraft 2 fan then you would want the best professional sc2 gamers to qualify regardless of nationality and sex.
On April 21 2013 06:48 Swagasaurus wrote: I think the issue is MLG not sticking to what their website/rules said. It was supposed to be the first 512 people that signed up would be able to play, but apparently some of the famous pros (koreans) were let in regardless of their signup. Same thing happened to my friend, we signed up virtually the same minute and were both well within the first 512 signups but I was seeded into the bracket and he wasn't. If it's true that these chinese players all signed up in time that's really shitty by MLG.
I tried talking to one of the admins about this issue but he told me that none of the admins know anything about seeding and that some of the more known players were let in because 'they may have been invited players'. Seems pretty silly for a supposedly open qualifier.
Seems like no one knows what the hell they are doing/supposed to be doing at MLG, so it all went to shit.
There's something fishy about how MLG has run the qualifiers. It's ridiculous. telling your players that they are in the tourney but they are not, changing the spots to registration first, but allowing well known players some saved spots. Everything stinks.
Why is it so hard to run one tournament, when you've had years in the business? Pretty much every aspect of WCS has been wrought with stupidity in some fashion, it's absolutely crazy.
I feel for all of the pro gamers who are affected, in China and elsewhere.
On April 21 2013 04:44 badDogma wrote: I had no idea IG is spreading out from DotA into SC2. This could be amazing. Although I'm sure there are better ways to get your question answered than "rly MLG...rly??".
iG has had a sc2 team for over 3 years as far as I'm aware.
Uhm, kick the lower league amateurs, insert these amazing players into bracket with rematches in the respective brackets. This is absolutely not cool by MLG, and giving Challenger spots to these guys is just plain rude.
MLG need to give an official response how such a big mistake can be made. I really feel for the people that they were in and it was confirmed then they find out oops your not in after all.
On April 21 2013 07:48 bgx wrote: I purposely held from saying anything about small fuck ups from ESL, because i knew that something like 2048 qualifer is almost unheard of.
Also they ran few of them (other were smaller though).
When i saw that MLG had 512 bracket i thought the will run at least few of them, is it not the case? Is it 1 and only? Really?
Just one for the premier division but MLG is doing double elim.
I feel so bad for the chinese players/scene.They have some really talented players and considering there are some half assed amatuers that don't belong in this qualifier just makes this extra sad. MLG should issue some kind of response to this news.
JIM out of WCS, this is unacceptable blizzard. We lost a serious contender there, and also whats up with just one stream casting such a huge bracket. NASL casters could have casted, and some other ones should have as well. So many good games being missed. Hope this is not a sign of things to come.
On April 21 2013 08:00 1v1Alpha wrote: JIM out of WCS, this is unacceptable blizzard. We lost a serious contender there, and also whats up with just one stream casting such a huge bracket. NASL casters could have casted, and some other ones should have as well. So many good games being missed. Hope this is not a sign of things to come.
Don't you mean MLG? They are the ones organization the NA qualifier, not Blizzard.
On April 21 2013 08:00 1v1Alpha wrote: JIM out of WCS, this is unacceptable blizzard. We lost a serious contender there, and also whats up with just one stream casting such a huge bracket. NASL casters could have casted, and some other ones should have as well. So many good games being missed. Hope this is not a sign of things to come.
Don't you mean MLG? They are the ones organization the NA qualifier, not Blizzard.
Axeltoss and Axlav are the permanent MLG sc2 casters. I believe Integra is suggesting they shouldve brought in some of NASL's casters to cast additional games
Looking at the brackets I see two Chinese players, one Protoss called FruitsBasket and another called ZooTop... who are these players. I don't want to assume, but could it be?
On April 21 2013 08:19 BeyondCtrL wrote: Looking at the brackets I see two Chinese players, one Protoss called FruitsBasket and another called ZooTop... who are these players. I don't want to assume, but could it be?
ZooTop is not AZUBU.TOP he is a chinese protoss who came 3rd at wcs China.
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament.
Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world?
And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too?
Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America?
Or... How about not boycotting anything before MLG actually provides a response to this?
I watched EU qualifiers every day I think, and from a spectator's viewpoint they were run very smoothly. What is this "way" they ran it that made it a complete fucking joke?
And Scarlett probably decided herself what to after they offered a seed...
I didn't get into the WCS either and I qualified last year. I am not sure how that exactly works. I even beat the 2nd place winner Diasuki to go to WCS NA Championship. So it is actually extremely depressing. I also hear that this is the only qualifier atm.
You guys are sassing the ESL (english second language), stressed out guy that his thread is not clear enough for you? Wow.
Anyway, WCS EU and NA have both favored non-asians in choice of who gets casted, and who gets support from the tournament organizers. Its been very stressful for some players.
While this looks like a mistake, at the same time I'm certain it wouldn't have happened if the players affected were white.
On April 21 2013 07:14 wptlzkwjd wrote: Wasn't there a WCS China last year? Why aren't they making another one? Unless it's because HotS isn't released in China yet (I have no idea)?
No there was no WCS China but the big finals of the whole WCS were in China.
On April 21 2013 08:56 Inimic wrote: You guys are sassing the ESL (english second language), stressed out guy that his thread is not clear enough for you? Wow.
Anyway, WCS EU and NA have both favored non-asians in choice of who gets casted, and who gets support from the tournament organizers. Its been very stressful for some players.
While this looks like a mistake, at the same time I'm certain it wouldn't have happened if the players affected were white.
On April 21 2013 08:00 1v1Alpha wrote: JIM out of WCS, this is unacceptable blizzard. We lost a serious contender there, and also whats up with just one stream casting such a huge bracket. NASL casters could have casted, and some other ones should have as well. So many good games being missed. Hope this is not a sign of things to come.
This is MLG's fault, not Blizzard. Blizzard gave the reigns of the WCS to a a tournament organizer in respective region. US: MLG Europe:ESL Korea:GOM/OGN combo Somehow, only the US side seems to falter, first with sign up fees and now with this.
On April 21 2013 08:00 1v1Alpha wrote: JIM out of WCS, this is unacceptable blizzard. We lost a serious contender there, and also whats up with just one stream casting such a huge bracket. NASL casters could have casted, and some other ones should have as well. So many good games being missed. Hope this is not a sign of things to come.
This is MLG's fault, not Blizzard. Blizzard gave the reigns of the WCS to a a tournament organizer in respective region. US: MLG Europe:ESL Korea:GOM/OGN combo Somehow, only the US side seems to falter, first with sign up fees and now with this.
People were initially making a big fuss over the EU qualifiers too. The difference is they had it spread over multiple days so they could correct any problems people had because they had more time.
So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote: So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
you forgot that they also checked in HyuN and later DQ'd him, could have been a spot for Jim at least
On April 21 2013 08:56 Blackrobe wrote: I don't understand why these qualifiers have to be squeezed in to such small time frames.
Why not run them over a week or two...?
Because that would mean having to actually put in effort. easier for them to just do it all in one day so they can continue their own shows for the rest of the week. You know the ones only like a thousand people watch (to be fair I do like the shows but they should have cancelled them for WCS)
This is a disaster, and it makes me sad because I thought the new WCS was going to be great. It's been run so poorly though. By doing this MLG basically hurt chances for the game to grow in China, which is the complete opposite of what WCS is supposed to be about.
Meanwhile people who have been suspended by their teams for hacking or people who aren't allowed to play in the qualifier are allowed in. Just pathetic.
On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote: So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
You know, I can think of a fix for this quickly. Remove the hacker, let a pro in its place, then reshuffle the bracket.
On April 21 2013 04:38 iaguz wrote: Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
One imagines that for Season 2 they fix this.
On SotG, they said that maybe having entry fee was a good idea after all ($20 was high but $10 seemed good, maybe even just $5).
Alternatively they could do what GOMTV does and give priority to pro gamers (or anyone) with an established and team first before randoms.
Edit - I say it's not really MLG's fault directly.
It's the fact that WCS in general seems a bit disorganized so far.
Edit 2 - What I mean is, Blizzard didn't give MLG any directions or what they should do or "had to do". I mean, technically it is Blizzard's thing after all. They can't just give their big "WCS" to a tournament organizer without telling them what to exactly do for qualifiers and things like that or else problems like this will likely happen.
While 512 1 bracket tournament over 1 day is silly, it's not really MLG's fault because Blizzard didn't exactly tell them how they should handle it (and again, since Blizzard did come up with WCS in the first place, they should direct it more).
It's more of a hindsight problem from MLG (MLG probably didn't expect these many problems in advance) and it's fair because (again) it seemed like Blizzard didn't direct them or at least emphasis how important it will be to make sure <x> or <y> gets done right (qualifiers for example).
Should have let NASL run this with MLG. Cant really see those guys dropping the ball the way Sundance routinely does, since NASL dont have to pretend they are anything more than a labor of love.
On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote: So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
I wouldn't have wanted to see them run a 1024 man tourny, it was headache inducing enough with only 512. They had a list of 16 or so admins but only 5 or so where ever on. Seemed like a lack of manpower.
On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote: So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
I wouldn't have wanted to see them run a 1024 man tourny, it was headache inducing enough with only 512. They had a list of 16 or so admins but only 5 or so where ever on. Seemed like a lack of manpower.
So why the hell were they running it in the first place? It's like saying hey sorry this shit happened, but cut us some slack we don't have enough people. Seems really irresponsible and looks really bad for MLG.
The saddest part in this entire ordeal is how there are such terrible players, and a possible account sharer/hacker, so deep in the tournament. People were saying how stacked this tournament was gonna be, but it turned out so that most legitimate regional pros were screwed out by these low master/diamond players.
MLG really did a very poor job of organizing this and Blizzard really should pull some strings to not let this happen again or we will remember their WCS to be a total joke.
On April 21 2013 10:15 mrRoflpwn wrote: so there were over 4000 spots in the EU qualifiers, there are unlimited spots in the Korea qualifier, but in NA theres only 500? Makes sense.
Actually, the Korean qualifier had only 576 spots according to liquipedia. Furthermore, that qualifier was for the challenger league (formerly code A) not for the premier league (code S) unlike the EU and US qualifiers.
On April 21 2013 10:40 Baum wrote: MLG really did a very poor job of organizing this and Blizzard really should pull some strings to not let this happen again or we will remember their WCS to be a total joke.
Odd, because I already thought it was a joke. Going to be awfully hard to change my opinion on that matter and they didn't help their case by rushing into this season either.
On April 21 2013 04:38 iaguz wrote: Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
One imagines that for Season 2 they fix this.
On SotG, they said that maybe having entry fee was a good idea after all ($20 was high but $10 seemed good, maybe even just $5).
Alternatively they could do what GOMTV does and give priority to pro gamers (or anyone) with an established and team first before randoms.
Edit - I say it's not really MLG's fault directly.
It's the fact that WCS in general seems a bit disorganized so far.
Edit 2 - What I mean is, Blizzard didn't give MLG any directions or what they should do or "had to do". I mean, technically it is Blizzard's thing after all. They can't just give it to tournaments and tell them, they'll probably know how to handle it.
Obviously if you give a tournament organizer a tournament to run and don't tell them how to do it, then there is potential for problems.
While 512 1 bracket tournament over 1 day is silly, it's not really MLG's fault because Blizzard didn't exactly tell them how they should handle it (and again, since Blizzard did come up with WCS in the first place, they should direct it more).
It's more of a hindsight thing potentially (MLG probably didn't expect these many problems in advance).
Well I guess Blizzard thought that MLG was capable to run a simple qualifying tournament!? It's hindsight to say that 1 tournament with 512 players isn't enough? Come on...
It just looks like MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible to run this and quite frankly they failed.
On April 21 2013 10:38 BeyondCtrL wrote: The saddest part in this entire ordeal is how there are such terrible players, and a possible account sharer/hacker, so deep in the tournament. People were saying how stacked this tournament was gonna be, but it turned out so that most legitimate regional pros were screwed out by these low master/diamond players.
Your wording implies that it was the low masters/diamond players fault, which would be extremely unfair.
Having gone through the ordeal I can say honestly I'd probably have been less pissed if I didn't get in, it was run terribly on the inside as well.
I blame the lack of a pay wall completely. point restrictions are ok, but where do you draw the line? I lost pretty quickly, I have over 1000 points in master league, I clearly was not up to the level of others. What points do you need to restrict it to to be fair? A lot of my issues involved came because the players that I was supposed to play in the loser's bracket left and it took 2 hours to get a walkover. I'm not the only one that experienced this. A pay wall would do a lot more to discourage these players from joining the tournament than requiring 1300 points in master league(my opponent was ranked higher than me in the ladder).
The problem is primarily that you have people who don't respect the competition or their fellow players. It's a lot easier to justify disrespect to yourself when you're not dropping money to do it.
On April 21 2013 10:38 BeyondCtrL wrote: The saddest part in this entire ordeal is how there are such terrible players, and a possible account sharer/hacker, so deep in the tournament. People were saying how stacked this tournament was gonna be, but it turned out so that most legitimate regional pros were screwed out by these low master/diamond players.
Your wording implies that it was the low masters/diamond players fault, which would be extremely unfair.
Having gone through the ordeal I can say honestly I'd probably have been less pissed if I didn't get in, it was run terribly on the inside as well.
I blame the lack of a pay wall completely. point restrictions are ok, but where do you draw the line? I lost pretty quickly, I have over 1000 points in master league, I clearly was not up to the level of others. What points do you need to restrict it to to be fair? A lot of my issues involved came because the players that I was supposed to play in the loser's bracket left and it took 2 hours to get a walkover. I'm not the only one that experienced this. A pay wall would do a lot more to discourage these players from joining the tournament than requiring 1300 points in master league(my opponent was ranked higher than me in the ladder).
The problem is primarily that you have people who don't respect the competition or their fellow players. It's a lot easier to justify disrespect to yourself when you're not dropping money to do it.
You're right, but I'm not implying that at all, the blame lies squarely at MLG for arranging it the way they did. What I meant was because of how it turned out we have the low tier players in the "Code S" qualifier in the NA region. Because the barrier of entry was non existent and the places so few the first come first serve basically shut out a lot of legitimate pros from even qualifying.
On April 21 2013 04:38 iaguz wrote: Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
One imagines that for Season 2 they fix this.
On SotG, they said that maybe having entry fee was a good idea after all ($20 was high but $10 seemed good, maybe even just $5).
Alternatively they could do what GOMTV does and give priority to pro gamers (or anyone) with an established and team first before randoms.
Edit - I say it's not really MLG's fault directly.
It's the fact that WCS in general seems a bit disorganized so far.
Edit 2 - What I mean is, Blizzard didn't give MLG any directions or what they should do or "had to do". I mean, technically it is Blizzard's thing after all. They can't just give it to tournaments and tell them, they'll probably know how to handle it.
Obviously if you give a tournament organizer a tournament to run and don't tell them how to do it, then there is potential for problems.
While 512 1 bracket tournament over 1 day is silly, it's not really MLG's fault because Blizzard didn't exactly tell them how they should handle it (and again, since Blizzard did come up with WCS in the first place, they should direct it more).
It's more of a hindsight thing potentially (MLG probably didn't expect these many problems in advance).
Well I guess Blizzard thought that MLG was capable to run a simple qualifying tournament!? It's hindsight to say that 1 tournament with 512 players isn't enough? Come on...
It just looks like MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible to run this and quite frankly they failed.
Yes, I agree that MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible but the fault still lies with Blizzard.
It's still their big WCS thing and if they don't give tournament organizers directions they need to follow or how to do anything exactly, then the potential for problems will exist.
Also when I say hindsight, MLG probably didn't know how many would try to qualify or whatever. They didn't even set or use a "only masters or higher" can participate restriction.
I highly doubt MLG would have done all this had they know what the reaction would be. They haven't really had any experience running anything like this (their open brackets are usually LAN or if they're online, they were usually done in a small scale and usually with an entrance fee). That's what I meant by its hindsight problem by MLG (of course it is still their fault for not taking it too seriously).
However, the main fault still lies with Blizzard because WCS is such a "supposedly" huge deal but yet Blizzard just left it to tournament organizers to do whatever they want with WCS.
On April 21 2013 04:38 iaguz wrote: Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
One imagines that for Season 2 they fix this.
On SotG, they said that maybe having entry fee was a good idea after all ($20 was high but $10 seemed good, maybe even just $5).
Alternatively they could do what GOMTV does and give priority to pro gamers (or anyone) with an established and team first before randoms.
Edit - I say it's not really MLG's fault directly.
It's the fact that WCS in general seems a bit disorganized so far.
Edit 2 - What I mean is, Blizzard didn't give MLG any directions or what they should do or "had to do". I mean, technically it is Blizzard's thing after all. They can't just give it to tournaments and tell them, they'll probably know how to handle it.
Obviously if you give a tournament organizer a tournament to run and don't tell them how to do it, then there is potential for problems.
While 512 1 bracket tournament over 1 day is silly, it's not really MLG's fault because Blizzard didn't exactly tell them how they should handle it (and again, since Blizzard did come up with WCS in the first place, they should direct it more).
It's more of a hindsight thing potentially (MLG probably didn't expect these many problems in advance).
Well I guess Blizzard thought that MLG was capable to run a simple qualifying tournament!? It's hindsight to say that 1 tournament with 512 players isn't enough? Come on...
It just looks like MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible to run this and quite frankly they failed.
Not like they didn't outsource their other tournament and yes it's poorly organized because they rushed it. They wanted to get the season going right away because Korea and the international tournaments were about to pick-up again and they want it to coincide.
All of this could have been taken care of if planned ahead properly. Everyone knows that one qualifier for 16 spots for all of NA (and other parts of the world) is obviously not enough if you're only going to allow 512 or whatever people participate and it's first come first serve priority in registration. Obviously that's a mistake.
Ways this qualifier process for NA could have been done better:
1. Hold more than 1 qualifier. - I would have loved to see a more grassroots approach to this similar to what WCG used to do back in BW for WCG USA. Have some online tournaments for people in their own regions and some local tournaments that people can travel to (4 per part of NA). Take 8 from online qualifiers and 8 from local qualifiers (2 from each one) and have 1 final qualifying tournament where the top 8 go to the premier division and the bottom 8 get seeds into the challenger qualifier or division.
2. Have some sort of minimum qualification requirement. - Players should at least be in the Master division when signing up to qualify to even take part in the qualifiers. This will eliminate a lot of problems with player space in the tournaments.
3. Have more admins online - There are/were only 2 that were online during this whole thing and that's not enough. With how massive this thing is, they're probably getting sunk with messages from players and randoms. If there were more admins and more communication with the public, there wouldn't be mass confusion about when people are supposed to play matches and other important things.
4. Send a message to both MLG and Blizzard with your thoughts on how this was run and let them know what you think needs changed/fixed. Us ranting and raving on here is one thing, but going directly to the source and letting them know how the masses feel is another. If they get enough feedback about things, steps will more than likely be taken to fix the mistakes made and improve the process in the future.
5. Be constructive, not cynical - I know that this was done very poorly. But, just bashing MLG and/or Blizzard will get us all no where. It might feel great to do, but it won't help the cause at all. I don't like this qualification process or how things were handled any more than anyone else, but we need to stay constructive.
We should have made our voices/opinions known ahead of time when we knew there was only going to be one qualifier for the premier division instead of when that qualifier took place. We took too long to voice our opinions about it and there's probably nothing we can do now to change it this time, however we can let them know how we feel about it and maybe it'll be different next time.
On April 21 2013 10:38 BeyondCtrL wrote: The saddest part in this entire ordeal is how there are such terrible players, and a possible account sharer/hacker, so deep in the tournament. People were saying how stacked this tournament was gonna be, but it turned out so that most legitimate regional pros were screwed out by these low master/diamond players.
Your wording implies that it was the low masters/diamond players fault, which would be extremely unfair.
Having gone through the ordeal I can say honestly I'd probably have been less pissed if I didn't get in, it was run terribly on the inside as well.
I blame the lack of a pay wall completely. point restrictions are ok, but where do you draw the line? I lost pretty quickly, I have over 1000 points in master league, I clearly was not up to the level of others. What points do you need to restrict it to to be fair? A lot of my issues involved came because the players that I was supposed to play in the loser's bracket left and it took 2 hours to get a walkover. I'm not the only one that experienced this. A pay wall would do a lot more to discourage these players from joining the tournament than requiring 1300 points in master league(my opponent was ranked higher than me in the ladder).
The problem is primarily that you have people who don't respect the competition or their fellow players. It's a lot easier to justify disrespect to yourself when you're not dropping money to do it.
You're right, but I'm not implying that at all, the blame lies squarely at MLG for arranging it the way they did. What I meant was because of how it turned out we have the low tier players in the "Code S" qualifier in the NA region. Because the barrier of entry was non existent and the places so few the first come first serve basically shut out a lot of legitimate pros from even qualifying.
After the mess ups with ESL in the EU qualifiers with starting times and auto checking in "top" players arbitrarily, you would hope American qualifier goes more smoothly? Nah, actually its way worse than the EU qualifier.
Wow the one SC2 tournament I was excited to see take off and hoped would turn into THE must watch tournaments, and it turns out to be a disaster from the start... sigh.
I guess at the end of the day the Koreans will dominate everything either way, but this is still very disappointing.
On April 21 2013 10:02 Mauldo wrote: So. MLG fucks Demuslim out of an invite, lets Catz lose to a known hacker, and "makes up for" inviting Koreans for the WCS NA tournament by only allowing one 512 man tournament and turning away legit players from pro-teams for the diamond noobs because, you know, they checked in first.
I'm usually the first to take to their defense, and the last person to drop the flag in defeat, but goddammit MLG. Seriously? In what world is a 512 man tourney enough? Even if it isn't all NA players, you had to have assumed that there'd be an exodus of players wanting the easy mode qualification for a WCS event.
I'm a staunch defender of the region lock, and have a serious problem with players from half-way across the world playing in a region they don't even live in, let alone visit for any solid amount of time. But if you're going to allow them in, at least have enough spots to put them all in. What in the fuck would have been the problem with a 1024 or even 2048 man bracket? You have the men to run it. Would it have really hurt you to give a couple hundred people byes into the round of 1024/512? That one, simple move would have saved this entire thread from having to be created. The trade off would have been one less screw up in exchange for your tournament admins running an admittedly larger tournament. But if you told Blizzard you would singlehandedly take care of WCS NA, guess what? You should handle WCS NA. Not half ass it like you have been.
I was already on the fence about catching the rest of the qualifiers (just got back from a prior engagement), but now I'm just going to fire up some Game of Thrones or something. I was willing to live with WCS NA actually meaning WCS Wherever, but you shot yourself in the foot after those jokes you called invites, and this just made my decision for me.
Worst part is, Blizzard is going to get flack for WCS NA being a joke, when it was MLG that screwed the dog on this one.
I wouldn't have wanted to see them run a 1024 man tourny, it was headache inducing enough with only 512. They had a list of 16 or so admins but only 5 or so where ever on. Seemed like a lack of manpower.
Then they should not have accepted the job in the first place. You don't accept something and THEN say "well we lack mainpower so we will try to fit it all into something smaller then other ones".
On April 21 2013 08:19 BeyondCtrL wrote: Looking at the brackets I see two Chinese players, one Protoss called FruitsBasket and another called ZooTop... who are these players. I don't want to assume, but could it be?
FruitBasket is a unnotable amateur in our chinese forum.
On April 21 2013 08:19 BeyondCtrL wrote: Looking at the brackets I see two Chinese players, one Protoss called FruitsBasket and another called ZooTop... who are these players. I don't want to assume, but could it be?
what do you wan to say? ZOO is an chinese pro gaming team. and for FruitsBasket we are still not sure who he is. But what we do know is IG.JIM, IG.XY are not even listed in bracket!
On April 21 2013 04:38 iaguz wrote: Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
One imagines that for Season 2 they fix this.
On SotG, they said that maybe having entry fee was a good idea after all ($20 was high but $10 seemed good, maybe even just $5).
Alternatively they could do what GOMTV does and give priority to pro gamers (or anyone) with an established and team first before randoms.
Edit - I say it's not really MLG's fault directly.
It's the fact that WCS in general seems a bit disorganized so far.
Edit 2 - What I mean is, Blizzard didn't give MLG any directions or what they should do or "had to do". I mean, technically it is Blizzard's thing after all. They can't just give it to tournaments and tell them, they'll probably know how to handle it.
Obviously if you give a tournament organizer a tournament to run and don't tell them how to do it, then there is potential for problems.
While 512 1 bracket tournament over 1 day is silly, it's not really MLG's fault because Blizzard didn't exactly tell them how they should handle it (and again, since Blizzard did come up with WCS in the first place, they should direct it more).
It's more of a hindsight thing potentially (MLG probably didn't expect these many problems in advance).
Well I guess Blizzard thought that MLG was capable to run a simple qualifying tournament!? It's hindsight to say that 1 tournament with 512 players isn't enough? Come on...
It just looks like MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible to run this and quite frankly they failed.
Yes, I agree that MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible but the fault still lies with Blizzard.
It's still their big WCS thing and if they don't give tournament organizers directions they need to follow or how to do anything exactly, then the potential for problems will exist.
Also when I say hindsight, MLG probably didn't know how many would try to qualify or whatever. They didn't even set or use a "only masters or higher" can participate restriction.
I highly doubt MLG would have done all this had they know what the reaction would be. They haven't really had any experience running anything like this (their open brackets are usually LAN or if they're online, they were usually done in a small scale and usually with an entrance fee). That's what I meant by its hindsight problem by MLG (of course it is still their fault for not taking it too seriously).
However, the main fault still lies with Blizzard because WCS is such a "supposedly" huge deal but yet Blizzard just left it to tournament organizers to do whatever they want with WCS.
Don't see how you can blame Blizzard for this tbh. They made this whole tournament system and were hoping at least the qualifiers could be arranged by the tournament organizers they put in charge for it. Guess they were wrong and next time they have to make everything and people will boo once more when a certain issue arrived cause of their then locked qualification system.
ok this is stupid. What were they thinking? Tournaments should be about competition and skill level. I already had issue with they showing more games of foreigners on the main stage when some koreans are having some serious actions that we don't get to see. now this?
i'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that "diamond noobs" are just as deserving as MVP etc. when the regional tournament is first come first serve. there's nothing inherently wrong with that as it theoretically gives all interested parties an equal chance to participate.
On April 21 2013 04:38 iaguz wrote: Details is that 512 turned out to be far too small a limit for WCS NA's qualifier. It functions on a first come first serve basis, it accepted more then 512 people registering and upon check in gives priority to those who registered earlier despite skill level. There are loads of diamond and below flotsam clogging up the registration that legitimately amazing players like jim (as well as loads of scrubby white folk like meself with decent *snort* NA GM ladder status) are not able to compete. MLG/blizzard fucked up majorly with this, extremely disappointing, especially for those coming from nations who got nothing from WCS this year.
One imagines that for Season 2 they fix this.
On SotG, they said that maybe having entry fee was a good idea after all ($20 was high but $10 seemed good, maybe even just $5).
Alternatively they could do what GOMTV does and give priority to pro gamers (or anyone) with an established and team first before randoms.
Edit - I say it's not really MLG's fault directly.
It's the fact that WCS in general seems a bit disorganized so far.
Edit 2 - What I mean is, Blizzard didn't give MLG any directions or what they should do or "had to do". I mean, technically it is Blizzard's thing after all. They can't just give it to tournaments and tell them, they'll probably know how to handle it.
Obviously if you give a tournament organizer a tournament to run and don't tell them how to do it, then there is potential for problems.
While 512 1 bracket tournament over 1 day is silly, it's not really MLG's fault because Blizzard didn't exactly tell them how they should handle it (and again, since Blizzard did come up with WCS in the first place, they should direct it more).
It's more of a hindsight thing potentially (MLG probably didn't expect these many problems in advance).
Well I guess Blizzard thought that MLG was capable to run a simple qualifying tournament!? It's hindsight to say that 1 tournament with 512 players isn't enough? Come on...
It just looks like MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible to run this and quite frankly they failed.
Yes, I agree that MLG wanted to use as few resources as possible but the fault still lies with Blizzard.
It's still their big WCS thing and if they don't give tournament organizers directions they need to follow or how to do anything exactly, then the potential for problems will exist.
Also when I say hindsight, MLG probably didn't know how many would try to qualify or whatever. They didn't even set or use a "only masters or higher" can participate restriction.
I highly doubt MLG would have done all this had they know what the reaction would be. They haven't really had any experience running anything like this (their open brackets are usually LAN or if they're online, they were usually done in a small scale and usually with an entrance fee). That's what I meant by its hindsight problem by MLG (of course it is still their fault for not taking it too seriously).
However, the main fault still lies with Blizzard because WCS is such a "supposedly" huge deal but yet Blizzard just left it to tournament organizers to do whatever they want with WCS.
Don't see how you can blame Blizzard for this tbh. They made this whole tournament system and were hoping at least the qualifiers could be arranged by the tournament organizers they put in charge for it. Guess they were wrong and next time they have to make everything and people will boo once more when a certain issue arrived cause of their then locked qualification system.
What I mean is how hard would it for Blizzard to say anyone that accepts the job has to run the qualification system across <x> days with at least <x> brackets with at least <x> players with or without requirements like Masters league or higher?
Blizzard just gave MLG the deal and didn't tell them what they did with it (or what they can or can't do).
They already set up how Premier and Challenger league works, how about Qualifications too?
People were complaining that MLG set up an entrance fee at $20 but yet the problem wasn't MLG, the problem was why was MLG allowed to do that in the first place? (Though I am okay with an entrance fee, but $20 was too high. An entrance fee would mean that only serious players would try out.)
Why isn't Blizzard handling and enforcing how things should be run? 'm not saying they should run it themselves but they should at least tell them to do it this way or that way.
On April 21 2013 12:26 shadymmj wrote: i'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that "diamond noobs" are just as deserving as MVP etc. when the regional tournament is first come first serve. there's nothing inherently wrong with that as it theoretically gives all interested parties an equal chance to participate.
Counter to your devil's advocate - Well "diamond noobs" will waste everyone's time when they qualify (or more realistically, when they meet an actual pro player in the qualifiers... unless the actual pros couldn't get into the qualifier in the first place and the qualifiers are just filled with random ladder players >.>) and get stomped in the actual tournament by actual pro players.
Now, I'm not saying random ladder players shouldn't have a chance but a minimum of Masters or higher, or a small entrance fee like $5-10 (MLG's initial $20 was ridiculously high) would at least allow people who are serious about trying to compete to win to participate.
On April 21 2013 12:26 shadymmj wrote: i'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that "diamond noobs" are just as deserving as MVP etc. when the regional tournament is first come first serve. there's nothing inherently wrong with that as it theoretically gives all interested parties an equal chance to participate.
I disagree Blizzard hosts these tournaments to help boost up the NA scene and potential give players a chance at making a name for themselves. A diamond player has no chance at this and honestly they are just wasting space that should go for more skilled players who commit more time and effort into the game.
On April 21 2013 12:26 shadymmj wrote: i'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that "diamond noobs" are just as deserving as MVP etc. when the regional tournament is first come first serve. there's nothing inherently wrong with that as it theoretically gives all interested parties an equal chance to participate.
I disagree Blizzard hosts these tournaments to help boost up the NA scene and potential give players a chance at making a name for themselves. A diamond player has no chance at this and honestly they are just wasting space that should go for more skilled players who commit more time and effort into the game.
When Blizzard was doing BlizzCon, China has couple players got their visa denied. When WCS/IEM was being hosted in China, same could be done onto the foreigner players. Remember one IEM event had to cancelled, due to too many protests in China?
Bottom line, it's too troublesome to handle events with problematic Chinese players who may or may not get their visa denied. In that case, the tournament organizers had to contact replacement in short amount of time, not worth the effort.
On April 21 2013 12:36 twndomn wrote: I really don't see the problem.
When Blizzard was doing BlizzCon, China has couple players got their visa denied. When WCS/IEM was being hosted in China, same could be done onto the foreigner players. Remember one IEM event had to cancelled, due to too many protests in China?
Bottom line, it's too troublesome to handle events with problematic Chinese players who may or may not get their visa denied. In that case, the tournament organizers had to contact replacement in short amount of time, not worth the effort.
sure lets never invite chinese players or some europeans because their visas MIGHT not get approved. lets run things based on things that MIGHT happen. sounds good. in other news, it MIGHT rain tomorrow so im not gonna go outside.
On April 21 2013 12:36 twndomn wrote: I really don't see the problem.
When Blizzard was doing BlizzCon, China has couple players got their visa denied. When WCS/IEM was being hosted in China, same could be done onto the foreigner players. Remember one IEM event had to cancelled, due to too many protests in China?
Bottom line, it's too troublesome to handle events with problematic Chinese players who may or may not get their visa denied. In that case, the tournament organizers had to contact replacement in short amount of time, not worth the effort.
the IEM was the problem between china and japan so the japanese event not happened in china that weekend, and iem was supposed to be AT that japanese event so it has nothing to do with any of the other problems ...
On April 21 2013 12:36 twndomn wrote: I really don't see the problem.
When Blizzard was doing BlizzCon, China has couple players got their visa denied. When WCS/IEM was being hosted in China, same could be done onto the foreigner players. Remember one IEM event had to cancelled, due to too many protests in China?
Bottom line, it's too troublesome to handle events with problematic Chinese players who may or may not get their visa denied. In that case, the tournament organizers had to contact replacement in short amount of time, not worth the effort.
sure lets never invite chinese players or some europeans because their visas MIGHT not get approved. lets run things based on things that MIGHT happen. sounds good. in other news, it MIGHT rain tomorrow so im not gonna outside.
jaeh the orga should invite them and talk to the gouv. right NOW for possibility for visa etc etc ,... cant be so hard to get a sportman even esportman in a country ... its not like they are poor farmer who would stay xD
It is really a joke that final 8 players in NA qualifier are KR and Chinese, even when MLG discriminates Chinese players. What a nice asian WCS championship~
On April 21 2013 12:36 twndomn wrote: I really don't see the problem.
When Blizzard was doing BlizzCon, China has couple players got their visa denied. When WCS/IEM was being hosted in China, same could be done onto the foreigner players. Remember one IEM event had to cancelled, due to too many protests in China?
Bottom line, it's too troublesome to handle events with problematic Chinese players who may or may not get their visa denied. In that case, the tournament organizers had to contact replacement in short amount of time, not worth the effort.
why are people surprised about MLG.. They've always been money grabbing showing favoritism all over running the things however they want as long as they profit off of it most... I'm not surprised at all.
On April 21 2013 12:36 twndomn wrote: I really don't see the problem.
When Blizzard was doing BlizzCon, China has couple players got their visa denied. When WCS/IEM was being hosted in China, same could be done onto the foreigner players. Remember one IEM event had to cancelled, due to too many protests in China?
Bottom line, it's too troublesome to handle events with problematic Chinese players who may or may not get their visa denied. In that case, the tournament organizers had to contact replacement in short amount of time, not worth the effort.
So? what you are saying is not making any sense.
He has a point, it is extremely difficult for Chinese people to get visas into USA, people get rejected for no reason at all and no recourse.
lot of Australian people I know who signed up also didn't get in, it's the luck that comes with a 512 player bracket I guess, they rather put in diamonds who lose 2-0 to everyone than players who can stand their ground -.-
Not entirely sure what to say. If half of the things I've heard about are true, the ball really got dropped here. Hopefully this all gets somehow rectified. However I for one won't hold my breath, the modus operandi has typically been 'will fix it next time'. Here is to the hopes it's not the case,
players from china, taiwan, australia etc have NA as their lowest latency region. it's basically the only place with semi-tolerable lag.
MLG is just a NA operation accustomed to operating on the assumption that they are a NA operation. blizzard literally dropped the baton in (not properly) handing them this new situation of non-NA players getting into the tourney, for WCS which is something that's intended to represent all sc2 players worldwide. this is a sudden and implicit expansion of their mission/goal.
MLG wants to develop the NA scene, which is fine. blizzard's wcs arrangement however, pretty much leaves non-korean asian players with nowhere to go but NA servers.
On April 21 2013 13:20 matt93 wrote: lot of Australian people I know who signed up also didn't get in, it's the luck that comes with a 512 player bracket I guess, they rather put in diamonds who lose 2-0 to everyone than players who can stand their ground -.-
MLG seeded EG guys, and see the EG guys' performance.
On April 21 2013 13:20 matt93 wrote: lot of Australian people I know who signed up also didn't get in, it's the luck that comes with a 512 player bracket I guess, they rather put in diamonds who lose 2-0 to everyone than players who can stand their ground -.-
MLG seeded EG guys, and see the EG guys' performance.
iirc Machine is the only EG player who did not go pretty far in this tournament. Don't understand your point.
On April 21 2013 13:20 matt93 wrote: lot of Australian people I know who signed up also didn't get in, it's the luck that comes with a 512 player bracket I guess, they rather put in diamonds who lose 2-0 to everyone than players who can stand their ground -.-
MLG seeded EG guys, and see the EG guys' performance.
iirc Machine is the only EG player who did not go pretty far in this tournament. Don't understand your point.
On April 21 2013 04:37 MCXD wrote: MLG restricting it to one 512 man qualifier was idiotic from the start considering that there was 1024+ on some EU days; and there were four of those.
I definitely liked ESL format better, was a great week of SC2 watching everyone try each day!
On April 21 2013 13:20 matt93 wrote: lot of Australian people I know who signed up also didn't get in, it's the luck that comes with a 512 player bracket I guess, they rather put in diamonds who lose 2-0 to everyone than players who can stand their ground -.-
MLG seeded EG guys, and see the EG guys' performance.
iirc Machine is the only EG player who did not go pretty far in this tournament. Don't understand your point.
On April 21 2013 13:20 matt93 wrote: lot of Australian people I know who signed up also didn't get in, it's the luck that comes with a 512 player bracket I guess, they rather put in diamonds who lose 2-0 to everyone than players who can stand their ground -.-
MLG seeded EG guys, and see the EG guys' performance.
iirc Machine is the only EG player who did not go pretty far in this tournament. Don't understand your point.
Anyway, this is WCS Asia now.
Maybe is time to practice :D
Why practice if you can just cry to Blizzard until they ban everyone else?
Pretty typical for Blizzard these days, so much talk/publicity but the execution's a mess. It's only fitting WCS will climax at Blizzcon, the home of fail eSports events.
On April 21 2013 16:39 digmouse wrote: Rumors say Fruitbasket is Comm, maybe he is using other's account, gonna double check on that
What ever Fruitbasket real name is, he is a chinese player, and he start from begining to top 8, and not someone said from second round a progamer took his account and play on that name.
What the hell is going on? Simply based on name value alone I can say these three players deserve a spot into qualifiers and I'm sure they have done what they needed to do as stated by OP. Explanation please? I hope MLG didn't screw up on this one.
On April 21 2013 12:26 shadymmj wrote: i'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say that "diamond noobs" are just as deserving as MVP etc. when the regional tournament is first come first serve. there's nothing inherently wrong with that as it theoretically gives all interested parties an equal chance to participate.
I disagree Blizzard hosts these tournaments to help boost up the NA scene and potential give players a chance at making a name for themselves. A diamond player has no chance at this and honestly they are just wasting space that should go for more skilled players who commit more time and effort into the game.
...and yet they couldn't put in the effort to be first in the queue?
you may think that a person who is going to get horribly stomped is wasting everybody's time, but that's your opinion. i think it is more than likely that the person knows he's not going to win. in fact, he probably knew that he wouldn't get past the first round.
maybe he's in it for the experience, for a personal challenge, or some unfathomable reason. but that per se is not problematic. 99% of players have their reasons for participating in an open tournament and who are you to judge whether they are worthy reasons or not?
ok people move on nothing to see here, is not like we dont know that MLG fucks up WCS and online tournamemts all the time. They also dont care about our complains and WCS will continue as they wish.
Chinese players like FruitBaskets and ZooTop were quite well played in the yesterday's match, especially Top, who beated up incontrol and machine in a row with the score of 2-0. That's really a slap to the MLG which weren't pay enough attention to Chinese progamers like Jim, XY and others, who are far much better than ZooTop. They talented players lost great chances to make brilliant show-up in the WCS NA premier 1st season. That's a shame.
On April 21 2013 20:25 Grimmyman123 wrote: I'm still scratching my head as how how non north or south american players are registered in a north american qualifier.
I thought the qualifiers were supposed to reflect the best players of each region.
China and SEA didnt get regions so they were told to just play in the other ones
On April 21 2013 20:25 Grimmyman123 wrote: I'm still scratching my head as how how non north or south american players are registered in a north american qualifier.
I thought the qualifiers were supposed to reflect the best players of each region.
WCS made the rules that players are not restriced to their residence just to make matches more exciting, attract more viewers and improve regional starcraft II levels. But results now, that 4 koreans promoted to the Premier League, are not that satisfying.
On April 21 2013 20:25 Grimmyman123 wrote: I'm still scratching my head as how how non north or south american players are registered in a north american qualifier.
I thought the qualifiers were supposed to reflect the best players of each region.
WCS made the rules that players are not restriced to their residence just to make matches more exciting, attract more viewers and improve regional starcraft II levels. But results now, that 4 koreans promoted to the Premier League, are not that satisfying.
Its funny the corporate and managmenet mentality.
Just because one says it will be exciting etc etc but the realistic thinkin is that players from dominant regions will abuse the rule and will play in a different qualifier so as to avoid heavier competitition... well what do you think is gonna happen?
Since my country probably won't be represented, I honestly won't (again) watch another tournament, because it wont be exciting.
I wish MLG could solve the problems as soon as possible. There are many thousands of fans in China or so waiting for the response from officials. But I couldn't make sure what is he talking about by "que times". Is that mean Chinese players missed the time? Anybody plz tell me the correct meaning of that, thx.
On April 21 2013 21:10 Grimmyman123 wrote: Since my country probably won't be represented, I honestly won't (again) watch another tournament, because it wont be exciting.
This is PRECISELY why I scold Blizzard for making this year's WCS the way it is right now.
No offense, but I don't care what country you are from. The important part is, seeing how far these symbols of national pride, these players from the countries that we support the most, and seeing how far they make it in what is the most single prestigious yearly tournament in the world.
TL;DR - Restore WCS to the year 2012's format, the screwups we've seen this year are just too vast.
I wish MLG could solve the problems as soon as possible. There are many thousands of fans in China or so waiting for the response from officials. But I couldn't make sure what is he talking about by "que times". Is that mean Chinese players missed the time? Anybody plz tell me the correct meaning of that, thx.
I think they missed the sign up time and didn't get in. Sundance wants anyone who can play to play and I generally trust him when hes people were late.
On April 21 2013 20:25 Grimmyman123 wrote: I'm still scratching my head as how how non north or south american players are registered in a north american qualifier.
I thought the qualifiers were supposed to reflect the best players of each region.
WCS made the rules that players are not restriced to their residence just to make matches more exciting, attract more viewers and improve regional starcraft II levels. But results now, that 4 koreans promoted to the Premier League, are not that satisfying.
Its funny the corporate and managmenet mentality.
Just because one says it will be exciting etc etc but the realistic thinkin is that players from dominant regions will abuse the rule and will play in a different qualifier so as to avoid heavier competitition... well what do you think is gonna happen?
Since my country probably won't be represented, I honestly won't (again) watch another tournament, because it wont be exciting.
Your country (I'm assuming Canada) has Scarlett and Huk representing it in the Premier League. Those two are probably the only ones who even have a chance in a real world-wide tournament anyway, so I don't know why you're so upset about the lack of representation.
Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
Edison，这是宾哥。。。
你如果真真的是edison，发给我个消息在QQ上。
Of course he isn't Edison. You see the location is Australia? He is just one guy banned from the Neotv forum and wanna make a revenge everywhere and to spam on this threads. I know you, BreakerSC2! You made a great streaming of Xigua that day and I'm one of your fans. I even followed you on Sina Weibo <3
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
Edison，这是宾哥。。。
你如果真真的是edison，发给我个消息在QQ上。
Of course he isn't Edison. You see the location is Australia? He is just one guy banned from the Neotv forum and wanna make a revenge everywhere and to spam on this threads. I know you, BreakerSC2! You made a great streaming of Xigua that day and I'm one of your fans. I even followed you on Sina Weibo <3
Thank you. I do my best to moderate what I can.
I do my best to help spread esports to the Chinese scene as well.
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
Edison，这是宾哥。。。
你如果真真的是edison，发给我个消息在QQ上。
Of course he isn't Edison. You see the location is Australia? He is just one guy banned from the Neotv forum and wanna make a revenge everywhere and to spam on this threads. I know you, BreakerSC2! You made a great streaming of Xigua that day and I'm one of your fans. I even followed you on Sina Weibo <3
Thank you. I do my best to moderate what I can.
I do my best to help spread esports to the Chinese scene as well.
I really appreciate your effort working on spreading esports to Chinese communities. You are quite a nice guy that loving Starcraft. I saw your post on the Neotv forum and I knew that your apology is not neccessary cuz MLG should be fully responsible for the mess now. Thanks for your support for Chinese SC II <3
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote: Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.
Edison，这是宾哥。。。
你如果真真的是edison，发给我个消息在QQ上。
This one is a troller. WTF
It's a troll, I'll ask a mod to ban him, this guy was banned from neotv for trash talking chinese pros.
That pretty much clears that up. They showed up late, got put in the que and didn't get in. Life is hard, get a helmet and a watch. I love the people claiming that MLG shut them out for some reason, because they have something to gain from that.
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...
Well we don't have the whole discussion, only the part that benefits the Chinese players. I am willing to bet there was a discussion earlier where they were informed they were late.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...
agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...
Wait, if they were late, then how did MacSed get in the bracket? And if they weren't late, then why were Jim and XY left out? They registered and checked in at the same time, didn't they?
Also, it's really not helping Sundance's case that he can't spell "queue"...
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it (in English or in Chinese, depending on which language is needed more).
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
On April 22 2013 01:37 Kentredenite wrote: Wait, if they were late, then how did MacSed get in the bracket? And if they weren't late, then why were Jim and XY left out? They registered and checked in at the same time, didn't they?
Also, it's really not helping Sundance's case that he can't spell "queue"...
that's twitter's fault, please don't nitpick something as insignificant as that -_-
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...
agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...
I want to see the rest of that discussion, rather than the part the Chinese players have selected to show claim they showed up on time. Otherwise it is just a game of "he said, she said".
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes.
Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know.
iGEdison 0:33:24 但是我问的问题是 能不能在bracket里面 懂了吗？ iGEdison 0:34:59 反正我问的是能不能在BRACKET里面 这边回复是GOOD TO GO 然后我一直在等 后来我还问怎么BRACKET里面没有 他的回复是it's not the final bracket 那你觉得换了是你，如何理解她的话的意思？ iGEdison 0:35:53 后面那段是。。 我问is it the final bracket 他回答no,it's not 然后最终对阵表出来后。。 我各种问什么情况 iGEdison 0:36:56 他丢了个hammertime的管理员给我 说他能解决我的问题 但是这个hammertime除了和我说i do apologize以外。。没有实质性的东西。。 最后我只能去找jason 可是还是因为对阵表已经出来了。。而且在打了 iGEdison 0:37:56 所以无法改变
On April 22 2013 01:37 Kentredenite wrote: Wait, if they were late, then how did MacSed get in the bracket? And if they weren't late, then why were Jim and XY left out? They registered and checked in at the same time, didn't they?
Also, it's really not helping Sundance's case that he can't spell "queue"...
that's twitter's fault, please don't nitpick something as insignificant as that -_-
I don't see why it would be twitter's fault that MacSed got in and Jim and XY didn't...
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...
agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...
I want to see the rest of that discussion, rather than the part the Chinese players have selected to show claim they showed up on time. Otherwise it is just a game of "he said, she said".
While that would be lovely, the part provided leaves little room to multiple understandings.
Someone saying "They are all checked in and good to go", it doesn't sound like what Sundance is trying to portrait, like they were in queue. Specially the "good to go", this doesn't sound like queue.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...
agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...
I want to see the rest of that discussion, rather than the part the Chinese players have selected to show claim they showed up on time. Otherwise it is just a game of "he said, she said".
While that would be lovely, the part provided leaves little room to multiple understandings.
Someone saying "They are all checked in and good to go", it doesn't sound like what Sundance is trying to portrait, like they were in queue. Specially the "good to go", this doesn't sound like queue.
Because the discussion could be: "Your late and its first come first server. I put you into the que, but we only have so many slots."
Frankly, when I first read the screen shot I assumed "good to go" meant they were checked in. Being checked did not guarantee you a spot. "Good to go" is just to ambiguous of a response though. Especially when you are speaking to someone in what might not be there first language. Really is a shame because people like Jim and Comm had a legitimate chance to qualify.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
look at the time in the chat, 22:17 in Beijing Time is just 10:17 EST. The check-in started in 10:00 EST
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes.
Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know.
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
What an awful post. China doesn't have it's own qualifiers, the whole WCS situation was announced only a few weeks ago, do you expect these players to just automatically have flights booked to Korea to participate out of nowhere? These players basically needed to go in the online qualifiers without any other choice, and now they'll have to wait till the next season to even participate.
Next season had better be more accommodating, or I could imagine a lot of people just ignoring the following seasons.
That pretty much clears that up. They showed up late, got put in the que and didn't get in. Life is hard, get a helmet and a watch. I love the people claiming that MLG shut them out for some reason, because they have something to gain from that.
Look at the time on that screenshot, they weren't late, and the admin said they are good to go. 21:50 was the check in time for them, they checked in, and waited for brackets to generate, and when the bracket generated their players didn't show up on the list, so they immediately looked for admin on b.net channel. The time from beginning of check in time to bracket generating and this screenshot took less than 20 minutes. They were not late.
Sundance and co looking mighty dodgy yet again... It's yet another of those old either lying or incompetent situations... Place your bets how long before we get the old we messed up speech before they carry on regardless...
My guess is they've just run the qualifier really badly and the admin didn't know what he was talking about... Lets blame blizzard for the lack of automated tournaments, and starting the trend of massively discriminating against the Chinese player base.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Chinese players did get here on time, look at the time on the screenshot
That pretty much clears that up. They showed up late, got put in the que and didn't get in. Life is hard, get a helmet and a watch. I love the people claiming that MLG shut them out for some reason, because they have something to gain from that.
Look at the time on that screenshot, they weren't late, and the admin said they are good to go. 21:50 was the check in time for them, they checked in, and waited for brackets to generate, and when the bracket generated their players didn't show up on the list, so they immediately looked for admin on b.net channel. The time from beginning of check in time to bracket generating and this screenshot took less than 20 minutes. They were not late.
From my understanding the brackets for first come, first served. They were later than everyone else. This is what happens when you have an open, free qualifier than anyone with an copy of SC2 can sign up for.
Also, I don't know if that clock is based on the internal clock of the PC or the B.net clock.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
I heard that iG.Macsed made it in, but really nobody else was able to. His teammates signed up at the same time as him, and they were all in the same geographic location when they did, even in same training house I would bet.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes.
Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know.
iGEdison 0:33:24 但是我问的问题是 能不能在bracket里面 懂了吗？ iGEdison 0:34:59 反正我问的是能不能在BRACKET里面 这边回复是GOOD TO GO 然后我一直在等 后来我还问怎么BRACKET里面没有 他的回复是it's not the final bracket 那你觉得换了是你，如何理解她的话的意思？ iGEdison 0:35:53 后面那段是。。 我问is it the final bracket 他回答no,it's not 然后最终对阵表出来后。。 我各种问什么情况 iGEdison 0:36:56 他丢了个hammertime的管理员给我 说他能解决我的问题 但是这个hammertime除了和我说i do apologize以外。。没有实质性的东西。。 最后我只能去找jason 可是还是因为对阵表已经出来了。。而且在打了 iGEdison 0:37:56 所以无法改变
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes.
Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes.
Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Notice that this was at 22:26, so later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
They dropped the ball here, they need to make up for this somehow. like for example, Seed one of the Chinese into the next stage and fly them over for the lan event.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes.
Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know.
I can provide original conversation if needed.
you should, for clarity
Added for reference.
where?
I think he means that is a "bookmark post". He should be posting again shortly.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
It could be seen clearly from the result that some famous Chinese progamers, like Jim and others, were not seeded automatically into the brackets. And MacSed is #151, which greatly beyond the "preserved slots". So the fact is that WCS doesn't care about non-Amercian/Korean progamers who are from SEA and CN.
How ridiculous! There are no WCS regional leaues in CN and WCS NA is the only hope (compared to the high lagacy to EU) for Chinese progamers, but the MLG just kicked them outta the brackets.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
So there were favoritism involved, as unequal treatment and certain people were late and that was okay and they could join anyway? O_o
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
What an awful post. China doesn't have it's own qualifiers, the whole WCS situation was announced only a few weeks ago, do you expect these players to just automatically have flights booked to Korea to participate out of nowhere? These players basically needed to go in the online qualifiers without any other choice, and now they'll have to wait till the next season to even participate.
Next season had better be more accommodating, or I could imagine a lot of people just ignoring the following seasons.
nah stop saying about people ignoring or boycotting tournament. As long as Blizzard could provide a big fat check and all the pros participate, people will be watching, I'll be watching.
Sure organizing could be better but it's not like the whole continent got fucked over or something, it's rather a very small minority (in which HotS isnt even released in their country to begin with lol). Stop nitpicking, stop hating
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
What happened in EU? it was open for everybody and there was no problem. Don't pity the pros, it's their job and if they lose to a diamond player in a BO1 then shame on them. The only thing that could have happened if it was open for everyone would be upsets between NA pros and NA non-pros.
The seedings are strange, look at them: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_America/Premier It looks like they needed protoss players so they invited Hellokitty, minigun, capoch (americans) and state this is why they didn't invite demu nor jym even tough they are better.
By the way Sundance and mlg needs to realize by having Chinese players in this shit, they would have a lot of viewers and attnetion from China, it's just good business to include the Chinese players, this is evident that they have never thought this through in the business end of things.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
Why did it have to be just one tournament?
ESL organised four, and one of them had a 1024 bracket, and the other a 2048 bracket.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
You act like an admin needs to be hired for every Bo3.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
You act like an admin needs to be hired for every Bo3.
When you're letting admitted hackers play, and ignoring everyone who says 'I just lost to maphacker' until a relevant player (Catz) gets defeated, you clearly need better moderation.
On April 22 2013 02:15 Patate wrote: Why can Koreans even play in the AMERICAN section of the tournament?
I know watching sub-par level of play is not as good, but still..
Yeah, and none of the four players who qualified today would stand a chance in the Ro32 of Code S. They're all Code B Koreans.
That does say something about the skill level of the Americas though.
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
You act like an admin needs to be hired for every Bo3.
You act like running an event like this is easy and they should be able to do it all the time. Also, the poster above has a point that hackers made their way into the event, so there clearly needs to be better oversight.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
On April 22 2013 01:48 vinsang1000 wrote: It's absurd anyway, it's supposed to be the World Championship Starcraft . How can you limit the entrance number to 512 people..
The biggest problem with this, was it (the tournament) being completely open, so bad players could take the good players spots. Were some players automatically seeded into the tournament? If so, they chinese Pro players should have had a spot there as well :/
Your right, they should have had everyone with copy of SC2 signed up and had a bracket of 4 million players. Then we would have known who was the best.
This is a response to... what?
The person who was upset that the bracket was ONLY 512 people. Only 512.
We have to jump from 512 to 4 million? There's nothing in between?
Because a 512 man bracket double elimination is INSANE. That is so many BO3 to manage.
They're the ones who chose to do that format. Nobody forced them to run one double elimination tournament with all BO3.
Registration was open long before the actual tournament - surely they knew they were going to have far more than 512 players signed up. Yet they chose to go ahead with a format that would exclude a large proportion of the people wanting to play. They chose to exclude people not based on their merit or lack thereof, but based on their time of registration. Surely you can see why people might have issues with that.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
Tell that to the players that played in the EU qualifiers. EU had a free, open qualifier, yet no one was left out.
I dont see why they couldnt have done a registration priority like GSL does. 1) pro players 2) masters league x # of points 3) everyone else until the bracket is full something like that. GSL has been doing it for a while. It's not like MLG opened up the registration for WCS yesterday
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome [quote]
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
It an open qualifier, first come, first served. The community wanted it to be free and this is what happens when there is no barrier to entry. I don't want gold level scrubs getting slots your players should have, but this is the system that is in place. That is why MGL hedged out slots in the brackets to assure professional players on NA teams would be in the bracket. The Chinese players should lobby MLG for one of those in the next qualifier for NA code A.
On April 22 2013 02:19 Shellshock1122 wrote: I dont see why they couldnt have done a registration priority like GSL does. 1) pro players 2) masters league x # of points 3) everyone else until the bracket is full something like that. GSL has been doing it for a while. It's not like MLG opened up the registration for WCS yesterday
I agree. The only issue I can see is that they might have trouble defining "pro player". For GSL all they have to do is point at eSF and KeSPA teams. But I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult, and iG must qualify as a pro team by any definition they could use.
On April 22 2013 02:19 Shellshock1122 wrote: I dont see why they couldnt have done a registration priority like GSL does. 1) pro players 2) masters league x # of points 3) everyone else until the bracket is full something like that. GSL has been doing it for a while. It's not like MLG opened up the registration for WCS yesterday
I agree. The only issue I can see is that they might have trouble defining "pro player". For GSL all they have to do is point at eSF and KeSPA teams. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult, and iG must qualify as a pro team by any definition they could use.
yeah I was just using general terms to just make a series of categories. They'd definitely have to be more specific. I don't think it would be that hard to implement.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome [quote]
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
On April 22 2013 02:19 Shellshock1122 wrote: I dont see why they couldnt have done a registration priority like GSL does. 1) pro players 2) masters league x # of points 3) everyone else until the bracket is full something like that. GSL has been doing it for a while. It's not like MLG opened up the registration for WCS yesterday
I agree. The only issue I can see is that they might have trouble defining "pro player". For GSL all they have to do is point at eSF and KeSPA teams. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult, and iG must qualify as a pro team by any definition they could use.
yeah I was just using general terms to just make a series of categories. They'd definitely have to be more specific. I don't think it would be that hard to implement.
MacSed and Xigua were both former GSL competitors. If that isn't pro, then I dont know what is.
Speaking of MacSed, I want to give him a huge shout out and say good luck to the guy right here and right now. It's almost 1:30 in the morning for him when this tournament resumes.
中国不忘！中国不忘！(China will not perish. China will not perish!)
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome [quote]
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
I don't find it odd. There was 64 slots in the bracket reserved by MLG for established players on NA teams, which including your players on TL and likely a bunch of EG guys. MLG did this because they knew of the flaws in the system and didn't want any professional players screwed by it. They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
This is what happens when you have an open, free qualifier with no cut off or barrier to entry. Those sorts of systems suck and lead to good players being left out. I was one of the supporters of MLG when they were charging $20 to try out and I felt it was a bad choice to remove it. Unlimited sign up with no risk suck and bad players take the slots that great, professional players should have.
With the amount of hacking and other non-sense, the community needs to accept that the leagues need to limit the number of players who try out to the people who care most. An entry fee is a good way to do that.
I also see 21 walkovers reported in the first round of the MLG bracket. Where they not using the queue to fill in the walkovers? or were they just giving all of those people the benefit of the doubt that they would show up for their losers' bracket match?
On April 22 2013 02:19 Shellshock1122 wrote: I dont see why they couldnt have done a registration priority like GSL does. 1) pro players 2) masters league x # of points 3) everyone else until the bracket is full something like that. GSL has been doing it for a while. It's not like MLG opened up the registration for WCS yesterday
I agree. The only issue I can see is that they might have trouble defining "pro player". For GSL all they have to do is point at eSF and KeSPA teams. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult, and iG must qualify as a pro team by any definition they could use.
yeah I was just using general terms to just make a series of categories. They'd definitely have to be more specific. I don't think it would be that hard to implement.
MacSed and Xigua were both former GSL competitors. If that isn't pro, then I dont know what is.
Speaking of MacSed, I want to give him a huge shout out and say good luck to the guy right here and right now. It's almost 1:30 in the morning for him when this tournament resumes.
中国不忘！中国不忘！(China will not perish. China will not perish!)
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
I don't find it odd. There was 64 slots in the bracket reserved by MLG for established players on NA teams, which including your players on TL and likely a bunch of EG guys. MLG did this because they knew of the flaws in the system and didn't want any professional players screwed by it. They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
This is what happens when you have an open, free qualifier with no cut off or barrier to entry. Those sorts of systems suck and lead to good players being left out. I was one of the supporters of MLG when they were charging $20 to try out and I felt it was a bad choice to remove it. Unlimited sign up with no risk suck and bad players take the slots that great, professional players should have.
With the amount of hacking and other non-sense, the community needs to accept that the leagues need to limit the number of players who try out to the people who care most. An entry fee is a good way to do that.
you are in SC business and you never heard of WCS China champion? and Jim who almost all killed EG?
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
I don't find it odd. There was 64 slots in the bracket reserved by MLG for established players on NA teams, which including your players on TL and likely a bunch of EG guys. MLG did this because they knew of the flaws in the system and didn't want any professional players screwed by it. They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
This is what happens when you have an open, free qualifier with no cut off or barrier to entry. Those sorts of systems suck and lead to good players being left out. I was one of the supporters of MLG when they were charging $20 to try out and I felt it was a bad choice to remove it. Unlimited sign up with no risk suck and bad players take the slots that great, professional players should have.
With the amount of hacking and other non-sense, the community needs to accept that the leagues need to limit the number of players who try out to the people who care most. An entry fee is a good way to do that.
Then they should name it something else than open qualifier, also it went fine with EU qualifiers, everyone who wanted to attend got in.
On April 22 2013 02:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: I also see 21 walkovers reported in the first round of the MLG bracket. Where they not using the queue to fill in the walkovers? or were they just giving all of those people the benefit of the doubt that they would show up for their losers' bracket match?
Wait, why didn't they fill the WO slots with people who wanted to attend o_O. The people from China actually could had filled the slots for the people who did not show up.
I don't know if Plansix have a clue what he is talking about... Regarding the Qualifier just compare it to EU Qualifier. It was also free for everyone and they handled RO2048 and all profesional players had no problem to get in. The next thing is, how can they reserve 64 !!!! Spots for teams like EG??? Under these 64 reserverd Spots i bet there were also just bad players since EG+TL dont have 64 Players in their Roster. So you clearly reserve Spots for Players that are likely far worse than Jim etc.. The whole Organisation is just a mess...
Edit: You say they might have overlooked them because you don't even know them.. That's such a troll statement. It just tells me that you arn't familiar with the sc2 scene. And if MLG overlooked them it wouldn't be profesional at all..
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
I don't find it odd. There was 64 slots in the bracket reserved by MLG for established players on NA teams, which including your players on TL and likely a bunch of EG guys. MLG did this because they knew of the flaws in the system and didn't want any professional players screwed by it. They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
This is what happens when you have an open, free qualifier with no cut off or barrier to entry. Those sorts of systems suck and lead to good players being left out. I was one of the supporters of MLG when they were charging $20 to try out and I felt it was a bad choice to remove it. Unlimited sign up with no risk suck and bad players take the slots that great, professional players should have.
With the amount of hacking and other non-sense, the community needs to accept that the leagues need to limit the number of players who try out to the people who care most. An entry fee is a good way to do that.
you are in SC business and you never heard of WCS China champion? and Jim who almost all killed EG?
I can only remember so many things and remembering every single winner of every single event in SC2 is not possible. I did know of Jim because Mr. Bitter hyped him up quite a bit.
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote: any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome [quote]
I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
MacSed and Xigua were both former GSL competitors. If that isn't pro, then I dont know what is.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
These Chinese players left out are professional players... They are, in fact, very well known.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote: [quote]I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
...And that brings us back to "They are all checked in and good to go."
On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote: [quote]I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
...And that brings us back to "They are all checked in and good to go."
They were checked into a cue of 1000 players all going for 512 spots. 488 of those people did not get in.
On April 22 2013 01:46 Enders116 wrote: [quote]I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
B.S. , for pros it is, they are locked in NA and their point is way behind to others, Code S=/= Code A
On April 22 2013 01:49 Plansix wrote: [quote] Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
Lol.... You know that they have to earn points to get into the regional finals right?? The chance to get into the finals when u play the first season in challenger league is not that high. And you just say "it isn't the end of world"... Sounds odd to you but maybe chinese players who havn't their own Qualifier want to participate in the Grand Finals too. Getting seeded into Challenger league because MLG failed is not the position you want to be in..
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
Lol.... You know that they have to earn points to get into the regional finals right?? The chance to get into the finals when u play the first season in challenger league is not that high. And you just say "it isn't the end of world"... Sounds akward to you but maybe chinese players who havn't their own Qualifier want to participate in the Grand Finals too. Getting seeded into Challenger league is not the position you want to be in..
We don't even have code A for this season for NA, so they would qualify for that instead. Its not the end of the world, though people are going to act like it is.
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Sundance lied, screenshot is evidence in the OP, they didn't miss the queue time.
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
It an open qualifier, first come, first served. The community wanted it to be free and this is what happens when there is no barrier to entry. I don't want gold level scrubs getting slots your players should have, but this is the system that is in place. That is why MGL hedged out slots in the brackets to assure professional players on NA teams would be in the bracket. The Chinese players should lobby MLG for one of those in the next qualifier for NA code A.
It doesn't have to cost money to make sure the best players will get slots. MLG was contacted way ahead of time by the chinese players so there is really no excuse to not blame this on MLG.
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote: [quote] MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
Accordingly to Plansix, MLG reserved 64 spots for players of teams that MLG is used to work with.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
Check-in will take place on Saturday, April 20 from 10am – 12:50pm ET. MLG will reserve 64 spots in the bracket for invited players.
64 slots for invited players A/K/A professional players who did not get invited to the premiere division. This was put in place because MLG knew that open qualifiers were going to be a mess and they needed to assure that no professional players were going to be left out. The Chinese players got overlooked, which sucks, but happens.
"sucks, happens" so easy to say aren't they? i wonder what your response would be if someone crashed your dream/effort with those words
There is another qualifier in a couple of months. Season one is going to end in June. This isn't the end of the world and they can work with MLG for next season. This isn't the end of the world in any way.
Lol.... You know that they have to earn points to get into the regional finals right?? The chance to get into the finals when u play the first season in challenger league is not that high. And you just say "it isn't the end of world"... Sounds akward to you but maybe chinese players who havn't their own Qualifier want to participate in the Grand Finals too. Getting seeded into Challenger league is not the position you want to be in..
We don't even have code A for this season for NA, so they would qualify for that instead. Its not the end of the world, though people are going to act like it is.
Your statement makes no sense.. You have a challenger league this season in NA. And being placed in that is pretty much "the end of the world" since it is so much harder to get points since you must earn them in only 2 seasons. Would be interesting what for example EG would say when Jeadong would be overlooked and get into challenger league. i don't think EG would say that it isn't "the end of the world"
I don't know how anyone can defend MLG on this. Having only 1 512 person qualifier is inexcusable. They could have easily done 1000+ like esl did. This was just MLG skimping on resources and because of that decision they deserve every bit of criticism. This situation could have been easily avoided.
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
It an open qualifier, first come, first served. The community wanted it to be free and this is what happens when there is no barrier to entry. I don't want gold level scrubs getting slots your players should have, but this is the system that is in place. That is why MGL hedged out slots in the brackets to assure professional players on NA teams would be in the bracket. The Chinese players should lobby MLG for one of those in the next qualifier for NA code A.
They didnt need to cap their qualifier, they could have done things better and differently, we have the proof look at the EU qualifiers, they went perfectly. Saying "this is the system that is in place" is just stupid, it's not a good system so it's normal for people to whine about it.
Some pros and teams didn't know the qualifier was capped, that's their own fault but everybody would trade a full BO3 with LB 512men qualifiers with a big one not capped and BO1 in the firsts rounds. Players want to be in the Premier league? Then don't lose to diamond players who cheese you in this BO1. They traded BO3 and LB for a cap thinking it was more fair but it's actually the contrary : almost every chinese pros won't participate in the first season of WCS NA (remember that there is only this qualifier for both the premier and challenger league which is retarded again).
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
MacSed and Xigua were both former GSL competitors. If that isn't pro, then I dont know what is.
thats like 2010 or something lol
GSL 2012 Season 1, stop being ignorant.
I agree with the above quote. I can summarize your life with a single sentence and a TERRIBLE guess at what you are, but who the hell gave me the right to do that? I am an eSports caster and I was trained to do thorough research on every player that I cast. And that research stems from learning another language for 5+ years, and a great deal of it comes from reading information from untranslated primary sources, which are the most accurate forms of information.
Aside from that a non-korean, I use this term instead of the term foreigner, (because you seem to lump people and make rash generalizations, and I just do my best to clarify this to people like you), a non-Korean GSL competitor going to the GSL is not an easy task. Stephano. Idra. Jinro. Sen. You can add names like MacSed and XiGua to that list.
On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote: [quote] MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote: [quote] MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way.
Just because you do your job bad, doesn't mean it's ok for MLG to do their jobs bad too. Of course MLG should have given people clearer answers.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
lol. you are a PR disaster, if you work for MLG, stop posting your non-sense.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
I already thanked you for clarifying the situation in the posts above, lol.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
But Alive is on EG and there were 64 slots reserved by MLG for professional players, as explained before. This was announced at the same time the rules for the qualifiers were made public.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
They register in top 512, and not listed in bracket, thats what i am saying here. If they are not register in top 512, there will be no complain.
On April 22 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: [quote] They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
But Alive is on EG and there were 64 slots reserved by MLG for professional players, as explained before. This was announced at the same time the rules for the qualifiers were made public.
Cool, which means 64 people from top 512 will lost their space .
On April 22 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: [quote] They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
They register in top 512, and not listed in bracket, thats what i am saying here. If they are not register in top 512, there will be no complain.
Do you have a link for that information? I can't find where any of the Chinese players signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
Yeah ok everybody should know now, that the rules regarding the spots were clear and that players like Oz and Alicia signed up so late because they had reserved slots. But the key is why are there reserve Slots for worse players and why MLG messed up the whole Qualifier so badly. And why for example MacSad got a slot and other iG Members didn't though they all registered at the same time??? Don't understand how you can defend MLG for this mess. And i bet u don't have an answer to that key points since you don't work for MLG, hopefully
Really sad for China. I don't see a lot of their players, but the few games I have seen I was very taken with. These guys deserve to have a place in WCS, but the way it's set up good players are going to get screwed in droves.
Firstly, the open bracket needed to be waaay bigger, but MLG needed to communicate that there was a que in light of the fact that it wasn't bigger.
That being said, I think people are overreacting to the "good to go" comment. That wasn't the mistake, the mistake was not communicating to the general public that there was a que, and that it was going to work on a first come first serve basis. I have to imagine the false hope is the more painful part of the experience.
It is a big deal for these players because they are essentially screwed out of the global finals unless a bunch of low point players upset all the seeds from this season.
Next year will be better, so it isn't totally the end of the world. Still, that's a fucking long time to wait. + Show Spoiler +
MLG flies Chinese players to Spring Championships for a showmatch event to make up for it?
On April 22 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: [quote] They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
Yeah ok everybody should know now, that the rules regarding the spots were clear and that players like Oz and Alicia signed up so late because they had reserved slots. But the key is why are there reserve Slots for worse players and why MLG messed up the whole Qualifier so badly. And why for example MacSad got a slot and other iG Members didn't though they all registered at the same time??? Don't understand how you can defend MLG for this mess. And i bet u don't have an answer to that key point sice you don't work for MLG, hopefully
Did all the players register at the same time? How do we know that? I can only find the registration times for the players who were in the event.
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
They register in top 512, and not listed in bracket, thats what i am saying here. If they are not register in top 512, there will be no complain.
Do you have a link for that information? I can't find where any of the Chinese players signed up.
Some of the Chinese players should have been seeded. Really poor form that none of them were, even based on WCS results.
The fact they weren't meant that they more than anyone should have been absolutely cast iron guaranteed to be in the 512 person line-up. But of course they aren't on famous teams. MLG has shown themselves to be utterly incompetent in running these qualifiers. After ESL's screw ups they now seem like masters of organisation in comparison.
I'm going to take a shower and get on with my day... this is too depressing to stay here and keep debating on.
In closing I will say that I hope next year's WCS reverts to the 2012 year method. "When in Rome, do as Romans do." Blizzard marketed their product and the eSports market for everyone except China. HoTS isn't even released in China, which forces all Chinese pros to practice on the Korean server. Even worse is for them to have a chance at WCS finals, they have to compete on NA or EU.
I have an upcoming showmatch that will be sponsored by a team that will remain unnamed for the time being. My goal will be to show everyone in the western world just what kind of market can be found in China and Taiwan.
Thank you all for your time and intelligent contributions here.
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
Yeah ok everybody should know now, that the rules regarding the spots were clear and that players like Oz and Alicia signed up so late because they had reserved slots. But the key is why are there reserve Slots for worse players and why MLG messed up the whole Qualifier so badly. And why for example MacSad got a slot and other iG Members didn't though they all registered at the same time??? Don't understand how you can defend MLG for this mess. And i bet u don't have an answer to that key point sice you don't work for MLG, hopefully
Did all the players register at the same time? How do we know that? I can only find the registration times for the players who were in the event.
Mate, because of these late enroll seeds, MLG tick off people should be in the bracket, i am not only talking about chinese player, and also some players from SEA server.
On April 22 2013 03:24 Enders116 wrote: I'm going to take a shower and get on with my day... this is too depressing to stay here and keep debating on.
In closing I will say that I hope next year's WCS reverts to the 2012 year method. "When in Rome, do as Romans do." Blizzard marketed their product and the eSports market for everyone except China. HoTS isn't even released in China, which forces all Chinese pros to practice on the Korean server. Even worse is for them to have a chance at WCS finals, they have to compete on NA or EU.
I have an upcoming showmatch that will be sponsored by a team that will remain unnamed for the time being. My goal will be to show everyone in the western world just what kind of market can be found in China and Taiwan.
Thank you all for your time and intelligent contributions here.
Thank you for your support bin ge. Have a nice day ^^
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
Yeah ok everybody should know now, that the rules regarding the spots were clear and that players like Oz and Alicia signed up so late because they had reserved slots. But the key is why are there reserve Slots for worse players and why MLG messed up the whole Qualifier so badly. And why for example MacSad got a slot and other iG Members didn't though they all registered at the same time??? Don't understand how you can defend MLG for this mess. And i bet u don't have an answer to that key point sice you don't work for MLG, hopefully
Did all the players register at the same time? How do we know that? I can only find the registration times for the players who were in the event.
read the thread, was pointed out several times before.. Don't know how exact the sources are. Dosn't change that failure of MLG
Blizzard doesn't support the Chinese scene because there is no money there. Blizzard is in for this all for the money. Forcing streams to use Blizzards own twitch channels, and choosing the biggest 3 regions.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
OK I get it, at least there is indeed information.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
1. Claiming that an admin telling you that "you are checked in and good to go" is ambigous is nothing but ridiculous.
2. Who at MLG thought that the musical chairs concept "The first guys who register get to play" is a good way to run a World Championship?
This is an embarassment for SC2 and an insult to the Chinese community who got screwed over often enough already.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
1. Claiming that an admin telling you that "you are checked in and good to go" is ambigous is nothing but ridiculous.
2. Who at MLG thought that the musical chairs concept "The first guys who register get to play" is a good way to run a World Championship?
This is an embarassment for SC2 and an insult to the Chinese community who got screwed over often enough already.
Absolutely. Its an absolutely shameful reflection on MLG organisation as a whole. Their complete lack of communication about the issues apart from a few things which are completely insufficient also speaks volumes. They hope it will just go away. Their incompetence has affected the legitimacy of the whole tournament.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
Comm posted on the Chinese Starcraft II forum himself. I can confirm that cuz he has a IDENTIFIED badge in that forum and I'm one of the guys from that forum. Here is the orginal post in that Chinese community.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
OK I get it, at least there is indeed information.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
OK I get it, at least there is indeed information.
Yeah, I don't think there was misinformation, but it sounds like someone misread the rules and didn't realized some of the players signed up after the 512 slots were filled. I am sure if they knew, they would have contacted MLG before the day of the event to make sure their players made it into the bracket.
On April 22 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: [quote] They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
OK I get it, at least there is indeed information.
Yeah, I don't think there was misinformation, but it sounds like someone misread the rules and didn't realized some of the players signed up after the 512 slots were filled. I am sure if they knew, they would have contacted MLG before the day of the event to make sure their players made it into the bracket.
Ya, given the assumption that both player and admin had read the information regarding the check in procedure then the info the admin gave the Chinese makes perfect sense. It's clear that being checked in doesn't guarantee you a spot in the actual bracket.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
That banned guy posted under a fake account with iG coach's name several pages ago, he doesn't even know Comm isn't on iG anymore lol.
Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
On April 22 2013 04:04 digmouse wrote: Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
I don't think Blizzard has anything to do with this. It appears the teams have been communicating with MLG directly. I would check with MLG to see how to be communicate for future events and not rely on Blizzard.
On April 22 2013 04:04 digmouse wrote: Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
I don't think Blizzard has anything to do with this. It appears the teams have been communicating with MLG directly. I would check with MLG to see how to be communicate for future events and not rely on Blizzard.
blizzard not having anything to do with their big tournament that is supposed to save le esports is a part of the problem, not an excuse. MLG is not used to running a non-NA tournament, which this one is due to the fact Blizzard did not provide any non-korean asian tournament and only NA servers had playable ping for those players.
This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
There's a lot of thing said in this thread. Can a mod confirm a fact or two and get it added to the OP? Why were they actually omitted from the bracket?
On April 22 2013 07:08 Inimic wrote: There's a lot of thing said in this thread. Can a mod confirm a fact or two and get it added to the OP? Why were they actually omitted from the bracket?
Or are the mods just for bans?
Some of the players were not included in the bracket because they registered after the 512 cap. They apparently did not read that rule and thought they were all set to play, when several of the professionalism players had no chance of making it into the bracket. They did not seem to be aware that the event was well over capacity and just assumed they would get in.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Please why are you so ignorant?? He's saying that MLG did an bad job organising this online Qualifier. And thats 100% true, regardless of the situation with the chinese pros, which was handled not very profesional. Some key points: Just 1 Qualifier, just RO 512, just 1 stream, no skill limit, reserved slots and so on... And it was already said that they asked more then one time why the players aren't in bracket and if the bracket is already finished. Pls just stop saying MLG did fine..
On April 22 2013 04:04 digmouse wrote: Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
I don't think Blizzard has anything to do with this. It appears the teams have been communicating with MLG directly. I would check with MLG to see how to be communicate for future events and not rely on Blizzard.
digmouse is heavily involved with the Chinese scene. TL even did an interview with him and put it up as a expose on the Chinese scene. I would take his word if I were you.
i feel so bad for you guys now "Comm" gets dqd after being one series away from qualifying. mlg is acting ridiculously bad. sorry for the chinese community t.t
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Uh if that was true then don't say "Oh you can play anyways". Just tell them they were late and end it.
So the 2012 WCS China champion doesnt get a spot for the qualifiers? WTF So last year Blizzard was all about supporting every scene, but this year they are like fuck everyone, we wont even give you a spot in any region for your BEST player who could probably own most NA players. Makes sense. This is honestly a total disaster. The chinese scene is already so closed off, things like this just make it worse. MLG fucked up again.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket?
It's pretty clear that you've been an MLG cheerleader throughout this thread and will defend MLG no matter how irrational you sound. MLG can do no wrong in your eyes and you're just a blind defender. This has been a straight up gong show.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket?
It's pretty clear that you've been an MLG cheerleader throughout this thread and will defend MLG no matter how irrational you sound. MLG can do no wrong in your eyes and you're just a blind defender. This has been a straight up gong show.
Yes, he's embarrassing himself almost as much as MLG themselves with his blind defense of inexcusable situations.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
On April 22 2013 07:45 Fenrax wrote: Why did "Comm" get DQ'ed?
Edit: too late
"I am so sorry". Being sorry will not pay his bills, he can't just go to his landlord and tell him that MLG was really sorry.
Being sorry is nice and the right thing to say and I am very glad to hear it. If they back it up they might reclaim some of their reputation. But so far it is only a starting point, so what will MLG do about it?
On April 22 2013 07:45 Fenrax wrote: Why did "Comm" get DQ'ed?
Edit: too late
"I am so sorry". Being sorry will not pay his bills, he can't just go to his landlord and tell him that MLG was really sorry.
Being sorry is nice and the right thing to say and I am very glad to hear it if they back it up but so far it is only a starting point, so what will MLG do about it?
He can't even make Challenger this season because of MLG's stupid Challenger league qualifier (only players that are 9th through 40th in this qualifier will compete in that).
Frankly, the staff at MLG ought to be ashamed of how this qualifier has gone. Its a train-wreck.
On April 22 2013 08:00 mechengineer123 wrote: Wow comm really got disqualified? Absolutely pathetic.
The worse bit is that this means the earliest Comm can make Premier is the last season of this year, since he also won't be able to make Challenger. Ridiculous.
On April 22 2013 08:00 mechengineer123 wrote: Wow comm really got disqualified? Absolutely pathetic.
The way MLG has been dealing with the Chinese players is pathetic, from start to finish. MLG doesn't even address the issue, only a few tweets from Sundance that somewhat contradict what the admin say in the 1st post pictures.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
On April 22 2013 07:45 Fenrax wrote: Why did "Comm" get DQ'ed?
Edit: too late
"I am so sorry". Being sorry will not pay his bills, he can't just go to his landlord and tell him that MLG was really sorry.
Being sorry is nice and the right thing to say and I am very glad to hear it if they back it up but so far it is only a starting point, so what will MLG do about it?
He can't even make Challenger this season because of MLG's stupid Challenger league qualifier (only players that are 9th through 40th in this qualifier will compete in that).
Frankly, the staff at MLG ought to be ashamed of how this qualifier has gone. Its a train-wreck.
On April 22 2013 08:00 mechengineer123 wrote: Wow comm really got disqualified? Absolutely pathetic.
The worse bit is that this means the earliest Comm can make Premier is the last season of this year, since he also won't be able to make Challenger. Ridiculous.
I think you got it wrong. It will be invite only and the 9th to 40th in this qualifier will definitely be invited, and so will be others. I think some MLG official already promised the chinese players that they will be invited to the Code A qualifiers, let's just hope it's not the same idiot who promised them that they are checked in already...
Also, why wouldn't MLG allow players to forfeit their spot for others? It was no problem with the ESL, and they had four times the amount of players to keep track off... <.<
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
He's not exactly for the establishment so much as against those that are against the establishment. Is he an Antidisestablishmentarianist?
After what MLG has done to them, it would be cool if all the Chinese players play in challenger qualifiers and knock out all the NA players to eventually make a Premiere league full of only Chinese and Koreans by the end of the year. :p
This is why I stopped paying for MLG. Horrible production and terribly run tourneys with constant problems. The only reason they can make up for it is they have great players playing in the tourney + great casters. I really miss IPL because without them MLG has no competition and they can fuck up however they want and some people will still get their tourney packages.
On April 22 2013 07:45 Fenrax wrote: Why did "Comm" get DQ'ed?
Edit: too late
"I am so sorry". Being sorry will not pay his bills, he can't just go to his landlord and tell him that MLG was really sorry.
Being sorry is nice and the right thing to say and I am very glad to hear it if they back it up but so far it is only a starting point, so what will MLG do about it?
He can't even make Challenger this season because of MLG's stupid Challenger league qualifier (only players that are 9th through 40th in this qualifier will compete in that).
Frankly, the staff at MLG ought to be ashamed of how this qualifier has gone. Its a train-wreck.
On April 22 2013 08:00 mechengineer123 wrote: Wow comm really got disqualified? Absolutely pathetic.
The worse bit is that this means the earliest Comm can make Premier is the last season of this year, since he also won't be able to make Challenger. Ridiculous.
I think you got it wrong. It will be invite only and the 9th to 40th in this qualifier will definitely be invited, and so will be others. I think some MLG official already promised the chinese players that they will be invited to the Code A qualifiers, let's just hope it's not the same idiot who promised them that they are checked in already...
Also, why wouldn't MLG allow players to forfeit their spot for others? It was no problem with the ESL, and they had four times the amount of players to keep track off... <.<
At this point I don't know that I'd take a promise from "some MLG official" very seriously.
On April 22 2013 07:45 Fenrax wrote: Why did "Comm" get DQ'ed?
Edit: too late
"I am so sorry". Being sorry will not pay his bills, he can't just go to his landlord and tell him that MLG was really sorry.
Being sorry is nice and the right thing to say and I am very glad to hear it if they back it up but so far it is only a starting point, so what will MLG do about it?
He can't even make Challenger this season because of MLG's stupid Challenger league qualifier (only players that are 9th through 40th in this qualifier will compete in that).
Frankly, the staff at MLG ought to be ashamed of how this qualifier has gone. Its a train-wreck.
On April 22 2013 08:00 mechengineer123 wrote: Wow comm really got disqualified? Absolutely pathetic.
The worse bit is that this means the earliest Comm can make Premier is the last season of this year, since he also won't be able to make Challenger. Ridiculous.
I think you got it wrong. It will be invite only and the 9th to 40th in this qualifier will definitely be invited, and so will be others. I think some MLG official already promised the chinese players that they will be invited to the Code A qualifiers, let's just hope it's not the same idiot who promised them that they are checked in already...
Also, why wouldn't MLG allow players to forfeit their spot for others? It was no problem with the ESL, and they had four times the amount of players to keep track off... <.<
At this point I don't know that I'd take a promise from "some MLG official" very seriously.
Surely an MLG official would never say something that isn't true O.o
Why is everything around NA WCS retarded? Well feel sad for the Chinese players. I thought WCS should help the growth of countries into SC2 not taking actions to prevent it x)
On April 22 2013 07:45 Fenrax wrote: Why did "Comm" get DQ'ed?
Edit: too late
"I am so sorry". Being sorry will not pay his bills, he can't just go to his landlord and tell him that MLG was really sorry.
Being sorry is nice and the right thing to say and I am very glad to hear it if they back it up but so far it is only a starting point, so what will MLG do about it?
He can't even make Challenger this season because of MLG's stupid Challenger league qualifier (only players that are 9th through 40th in this qualifier will compete in that).
Frankly, the staff at MLG ought to be ashamed of how this qualifier has gone. Its a train-wreck.
On April 22 2013 08:00 mechengineer123 wrote: Wow comm really got disqualified? Absolutely pathetic.
The worse bit is that this means the earliest Comm can make Premier is the last season of this year, since he also won't be able to make Challenger. Ridiculous.
I think you got it wrong. It will be invite only and the 9th to 40th in this qualifier will definitely be invited, and so will be others. I think some MLG official already promised the chinese players that they will be invited to the Code A qualifiers, let's just hope it's not the same idiot who promised them that they are checked in already...
Also, why wouldn't MLG allow players to forfeit their spot for others? It was no problem with the ESL, and they had four times the amount of players to keep track off... <.<
At this point I don't know that I'd take a promise from "some MLG official" very seriously.
Surely an MLG official would never say something that isn't true O.o
Those guys are official.
it was probably a mistake in understanding. When he said he'd "invite them" he meant they were welcome to come back next season and wait in queue
MLG is so bad, it's ridiculous. They let PhysicsLee get as far as he did, then let Hyun play, and now they DQ Comm? Utter incompetence. This is what happens when MLG gets exclusivity rights, they just shit on the scene and the viewers. Hopefully MLG loses their rights to host WCS NA soon.
MLG has produced some very good offline tournaments but their online content allways kind of sucked . And it showed again because they apparently don't employ enough people to produce it. Say whatever you want about the ESL the production of the WCS Stream wasn't top notch but the least the tournament was well organized , which is far far far more important.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
At least tell us how much MLG are paying you to say stuff like this, because that comment makes no sense otherwise.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
dont rage on the whole wcs thing esl did their best to lt everyone who wanted to patricipate they had i think ~1000 players in the last qualifier so everyone was welcome its just mlg that dropped the ball here this is not even funny anymore i can understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
MLG trying hard to cause a diplomatic incident with China it seems.
It's so stupid to 'seed' 64 players in an open tournament (which I assume means, automatically check in) and then let the rest try and get one of the lucky 448. They should have just learnt from someone with a lot more experience in hosting tournaments, and did it like ESL, instead of trying to be clever. Just one tournament with 512 slots was waaaaaay too little. They should have realised that when Europe was getting a thousand sign ups in under a minute.
I've been defending WCS from Day 1, but MLG's execution, from the invitees, to the casting, to the format of the qualifier were atrocious.
Blizzard, organise something for SEA/China/AU please!
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
dont rage on the whole wcs thing esl did their best to lt everyone who wanted to patricipate they had i think ~1000 players in the last qualifier so everyone was welcome its just mlg that dropped the ball here this is not even funny anymore i cant understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
Probably a Chinese one-post drive-by. Don't mind them too much (though I understand entirely why they are angry).
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
dont rage on the whole wcs thing esl did their best to lt everyone who wanted to patricipate they had i think ~1000 players in the last qualifier so everyone was welcome its just mlg that dropped the ball here this is not even funny anymore i can understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
In the end it is Blizzards fault because of not forcing a standardized qualification process for all the regions so it reflects on the whole WCS.
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
dont rage on the whole wcs thing esl did their best to lt everyone who wanted to patricipate they had i think ~1000 players in the last qualifier so everyone was welcome its just mlg that dropped the ball here this is not even funny anymore i can understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
2048 players on the last day.
edit: Well not quite as many I recall, I believe many players got a bye in the round of 2048, but it was more than 1024.
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
don't rage on the whole wcs thing. esl did their best to let everyone who wanted to patricipate. they had above ~1000 players in the last qualifier. so everyone was welcome, it's just mlg that dropped the ball here. this is not even funny anymore. i can understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
Probably a Chinese one-post drive-by. Don't mind them too much (though I understand entirely why they are angry).
Also, please use periods. Or commas.
i fixed it a bit only for you, although i have been told that commas in the english language are not necessary.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
The only mindless people here are the MLG staff and admins. They couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
dont rage on the whole wcs thing esl did their best to lt everyone who wanted to patricipate they had i think ~1000 players in the last qualifier so everyone was welcome its just mlg that dropped the ball here this is not even funny anymore i can understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
At least WCS NA is 1/3 of the WCS, I was so excited when I knew there comes the WCS. I thought it is the grand banquet for all the SC2 players and it will gather all the best players all over the world. But now? As i said, first of all most of top Chinese players cant join the event, and now COMM got DQed for anonymity. Most of the players r anonymity but why DQ comm? Cuz he went into losers final? Cuz he is gonna get qualified? This is not even fair to China.
There is no way to do anything about this by the way? I mean cant we get a mass spam going against MLG or something along those lines. Demand for them to remove the DQ from Comm.
This comm thing is complete bullshit so you think it should be possible to get people involved.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
Because pointing out that MLG did and does a poor job is "hatejerking"?
You look like a 12 year old fanboy defending call of duty at all cost, if that's enjoyable for you, well.. Have fun, i guess.
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
dont rage on the whole wcs thing esl did their best to lt everyone who wanted to patricipate they had i think ~1000 players in the last qualifier so everyone was welcome its just mlg that dropped the ball here this is not even funny anymore i can understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
At least WCS NA is 1/3 of the WCS, I was so excited when I knew there comes the WCS. I thought it is the grand banquet for all the SC2 players and it will gather all the best players all over the world. But now? As i said, first of all most of top Chinese players cant join the event, and now COMM got DQed for anonymity. Most of the players r anonymity but why DQ comm? Cuz he went into losers final? Cuz he is gonna get qualified? This is not even fair to China.
yes, I understand. and no this is not fair at all. this behaviour is just ridiculous, i feel bad for all the chinese competitors and the chinese scene. ._.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
I had a little laugh collecting all the overly dramatic descriptions of the tournament in just one page of this thread. LOL @ the extent to which gamers will complain.
"Horrible production and terribly run tourney" "MLG is ruining esports" "MLG ought to be ashamed" "train wreck" "Ridiculous" "Absolutely pathetic" "like a B.net SC1 tournament in terms of organization" "retarded" "MLG is so bad, it's ridiculous" "Utter incompetence" "they just shit on the scene and the viewers" "embarrassing" "black eye on the NA esports scene" " amateur hour" "clown show" "just a fucking joke" "MLG go ruin the WCS and I wont watch that anymore" "NA in general is a joke"
Again, just one page of this thread. LMFAO, it's just one video game tournament people. I can't imagine what your reaction is to real problems.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
The question is how ESL did all this with less time and going through 10 times more matches without making a fraction of the train wreck that MLG is doing here.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
he said he played with this account from the beginning
On April 22 2013 08:24 Liamyan wrote: I am so disapointed when I saw comm was DQed in WCS NA losers bracket final, one step further to be qualified. How could u do this to all the Chinese players? Most of our best players were refused to attend the premier league qualifier. And that's not enough, although in this situation comm still got DQed? WCS is not hold for the best player from all over the world? I've been watched WCS for almost a week, but I now I know WCS is just a fucking joke. MLG go ruin the WCS, and I wont watch that anymore, cuz our Chinese can not have the equal rights here!!! We need justice for COMM and for all the Chinese players~!!!!!! MLG fuck ur Esports spirits
dont rage on the whole wcs thing esl did their best to lt everyone who wanted to patricipate they had i think ~1000 players in the last qualifier so everyone was welcome its just mlg that dropped the ball here this is not even funny anymore i can understand that you are angry but as i said not the whole WCS thing sucks
In the end it is Blizzards fault because of not forcing a standardized qualification process for all the regions so it reflects on the whole WCS.
They most likely will and that will cause other issues which are not not possible to solve cause of the then-locked system. They were hoping i guess that the organizations they hired for this would at least be able to do that on their own before they follow the structure Blizzard designed. Boy were they wrong...
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
No，he used this account from the very beginning.This is only anonymity.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Except he said he played from beginning cause he didn't get a spot in the first place.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
So how is that not an institutional fuck up? This isn't some 3rd tier tournament they are running. They aren't the first people running a WCS, Europe had the good luck of running it already. Now let's just ignore everything that has happened and come up with a proper response for the people that were eliminated in matches due to the people you DQ-ed 5+ rounds into the tournament.
All of the stuff that happened in this WCS, MLG was responsible for, they didn't handle the sign-ups properly, didn't have a loading from last save protocol in place for an international online tournament, didn't catch any potential rule-breaking players until late in the tournament. But cool, pretend they did an adequate job despite punting on the very basic responsibilities expected from a tournament organizer.
Edit:
The whole Comm thing is laughable, how the hell do you not know who's playing that many rounds into a tournament?
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
On April 22 2013 07:17 Plansix wrote: [quote] Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
The question is how ESL did all this with less time and going through 10 times more matches without making a fraction of the train wreck that MLG is doing here.
They had fewer players who didn't read the rules and tried to qualify under someone else's account. They had fewer hackers(aka, none, because MLG had 1) and one less Korean player who signed up for the bracket when he wasn't supposed to. If these same things had happened to ESL, they would have the same problems.
I guarantee you if MLG had the same 4 open tournaments ESL did, none of these problems would be problems. MLG will correct the issues in the future; pretty positive about that.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
The question is how ESL did all this with less time and going through 10 times more matches without making a fraction of the train wreck that MLG is doing here.
They had fewer players who didn't read the rules and tried to qualify under someone else's account. They had fewer hackers(aka, none, because MLG had 1) and one less Korean player who signed up for the bracket when he wasn't supposed to. If these same things had happened to ESL, they would have the same problems.
ESL had Dragon, but got DQ (once was enough) after 2 rounds IIRC
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
Actually, according to the top voted post on reddit, the rule reads:
Breaking any of General Rules #1-5 MAY result in a Forfeit of the Game and/or disqualification from the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
The question is how ESL did all this with less time and going through 10 times more matches without making a fraction of the train wreck that MLG is doing here.
They had fewer players who didn't read the rules and tried to qualify under someone else's account. They had fewer hackers(aka, none, because MLG had 1) and one less Korean player who signed up for the bracket when he wasn't supposed to. If these same things had happened to ESL, they would have the same problems.
They also already had an already working system in place with the go4sc2 stuff . The amount of players playing amounted to some problems but they also had less time than MLG.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
The thing is if he knew he wont check in he will registered as much account as he could in case of join the qualifier,wasnt he? Rules said anonymity must be DQed? If rules said so why didnt MLG tell him until hes already in the loser final? THis is not fair to refuse a top player out of qaulifier!!!
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Shuttle failed to check-in during EU qualifier day3 during the 65 seconds it was open, so someone from teamliquid gave up his spot to Shuttle, did ESL DQed Shuttle?
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
He didnt sign up twice idiots, he signed once but wasnt in the first 512 even tho he registred in time, Someone generously gave him his spot with his account
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Your argument is by default 3 times stronger because you capitalized the word "fuck". Well done. Chill out.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
Lol. must be the most stupid post of the day. Life will go on? Really?
Nah, GSL just decided to disqualify flash.. not really sure why but what the hell.. there are more GSLs right?
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
He just signed once, his apprentice give him his account as soon as knew him could not attend with his own account.So tell me what to do if u r a player and u r in comm's situation.
MLG's rule sucks? your Americas jealous about Chinese player's strength? but without Chinese,Korean, you can also beat by Australia, cause there doesn't any strong America players in the premier group!! I don't think any Americas can win out!
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
He just signed once, his apprentice give him his account as soon as knew him could not attend with his own account.So tell me what to do if u r a player and u r in comm's situation.
How is that not the same thing? If he has 4 apprentices sign up and then uses their accounts to make sure he gets a really good spot in the bracket, is that ok too? I mean, he is only using one account and the other ones are being used too.
If I am Comm, I don't use someone else's account because its a live event at the end and people are going to notice I am a different person when that happens.
On April 22 2013 09:08 HereBeDragons wrote: Shuttle failed to check-in during EU qualifier day3 during the 65 seconds it was open, so someone from teamliquid gave up his spot to Shuttle, did ESL DQed Shuttle?
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
shameless self promotion on a thread that holds no bearing and has no relation to the situation at hand. also it was closed because you were pretty much blatently calling for a witchhunt against a person who qualified fairly.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
If the MLG actually bothered to run a better system for the qualifier mone of the shit would've happened. How can you limit the qualifier this much if theres only one and then don't bother to have knowledgeable people scan through the player names to check if someone important is not checked in . It's just amateurish . I don't give a shit if their production is nice if they don't know how to run a tournament to produce a show for their production
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
He just signed once, his apprentice give him his account as soon as knew him could not attend with his own account.So tell me what to do if u r a player and u r in comm's situation.
How is that not the same thing? If he has 4 apprentices sign up and then uses their accounts to make sure he gets a really good spot in the bracket, is that ok too? I mean, he is only using one account and the other ones are being used too.
If I am Comm, I don't use someone else's account because its a live event at the end and people are going to notice I am a different person when that happens.
Do u really he want to use his apprentice's account? There is a precondition that his account is not in the 512 players, and SC2 is what he used for living right now, am i right? Comm need this chance to let world know who he is but not in this way
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
He just signed once, his apprentice give him his account as soon as knew him could not attend with his own account.So tell me what to do if u r a player and u r in comm's situation.
How is that not the same thing? If he has 4 apprentices sign up and then uses their accounts to make sure he gets a really good spot in the bracket, is that ok too? I mean, he is only using one account and the other ones are being used too.
If I am Comm, I don't use someone else's account because its a live event at the end and people are going to notice I am a different person when that happens.
You mean deliberately trying to fool the system, the same as
Checkin in time, ask admins if you're good to play; Get an O.K Then after several more inqueries to the admins, they tell you, you're unfortunately out. THEN a samaritan generously let you play. The confusion about the ID 'might' have kept him anonymous for an hour.
He wasn't fooling anyone. AND he was more so a rightful contender than any of the 64 locked seeds, probably moreso that any of the directly invited 'Code S' contestents.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
Sigh, really disappointed with MLG. This is a huge deal for Chinese SC2 scene. It is pretty small to begin with, and left out by the world due to network issues. This accident will probably keep them from attending any other foreign tournaments, huge disappointment.
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
MLG use that stupid rules against us. so what should we do ? use their rules against them, thats how it comes. Im just here let them know rules r used for all the players not just Chinese
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
What Comm ended up doing was certainly against the rules, but it was his only option after things like
had occurred. It's hard to say they missed anything when they immediately contacted MLG when they noticed something was astray.
The argument put forth against Comm's DQ is that even though he broke the rules, the rules were flexible enough to not warrant a DQ given the honest intentions and circumstances behind using his student's account, the mentioning of Crank is an example of (a lesser) infraction being ignored.
All in all a terrible situation, the Chinese SC2 scene is already on life support and this might just have been the final nail in the coffin for a region at least as strong as NA.
On April 22 2013 09:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Sigh, really disappointed with MLG. This is a huge deal for Chinese SC2 scene. It is pretty small to begin with, and left out by the world due to network issues. This accident will probably keep them from attending any other foreign tournaments, huge disappointment.
Exactly! this is a missed opportunity. Very disappointing.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote: Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
Yeah, people with low post count should never post, that way they will never get a high post count and be counted as a contributer under your own personal meter.
As opposed to your spam like defence of mlg over many hours, saying that they didn't read rules, when on the OP, they have been told by an admin that they are "checked in and good to go".
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
Look. I have more than 10, and i actually think he has a point. Kinda.
I don't think Crank should be DQed for that. But warned. He did something that was against the rules, which you defended so vigorously earlier. The same rules which btw say that you "may" get DQed for example for using another account.
Let's be just objective here for a second, because slowly you slip from being the annoying troll to just an idiot, defending bullshit at every cost.
Both should be warned, and then given the opportunity to give their best because they deserve to do so (more so than a random diamond scrub, or empty slots from people that didn't show up). With DQing Comm and completely ignoring Cranks break of the rules, MLG brings that shit over themselves. Defending that just makes you look as stupid.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
Aren't there literally screenshots of the chatlogs where admins tell these guys they're signed up and "good to go"? Like, come on... You can't act like MLG has no fault in this. This would never have happened in WCS EU.
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
MLG use that stupid rules against us. so what should we do ? use their rules against them, thats how it comes. Im just here let them know rules r used for all the players not just Chinese
Well, instead of asking them to disqualify Crank, we should be asking them to REINSTATE comm instead. Crank isn't associated with MLG, and TotalBiscuit has been done so much good for the SC2 community that I don't think anyone should wish ill upon him.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Please tell me how not knowing who someone is when they are in loser's finals is good TO-ing. Please do, I really would like to know. Please also tell me why you think MLG's organization has anywhere been near competent. Please also tell me how they're suppose to handle the fact that they let someone who broke the rules eliminate 5+ other players. Please tell me how that's a good TO. Please tell me how MLG has not fucked up this tournament to resemble a high school lunch time LAN in terms of organization.
This isn't 1 or 2 rounds, this guy made it to fucking loser's finals which is a fucking joke on MLG's part, not to mention part of the issue stems from MLG's terrible sign-up process. You can make the short-sighted argument that MLG can't be expected to know everyone that's playing, but it's not MLG's fault that Comm made it all the way to loser's final before being DQ-ed right?
On April 22 2013 08:52 Plansix wrote: [quote] Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
What Comm ended up doing was certainly against the rules, but it was his only option after things like
had occurred. It's hard to say they missed anything when they immediately contacted MLG when they noticed something was astray.
The argument put forth against Comm's DQ is that even though he broke the rules, the rules were flexible enough to not warrant a DQ given the honest intentions and circumstances behind using his student's account, the mentioning of Crank is an example of (a lesser) infraction being ignored.
All in all a terrible situation, the Chinese SC2 scene is already on life support and this might just have been the final nail in the coffin for a region at least as strong as NA.
1. Two wrongs don't make a right. 2. Comm making it into WCS NA is not going to save the Chinese scene.
On April 22 2013 08:52 Plansix wrote: [quote] Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
Aren't there literally screenshots of the chatlogs where admins tell these guys they're signed up and "good to go"? Like, come on... You can't act like MLG has no fault in this. This would never have happened in WCS EU.
I said this is the other thread, but its relevant here:
What's the chances that they were actually checked in (as it would show them as checked in), but didn't fall within the parameters based on time registered which is why they were bumped out? This sucks, I agree, but it's just something that needs to be learned from and fixed in the future.
On April 22 2013 08:56 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
What Comm ended up doing was certainly against the rules, but it was his only option after things like
had occurred. It's hard to say they missed anything when they immediately contacted MLG when they noticed something was astray.
The argument put forth against Comm's DQ is that even though he broke the rules, the rules were flexible enough to not warrant a DQ given the honest intentions and circumstances behind using his student's account, the mentioning of Crank is an example of (a lesser) infraction being ignored.
All in all a terrible situation, the Chinese SC2 scene is already on life support and this might just have been the final nail in the coffin for a region at least as strong as NA.
1. Two wrongs don't make a right. 2. Comm making it into WCS NA is not going to save the Chinese scene.
But that's the thing. Two wrongs don't make a right, but after you've (i.e. MLG) already committed more than two wrongs (of varying magnitudes), then at some point one more (tiny) wrong doesn't really matter.
That's what people are arguing anyways. I kind of agree. It's so fucked up already that they might as well just redo this whole thing.
On April 22 2013 08:56 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
What Comm ended up doing was certainly against the rules, but it was his only option after things like
had occurred. It's hard to say they missed anything when they immediately contacted MLG when they noticed something was astray.
The argument put forth against Comm's DQ is that even though he broke the rules, the rules were flexible enough to not warrant a DQ given the honest intentions and circumstances behind using his student's account, the mentioning of Crank is an example of (a lesser) infraction being ignored.
All in all a terrible situation, the Chinese SC2 scene is already on life support and this might just have been the final nail in the coffin for a region at least as strong as NA.
1. Two wrongs don't make a right. 2. Comm making it into WCS NA is not going to save the Chinese scene.
Nobody said two wrongs made a right, only that an infraction like that can and perhaps should be ignored
Individuals making it in or out of WCS NA has nothing to do with the scene, its the entire perception that the Chinese scene has been completely ignored and mistreated in this manner, literally lied to and ignored (some netizens are arguing maliciously) by the "official" Blizzard WCS proxy. What hope do Chinese progamers have for a viable scene if this is how they're treated?
On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote: Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius.
It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice
Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
On April 22 2013 08:56 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to.
This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency.
MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them.
If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules.
Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament.
Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be.
MLG can still change this and they really should.
I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it.
Aren't there literally screenshots of the chatlogs where admins tell these guys they're signed up and "good to go"? Like, come on... You can't act like MLG has no fault in this. This would never have happened in WCS EU.
I said this is the other thread, but its relevant here:
What's the chances that they were actually checked in (as it would show them as checked in), but didn't fall within the parameters based on time registered which is why they were bumped out? This sucks, I agree, but it's just something that needs to be learned from and fixed in the future.
Well I imagine this was the case, but it's still MLG's job to make sure that legitimate contenders don't get screwed out of a spot. Pro players need to be given priority. Comm won WCS china. This is totally MLG's bad. Letting any random player sign up and push a pro player out for signing up seconds too late is just a ridiculously poor system. This didn't happen with WCS EU, and for obvious reasons.
On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote: Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius.
It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice
Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
He certainly didn't come here to talk about it, probably just post a few things on Chinese website. It's Chinese fans and justice made the case against MLG. Even if he didn't say anything, his manager will make the case for him.
On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote: Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius.
It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice
Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote: Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius.
It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice
Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
Of course he is. His matches amazed all the Chinese SC2 funs.We all think Comm should have a chance to show how good he is to the whole world. We all thought he is ahead the world half year.
Not good! MLG will hear about this one for a while... There's always a lot of talk during tournaments like this. I know DEMUSLIM wasn't in there to start, they had to fix that. While comm might not be as popular due to his country he's fighting out of, winning WCS China is pretty big deal, he deserves his shot.
On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote: Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius.
It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice
Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
His timing being as soon as he was DQ'd
I'm under the impression that he broke the news after he lost to TheStC, and his self-posted "confession" was what prompted the admins to DQ him. But maybe my timetable is wrong; I hadn't even known what was going on until a few hours ago.
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
and yet, ESL could make a 1470 players tournament as a fourth qualifier be ran in 2 days
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
On April 21 2013 20:25 Grimmyman123 wrote: I'm still scratching my head as how how non north or south american players are registered in a north american qualifier.
I thought the qualifiers were supposed to reflect the best players of each region.
WCS made the rules that players are not restriced to their residence just to make matches more exciting, attract more viewers and improve regional starcraft II levels. But results now, that 4 koreans promoted to the Premier League, are not that satisfying.
Its funny the corporate and managmenet mentality.
Just because one says it will be exciting etc etc but the realistic thinkin is that players from dominant regions will abuse the rule and will play in a different qualifier so as to avoid heavier competitition... well what do you think is gonna happen?
Since my country probably won't be represented, I honestly won't (again) watch another tournament, because it wont be exciting.
Your country (I'm assuming Canada) has Scarlett and Huk representing it in the Premier League. Those two are probably the only ones who even have a chance in a real world-wide tournament anyway, so I don't know why you're so upset about the lack of representation.
Its the idea that if you are going to have a GROUP from a region, the group of players from a qualifier should represent the residents and players from that region.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
Yeah, WCS EU was such a mess right? Those 4000 players really fucked things up there.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
Oh yeah, poor MLG, can't make an extra $10 000 after being gifted with the monopoly of hosting WCS NA. Or make a rule that only masters or masters above a certain points value can apply like everyone else. Or just expand the bracket like EU did.
Or have more than one caster, and opened themselves up to 10+ community casters, as opposed to running a monopoly on casting. Thanks for reminding us of all the ways MLG has failed over ESL, every 15 min or so.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
Did you miss WCS EU or are you getting desperate now?
Making a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES and denying people with actual chances the participation because some diamondscrubs overestimate themselves is borderline retarded. There's nothing to justify that. If you only offer ~1/8th of the spots, make sure they get filled with the proper people (meaning GM+), not a "diamond player/new blood". They can't make it to masters/GM, what reason is there to let them soak up spots which would be needed for "real players"? Use them as fillers, but don't ignore pros because of them. Or, you know, let more people participate.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
You do realize that they did this whole thing terribly right? I understand how you've dug yourself into a deep hole trying to defend MLG/WCS here, but I think it's about time you stop. You really are embarrassing yourself.
On April 22 2013 10:23 Canucklehead wrote: Why are you guys still responding to plansix. He's an obvious troll and your giving him all the attention he craves.
haha yeah how can anyone take him seriously after saying things like
On April 22 2013 08:34 Plansix wrote: Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
yeah MLG probably didnt see HyuN in the Code A qualifiers for a reason
This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
Yeah, WCS EU was such a mess right? Those 4000 players really fucked things up there.
Well there are a ton of walk over in the early rounds that shouldn't have happened because their weren't enough admins to confirm. But that drama is so last week. This is the new drama for this week.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
Jesus, just shut up already. Your casual sarcastic dismissal of any criticism is absolutely disgusting. It seems quite obvious you didn't watch last week's pretty well-ran WCS EU qualifiers or you would know that what you're saying is utter shit. Also, 4000 players? Ha! Your arguments are worse than some I've heard from 12-year olds. FYI, when the last WCS EU qualifiers were held, less than 1500 signed up. PS: How much is MLG paying you?
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
You're a complete fucker, you know that? I absolutely love that you think most of the community's complaining over some "video game tournament" when the Chinese players play it for a living and expected to be part of the competition but were denied by MLG. I guess you also didn't watch the WCS EU qualifiers last week either.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
......are you been serious?
Your signature is what needs to be said to him/her.
On April 22 2013 10:23 Canucklehead wrote: Why are you guys still responding to plansix. He's an obvious troll and your giving him all the attention he craves.
haha yeah how can anyone take him seriously after saying things like
On April 22 2013 08:34 Plansix wrote: Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
yeah MLG probably didnt see HyuN in the Code A qualifiers for a reason
Yeah he's getting desperate and resorting to straw man arguments now like omg 4k people will sign up if you don't cap it..cause that's exactly what happened in eu. His posts don't make sense anymore and is just posting to get a reaction out of you guys now.
I'd love to give MLG the benefit of the doubt but there are way, way too many sketchy things that have happened this weekend without an official response. The lack of organization, clarity regarding rules, and silence from the organizers is extremely frustrating. Yes, there could have been an absolute perfect storm of issues that happened this weekend, but that's why MLG was chosen to host this event. Most organizations can handle things when it goes smoothly, but it's when things go poorly that you really earn your keep.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
......are you been serious?
100% serious. They didn't read the rules and didn't make sure their players registered in time to be seeded into the bracket(not checked in, registered). Then they showed up the day of the event, checked in, but found out that 512 players were already seeded in. They found out they fucked up and didn't read the part about how the registering worked and tried to get Comm through on an account that was registered early enough and was seeded. Then Comm go caught and was DQed.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
......are you been serious?
100% serious. They didn't read the rules and didn't make sure their players registered in time to be seeded into the bracket(not checked in, registered). Then they showed up the day of the event, checked in, but found out that 512 players were already seeded in. They found out they fucked up and didn't read the part about how the registering worked and tried to get Comm through on an account that was registered early enough and was seeded. Then Comm go caught and was DQed.
Are you involved in the management of iG? Amazing how you got all that information if not.
On April 22 2013 10:52 Grimmyman123 wrote: I'm sorry, but what was the reason that the Chinese players could not play in a different qualifier?
KR qualifiers are offline EU qualifiers, probably worse lag than NA
I'm really looking forward for an official MLG response to this pile of poo. I still sympathize for HyuN and the Chinese players. So many things could have been foreseen if they actually just thought about it. Its a hardnock life. Its also weird how they closed his other thread. Just seems like this weekend was a total clusterfuck. Whats worse is that Axslav and Axeltoss did a really good job casting. Seemed like the games that they did cast were fantastic. They obviously put a lot of effort into their 7+ hour casting job and it seems everyone is over looking that.
Sympathize for Hyun for trying to qualify even though he wasn't supposed to be allowed in at all? =\ think I need to retire from TL for the night. Everyone set down your pitchforks and just try to think about the events in a non "I want to burn everything to the ground every time something little happens" manner.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine.
Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
......are you been serious?
100% serious. They didn't read the rules and didn't make sure their players registered in time to be seeded into the bracket(not checked in, registered). Then they showed up the day of the event, checked in, but found out that 512 players were already seeded in. They found out they fucked up and didn't read the part about how the registering worked and tried to get Comm through on an account that was registered early enough and was seeded. Then Comm go caught and was DQed.
He didn't get caught; he "turned himself in." They shouldn't be so inflexible about this anyways.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine.
Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly.
If you didn't register, how can you check in? *facepalm*
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine.
Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly.
If you didn't register, how can you check in? *facepalm*
It doesn't sound like you understood the registration process. Plansix understands it correctly.
You could register for the qualifier up to the day of the event. The time in which you registered determines if you were seeded into the qualifier.
You needed to check in to the qualifier in the two hour window preceding the event. It doesn't matter when you checked in during this period as long as you did so.
The 512 players that played in the qualifier (modulo the 64 reserved spots) are those that checked in and registered the earliest out of all players that checked in that day.
If there wasn't an error on MLG's end (and there is that possibility --- we don't know unless someone makes some official statements one way or the other) then they simply registered too late to be seeded.
On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote: Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
I think you work for MLG don't you.
Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine.
Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly.
If you didn't register, how can you check in? *facepalm*
It doesn't sound like you understood the registration process. Plansix understands it correctly.
You could register for the qualifier up to the day of the event. The time in which you registered determines if you were seeded into the qualifier.
You needed to check in to the qualifier in the two hour window preceding the event. It doesn't matter when you checked in during this period as long as you did so.
The 512 players that played in the qualifier (modulo the 64 reserved spots) are those that checked in and registered the earliest out of all players that checked in that day.
If there wasn't an error on MLG's end (and there is that possibility --- we don't know unless someone makes some official statements one way or the other) then they simply registered too late to be seeded.
That's the logical conclusion. Unfortunately we don't know when the Chinese players registered, and all I could glean from Comm's post is that many of them registered ASAP (though at least some registered extremely late, by 10 AM EDT ... which is check-in time). So some of them certainly did register very late, too late to get seeded.
On April 22 2013 11:51 Enders116 wrote: What happened since I went to work earlier today? Let me read up on the last ten pages that got tacked on.
Comm got formally DQ'd for playing on an account he didnt register and people aren't happy since he was in the losers' finals + everything going on with the chinese players this weekend
On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote: Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
Please spare us your stupidity. China still doesn't have HotS, so organizing a WCS China is impossible. That's why Chinese players are attending WCS NA. Plus, lots of Koreans are taking part in WCS EU and NA as well, don't get what your problem is.
On April 22 2013 11:55 oneofthem wrote: seems like plan6 only responds to criticism against mlg and not criticism against blizzard. so mlg employee doesn't defend blizz? that's bad form
I don't work for MLG. Blizzard wasn't involved. And its not my fault that the Chinese professional players couldn't figure out how to register in time, while 512 other people did.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
If so, then his ban was due to him calling for Crank to be DQ'd as well for tweeting his victory yesterday. He opened a thread, which mods closed, but he kept on spamming the closed thread in other threads. It was kind of annoying
However, it's only a 2 day ban, so nothing horrendous.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
I thought it was just Edison but he was talking about someone getting banned while he was gone and jalen obviously had something to do with the Chinese scene. I was just curious
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Oh, wait, am I wrong?
I have no idea. He knew about when all the players were registering and stuff so he had some involvement. I dont know the details though.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
Yeah, I use NeoTV.cn too sometimes. I'm the guy everyone calls "宾哥“。
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
Yeah, I use NeoTV.cn too sometimes. I'm the guy everyone calls "宾哥“。
I still remeber your promise to sing that Love's Hug when your followers.LOL
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
Ah ok. Ya could tell he was quite upset >.< So much drama out of this
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
Ah ok. Ya could tell he was quite upset >.< So much drama out of this
Agreed. Till now I may be quite sure that Koreans put much pressure to MLG just to make sure more Koreans will be qualified to Premier League in WCS AM.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Ok, i am currently working as an Network Engineer in Australia, i'm not coach of IG and i don't think coach edison will come here to comlpain anything, they are pro gamers and pro esport athletes. They won't make any noise here. I got banned because spam a thread link, its my bad i didn't notice the mod's pm. thanks 宾哥， thanks all the people supporting Chinese starcraft 2 scenes.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
Ah ok. Ya could tell he was quite upset >.< So much drama out of this
They are symbols of national pride. I am a foreigner and I look forward more to seeing Chinese players' performances because of my curiosity, but this morning I couldn't help but shed a few tears because of what happened to team iG. Such talent playing with their chances already badly against them with no official Chinese WCS qualifiers, forced to compete on NA server with lots of lag, and then finally seeing that a majority of them got screwed over made me so angry.
this is a detriment to the globalization of eSports and mistakes like these hold no place in future eSports events. The Chinese scene has already suffered enough and I'm tired of seeing this happen day by day, and week by week, China and its competitors getting screwed over.
There's just a host of problems at every turn here. Normally when companies are holding the leagues that they built up themselves, things are run very well. Like when MLG is hosting an MLG or GOM is hosting a GSL. Or even when different companies get together and decide to cooperate, like MLG/GOM or OGN/MBC partnerships. But these top-down ideas like WCS or WCG don't seem to work. Blizzard's goal of expanding in scope is a nice thought, but the result is the people involved don't really understand how to execute it. It's still a good marketing move for Blizzard, and they'll no doubt have a stellar match to show off at Blizzcon after sifting through all the talented players who did get to play, but MLG's handling hasn't been up to snuff this time.
It's not really a world championship when Comm can't even get into the qualifiers. It's just another tournament, and while that's nice, it doesn't seem to add anything to the existing state of leagues. I thought And I don't know about others but this has been the most confusing tournament since I guess the GSL format.
On the NA side nothing makes sense. How can you limit a qualifier to 512 people if how quickly you register is the sole criterion for inclusion in the bracket? You are doing something wrong when you didn't give a spot to the guy who got to the finals. It was very honorable for that student to give Comm his account, and you should be able to transfer your spot to someone else since there's a limited number of spots in the bracket. I'm garbage and I've played in qualifiers anyways but never if I was taking up a real player's spot.
There is a slight thing on Comm's end which is even though he immediately explained he was Comm, and maybe also told his opponents, smurfing isn't good and everybody should know who their opponents are. This is a very minor thing since in an elimination format there's really not any preparation as you just have to dredge your way through it. There's not much else Comm could have done. Most of my disappointment is directed MLG's way.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
Ah ok. Ya could tell he was quite upset >.< So much drama out of this
They are symbols of national pride. I am a foreigner and I look forward more to seeing Chinese players' performances because of my curiosity, but this morning I couldn't help but shed a few tears because of what happened to team iG. Such talent playing with their chances already badly against them with no official Chinese WCS qualifiers, forced to compete on NA server with lots of lag, and then finally seeing that a majority of them got screwed over made me so angry.
this is a detriment to the globalization of eSports and mistakes like these hold no place in future eSports events. The Chinese scene has already suffered enough and I'm tired of seeing this happen day by day, and week by week, China and its competitors getting screwed over.
ok, dude. Stop. It's getting annoying. Congrats, you're a Chinese/English caster and you're apparently in a famous clan. Stop using this as a reason to promote yourself. Your video said absolutely nothing, except that you have some contacts (???) , and that you need the full support of MLG and Blizzard (lol okay). In a 4~ minute video, 3 minutes 30 seconds of it was your own self promotion. There was no content, not even fluff.
On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote: This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote: Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over.
Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote: Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed?
Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
Hmm not too sure about that. Only heard iG.Edison.
Jalen is one Chinese fan of SCII who's studying in Australia. He was upset about the fact of Chinese players out of brackets and post a thread on Teamliquid that day. I know that cuz we are from the Chinese SCII forum and he posted the link to this thread in the forum.
Yeah, I use NeoTV.cn too sometimes. I'm the guy everyone calls "宾哥“。
On April 22 2013 11:55 oneofthem wrote: seems like plan6 only responds to criticism against mlg and not criticism against blizzard. so mlg employee doesn't defend blizz? that's bad form
I don't work for MLG. Blizzard wasn't involved. And its not my fault that the Chinese professional players couldn't figure out how to register in time, while 512 other people did.
How do you know? And all the Chinese players? I mean if it's true, then how come the other two could still play up to loser bracket finals?
On April 22 2013 11:55 oneofthem wrote: seems like plan6 only responds to criticism against mlg and not criticism against blizzard. so mlg employee doesn't defend blizz? that's bad form
I don't work for MLG. Blizzard wasn't involved. And its not my fault that the Chinese professional players couldn't figure out how to register in time, while 512 other people did.
What joke while 512 people did, have you actually read my thread ? OZ, JYP,lots of korean pro are register in 15th, which 1000+ away. How did they got into the bracket? there must be some one in the top 512 got kicked.
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