On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote: [quote] MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
On April 22 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote: [quote] MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way.
Just because you do your job bad, doesn't mean it's ok for MLG to do their jobs bad too. Of course MLG should have given people clearer answers.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
lol. you are a PR disaster, if you work for MLG, stop posting your non-sense.
The discussion on B.net says that they are checked in, so they were checked in previous to that.
And MLG saving spots for certain players is not helping MLG case. So players that were top in WCS China, just because they don't usually attend MLG are out of a Blizzard event, because it's MLG organizing the qualifiers? How does that make any sense?
You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
On April 22 2013 02:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] You do know that 1,000 people tried to play in this 512 man bracket, right? There are over 488 people didn't get to play yesterday because they didn't get into the cue early enough. This is what happens if you have a free, open qualifier, is that people get left out. Its to bad and slightly unfair, but it was first come first served for those who signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote: [quote] I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.
I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.
Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Its not Blizzard's fault the China has rules and regulations that are difficult to deal with. Google and other companies have the same problem for anything that works online.
Each region had its own rules, which could be read by anyone and the check in time was the same for everyone in NA. Everyone else seemed to be able to get here on time, including Korean players.
Not all since MLG Adam had to warn that Zenio was not checked in, yet he still made the bracket.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 20 Apr @Hot_Bid @Kennigit zenio not checked in
Notice that this was at 22:26, so much later than the conversation between admins and the Chinese players.
MLG reserved 64 slots for players on teams that they had dealt with in the past. I am sure a Team Liquid player was one of them and was already put into the bracket.
I don't know when they checked in using the MLG website, only when this discussion took place on B.net.
The admin of MLG confirmed that they were checked in.
They were checked into a que of 1,000 players for a 512 man bracket. Your players weren't the only ones who didn't get to play.
So you mean Chinese famous progamers like Jim should be regarded the same as other bronze level amateur ladder players playing game for fun?
your "Chinese famous progamers" might not be held in the same regards as the NA/KR progamers, thus being categorized the same as any random first come first serve signee. Personally I wouldnt scan the signup list to reserve a spot for this random Jim dude. Who the hell is he? (sorry I only watch GSL/SPL/DH/MLG/IEM/NASL/IPL)
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
I already thanked you for clarifying the situation in the posts above, lol.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
But Alive is on EG and there were 64 slots reserved by MLG for professional players, as explained before. This was announced at the same time the rules for the qualifiers were made public.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
They register in top 512, and not listed in bracket, thats what i am saying here. If they are not register in top 512, there will be no complain.
On April 22 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: [quote] They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
But Alive is on EG and there were 64 slots reserved by MLG for professional players, as explained before. This was announced at the same time the rules for the qualifiers were made public.
Cool, which means 64 people from top 512 will lost their space .
On April 22 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: [quote] They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
They register in top 512, and not listed in bracket, thats what i am saying here. If they are not register in top 512, there will be no complain.
Do you have a link for that information? I can't find where any of the Chinese players signed up.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
As someone who gives professional answers to people all the time, its fine. He doesn't need to use expressly clear language to make sure they perfectly understand everything along the way. The players asked if they were signed in. He said "Yep, good to go" and then moved on. It isn't his job to explain to them that there is a que to get into the brackets.
So the players didn't even know that there would be a que, nor was there any information of the process of the tournament, that's interesting to know.
Its on the website in big red letters under "WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament" that clearly explains how the que works. It says IMPORTANT and has a link to a thread about how 512 people already signed up and the que was full. What the fuck else do you want, MLG to read it to them in Chinese to make sure they got it?
Yeah ok everybody should know now, that the rules regarding the spots were clear and that players like Oz and Alicia signed up so late because they had reserved slots. But the key is why are there reserve Slots for worse players and why MLG messed up the whole Qualifier so badly. And why for example MacSad got a slot and other iG Members didn't though they all registered at the same time??? Don't understand how you can defend MLG for this mess. And i bet u don't have an answer to that key points since you don't work for MLG, hopefully
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