On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
OK I get it, at least there is indeed information.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
then you don't find it a little odd that none of the famous NA/KR team players had trouble getting in?
(any proof to the counter would also be welcome)
even if by some circumstance that all the NA/KR pros mashed buttons in time and SEA/CN players didn't, wouldn't you say it's a problem to use first come first serve when you are the only tournament players on one side of the globe can play in?
They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
OK I get it, at least there is indeed information.
Yeah, I don't think there was misinformation, but it sounds like someone misread the rules and didn't realized some of the players signed up after the 512 slots were filled. I am sure if they knew, they would have contacted MLG before the day of the event to make sure their players made it into the bracket.
On April 22 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: [quote] They may have overlooked the Chinese players, which is not surprising since this is the first I have heard of them
So your personal ignorance of the Chinese SC2 scene is a good enough excuse for there not to be reservations for Chinese pros?
Yep. MLG is not responsible to assure that every single professional from every single time makes it into the open qualifier. If the Chinese teams wanted to be in this event, they should have lobbied MLG for one of those 64 slots once they saw that all of NA could sign up free of charge.
Which according to the screenshot they did, they pm-ed an admin asking for verification that their players were included, then they suddenly becomes un-included.
Do you read or do you just make assumptions?
@MLGSundance Chinese players missed que times. 1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event. Twitch mods chat not us. Blizz wants all game on WCS.
@SaintSnorlax @MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.
@MLGSundance checked in = in the que.
ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.
We had 1000 players que
It was a 1000 person que for 512 slots. They missed out like the other 488 players who showed up after the 512 that got in.
Which makes no sense for the admin to say you are good to go. What kind of unprofessional answer is that? Why would you even use ambiguous language with people who's first language may not be English? Sundance goes from missing the queue times to checked in to the 1000 player queue.
Plus there is no rule about queues as far as I looked up on the gamebattles website.
"IMPORTANT - Check In Procedure Information (LINK)
Check In starts at 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th You MUST Check In, in order to be seeded into the Bracket. Failure to Check In during the Check In times will exclude you from the bracket. If more than 512 players register, including reserved spots, and check-in by 12:50 pm ET on Saturday (4/20), seeds will be distributed according to the order in which players registered. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. In the event that more players check in than bracket positions are available for, the bracket will not be expanded past 512 players."
It is in 36-42 font, red and in the center of the page. And I stand corrected: The que is in the order of when people signed up for the event. Sign in time had nothing to do with it. So the Chinese players registered later that the other 512 people.
OK I get it, at least there is indeed information.
Yeah, I don't think there was misinformation, but it sounds like someone misread the rules and didn't realized some of the players signed up after the 512 slots were filled. I am sure if they knew, they would have contacted MLG before the day of the event to make sure their players made it into the bracket.
Ya, given the assumption that both player and admin had read the information regarding the check in procedure then the info the admin gave the Chinese makes perfect sense. It's clear that being checked in doesn't guarantee you a spot in the actual bracket.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
On April 22 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Quick question, what is the whole Comm <-> Fruitbasket story?
apparently FruitsBasket is just some random Chinese amateur. Some guy on the Chinese forums claimed FruitsBasket gave Comm his account after round 1 because Comm didnt get in. The guy got banned for harassing pros or something. Nothing has been proven. Apparently FruitsBasket owned some people so there were rumors that it was Comm smurf.
That banned guy posted under a fake account with iG coach's name several pages ago, he doesn't even know Comm isn't on iG anymore lol.
Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
On April 22 2013 04:04 digmouse wrote: Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
I don't think Blizzard has anything to do with this. It appears the teams have been communicating with MLG directly. I would check with MLG to see how to be communicate for future events and not rely on Blizzard.
On April 22 2013 04:04 digmouse wrote: Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
I don't think Blizzard has anything to do with this. It appears the teams have been communicating with MLG directly. I would check with MLG to see how to be communicate for future events and not rely on Blizzard.
blizzard not having anything to do with their big tournament that is supposed to save le esports is a part of the problem, not an excuse. MLG is not used to running a non-NA tournament, which this one is due to the fact Blizzard did not provide any non-korean asian tournament and only NA servers had playable ping for those players.
This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
There's a lot of thing said in this thread. Can a mod confirm a fact or two and get it added to the OP? Why were they actually omitted from the bracket?
On April 22 2013 07:08 Inimic wrote: There's a lot of thing said in this thread. Can a mod confirm a fact or two and get it added to the OP? Why were they actually omitted from the bracket?
Or are the mods just for bans?
Some of the players were not included in the bracket because they registered after the 512 cap. They apparently did not read that rule and thought they were all set to play, when several of the professionalism players had no chance of making it into the bracket. They did not seem to be aware that the event was well over capacity and just assumed they would get in.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Please why are you so ignorant?? He's saying that MLG did an bad job organising this online Qualifier. And thats 100% true, regardless of the situation with the chinese pros, which was handled not very profesional. Some key points: Just 1 Qualifier, just RO 512, just 1 stream, no skill limit, reserved slots and so on... And it was already said that they asked more then one time why the players aren't in bracket and if the bracket is already finished. Pls just stop saying MLG did fine..
On April 22 2013 04:04 digmouse wrote: Also there is something I forget to mention: the decision to play in NA and EU was made by the teams and Blizzard China, Blizzard China was supposed to contact MLG and ESL to secure some sort of spots or something, I don't know what part Blizzard China take part in, I would be greatly disappointed if they did contact MLG and didn't get any sort of feedback.
I don't think Blizzard has anything to do with this. It appears the teams have been communicating with MLG directly. I would check with MLG to see how to be communicate for future events and not rely on Blizzard.
digmouse is heavily involved with the Chinese scene. TL even did an interview with him and put it up as a expose on the Chinese scene. I would take his word if I were you.
i feel so bad for you guys now "Comm" gets dqd after being one series away from qualifying. mlg is acting ridiculously bad. sorry for the chinese community t.t
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