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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 16:22:39
April 21 2013 16:21 GMT
#301

Sundance, you got owned, stop lying man. The evidence in the screenshot has b.net time stamp, they wasn't late.
On April 21 2013 04:22 jalen wrote:

[image loading]
[image loading]

GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 21 2013 16:24 GMT
#302
On April 22 2013 01:21 rei wrote:
https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/325989465258618882
Sundance, you got owned, stop lying man. The evidence in the screenshot has b.net time stamp, they wasn't late.
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 04:22 jalen wrote:

[image loading]
[image loading]



Moderatorlickypiddy
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 16:25:40
April 21 2013 16:25 GMT
#303
On April 22 2013 01:00 jalen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 00:57 Enders116 wrote:
On April 22 2013 00:47 IG,Edision wrote:
Ban Chinese pro gamer PLZ. IG.COMM use fruitbasket ID to play the game. IG team didn't catch the check in , all the fault come from IG end. There is no excuse to use fake ID to play the game. Fruitbasket is not registered under Chinese pro gammer "COMM" 's ID . Fruitbasket found IG didn't check in ,then just give his own ID to COMM. It is not Esport spirit.

Edison,这是宾哥。。。

你如果真真的是edison,发给我个消息在QQ上。

This one is a troller. WTF


It's a troll, I'll ask a mod to ban him, this guy was banned from neotv for trash talking chinese pros.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 21 2013 16:27 GMT
#304
On April 22 2013 01:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:21 rei wrote:
https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/325989465258618882
Sundance, you got owned, stop lying man. The evidence in the screenshot has b.net time stamp, they wasn't late.
On April 21 2013 04:22 jalen wrote:

[image loading]
[image loading]



https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/325995457069342720

That pretty much clears that up. They showed up late, got put in the que and didn't get in. Life is hard, get a helmet and a watch. I love the people claiming that MLG shut them out for some reason, because they have something to gain from that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
April 21 2013 16:28 GMT
#305
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
SnoLys
Profile Joined August 2011
149 Posts
April 21 2013 16:31 GMT
#306
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
Show nested quote +

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que



The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 21 2013 16:33 GMT
#307
On April 22 2013 01:31 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que



The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...

Well we don't have the whole discussion, only the part that benefits the Chinese players. I am willing to bet there was a discussion earlier where they were informed they were late.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
April 21 2013 16:37 GMT
#308
On April 22 2013 01:31 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que



The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...

agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...
Kentredenite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 16:38:14
April 21 2013 16:37 GMT
#309
Wait, if they were late, then how did MacSed get in the bracket? And if they weren't late, then why were Jim and XY left out? They registered and checked in at the same time, didn't they?

Also, it's really not helping Sundance's case that he can't spell "queue"...
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 16:43:09
April 21 2013 16:38 GMT
#310
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
Show nested quote +

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que


I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it (in English or in Chinese, depending on which language is needed more).

I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.

Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
April 21 2013 16:39 GMT
#311
On April 22 2013 01:37 Kentredenite wrote:
Wait, if they were late, then how did MacSed get in the bracket? And if they weren't late, then why were Jim and XY left out? They registered and checked in at the same time, didn't they?

Also, it's really not helping Sundance's case that he can't spell "queue"...


that's twitter's fault, please don't nitpick something as insignificant as that -_-
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 21 2013 16:40 GMT
#312
On April 22 2013 01:37 Rescawen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:31 SnoLys wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que



The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...

agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...


I want to see the rest of that discussion, rather than the part the Chinese players have selected to show claim they showed up on time. Otherwise it is just a game of "he said, she said".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 16:56:22
April 21 2013 16:41 GMT
#313
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome
Show nested quote +

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que



I talked with iG's coach (the real one obviously), he stated they asked the admin about whether their players were actually checked in and able to play, and got that "good to go", how would you understand this? And they asked numerous times about the bracket for their absence, the answer is that bracket "isn't final", after the "final" bracket was out, they contacted the admin, which told them to contact another admin called hammertime, but got no help but a bunch of apologizes.

Also I briefly checked about the rules for WCS NA qualifier and Gamebattles, didn't find anything about queues, if there is any, please let me know.

I can provide original conversation if needed.

+ Show Spoiler +
iGEdison 0:33:24
但是我问的问题是
能不能在bracket里面
懂了吗?
iGEdison 0:34:59
反正我问的是能不能在BRACKET里面
这边回复是GOOD TO GO
然后我一直在等
后来我还问怎么BRACKET里面没有
他的回复是it's not the final bracket
那你觉得换了是你,如何理解她的话的意思?
iGEdison 0:35:53
后面那段是。。
我问is it the final bracket
他回答no,it's not
然后最终对阵表出来后。。
我各种问什么情况
iGEdison 0:36:56
他丢了个hammertime的管理员给我
说他能解决我的问题
但是这个hammertime除了和我说i do apologize以外。。没有实质性的东西。。
最后我只能去找jason
可是还是因为对阵表已经出来了。。而且在打了
iGEdison 0:37:56
所以无法改变
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Kentredenite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States220 Posts
April 21 2013 16:42 GMT
#314
On April 22 2013 01:39 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:37 Kentredenite wrote:
Wait, if they were late, then how did MacSed get in the bracket? And if they weren't late, then why were Jim and XY left out? They registered and checked in at the same time, didn't they?

Also, it's really not helping Sundance's case that he can't spell "queue"...


that's twitter's fault, please don't nitpick something as insignificant as that -_-

I don't see why it would be twitter's fault that MacSed got in and Jim and XY didn't...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 21 2013 16:42 GMT
#315
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que


I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.

I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.

Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.


Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
April 21 2013 16:43 GMT
#316
I'm just disappointed by this situation. I really wanted to see some Chinese players advance.
SnoLys
Profile Joined August 2011
149 Posts
April 21 2013 16:43 GMT
#317
On April 22 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:37 Rescawen wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:31 SnoLys wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que



The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...

agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...


I want to see the rest of that discussion, rather than the part the Chinese players have selected to show claim they showed up on time. Otherwise it is just a game of "he said, she said".


While that would be lovely, the part provided leaves little room to multiple understandings.

Someone saying "They are all checked in and good to go", it doesn't sound like what Sundance is trying to portrait, like they were in queue. Specially the "good to go", this doesn't sound like queue.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 21 2013 16:46 GMT
#318
On April 22 2013 01:43 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:37 Rescawen wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:31 SnoLys wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que



The admin said they "were good to go", that doesn't sound like they are in queue...

agreed, if MLG argues that they are good to go in que then its just absurd...


I want to see the rest of that discussion, rather than the part the Chinese players have selected to show claim they showed up on time. Otherwise it is just a game of "he said, she said".


While that would be lovely, the part provided leaves little room to multiple understandings.

Someone saying "They are all checked in and good to go", it doesn't sound like what Sundance is trying to portrait, like they were in queue. Specially the "good to go", this doesn't sound like queue.


Because the discussion could be: "Your late and its first come first server. I put you into the que, but we only have so many slots."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
April 21 2013 16:46 GMT
#319
Frankly, when I first read the screen shot I assumed "good to go" meant they were checked in. Being checked did not guarantee you a spot. "Good to go" is just to ambiguous of a response though. Especially when you are speaking to someone in what might not be there first language. Really is a shame because people like Jim and Comm had a legitimate chance to qualify.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
April 21 2013 16:46 GMT
#320
On April 22 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:38 Enders116 wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:28 Waxangel wrote:
any statements from the chinese players/community/teams in response to this would be welcome

‏@MLGSundance
Chinese players missed que times.
1000+ players tried to get into a 512 person event.
Twitch mods chat not us.
Blizz wants all game on WCS.

‏@SaintSnorlax
@MLGSundance your word against theirs, regarding the Chinese players. They screencapped your admin saying they're good to go.

‏@MLGSundance
checked in = in the que.

ambiguous but it doesn't say that the player was in the 512.

We had 1000 players que


I am not a Chinese player, I am not even Chinese, I am not even remotely asian, but I am a caster that studies Chinese as his university major, and if a western event is featuring a key Chinese-Speaking player or a player well-renowned by Chinese players, I take the opportunity that I can to cast it.

I want to say that I feel Blizzard should be held most accountable for this, moreso than MLG. The WCS is ultimately governed by Blizzard, and the opportunity to see the prestigious players of one's country compete in WCS, the symbols of national pride, the people who represent a country, was almost all but thoroughly taken from the hands of the Chinese players.

Heart of the Swarm hasn't even been released in China yet, thanks to Blizzard, and WoL wasn't released until 9 months after it came out in the U.S.A.


Why is it Blizzard's or MLG's fault if the players show up late because they misread the time?
I'm saying it's Blizzards fault for overall failure to support the Chinese scene. Not MLG's. Besides that, there were inconsistencies from region to region with how the format worked.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
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