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Obzy
United States525 Posts
not for me specifically because I rather want to die, but Up until this point, you've seemed to be agreeing with Warent because he wants to kill Rain - and now you mention that his filter's short and he's been tunneling Rain only. Why has this not been a problem until I bring up questioning how he would react to killing Rain instead of himself? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 11 2013 02:47 Obzy wrote: So then, to start things off tomorrow since I don't expect to be here, I'd like to propose a Jarjar lynch. The primary thing he did this game was push kirby. Other than that, he gave me and Rainbows townreads (okay), and Warent and Ravens scumreads (okay w/e). He's basically still lurking and hasn't pitched in to the major conversations. And nobody else is talking so fuck it I'll just quietly go insane for the next 6 hours before I ideally get executed and then can stop worrying about town I see Ravens just posted - It definitely does, but really, I have no idea who's who. I could say "I think it's these 3" and then afk until I die, or I could at least TRY to promote thought. If he says his scum reads are similar to mine then (or vice-versa), it implies that he is accepting of Jarjar and Smancer lynches. Who would you remove from that equation to lynch Rain with, or would you change it up entirely? Not too sure. I got basically two combinations in my head: Both involve Warance and Smancer, simply because Someone has to be pushing the lynch. The only flaw with this is the way Rainbows has been playing, i'm more inclined to believe that hes with Warance and just ignoring him and focusing on me; with the way the kills and lynches have gone down Its easily pushable towards me. Plus I mean, Warant and Rainbows have gotten away with basically wasting their votes both lynches. So the team would be Warant, Smancer, Rainbows. If Rainbows isn't with warant, then I would say Warant, Smancer, and Jarjar... but i find it hard to just drop all my opinions on rainbows like that. Maybe thats the confirmation bias I seem to have written up. But it would give a reason to get rid of people supporting rainbows, making him look guilty, or killing people to make rainbows look right by WIFOM. I find the idea of Warant, Rainbows, and Jarjar unlikely to be together, because then they are managing to do so much with no one pushing a lynch, and I think there has to be atleast one somewhere... right? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 11 2013 02:53 Obzy wrote: Ravens, you posting at night would be a godsend for the game, + Show Spoiler + not for me specifically because I rather want to die, but Up until this point, you've seemed to be agreeing with Warent because he wants to kill Rain - and now you mention that his filter's short and he's been tunneling Rain only. Why has this not been a problem until I bring up questioning how he would react to killing Rain instead of himself? I didn't even realize he voted for Rain day one actually. Maybe because no one seems to be jumping at it like they are jumping on me? It wasn't until you mentioned it mixed with the vote switch I started to think about it, basically everyones case against me is I'm tunneling rainbows, but warant hasn't done much else either when you look at it. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
And I did some work for a bit and then re-imagined Rain winning as scum and my vision went red so despite my post yesterday I'm open to lynching Rain largely out of potential spite. Do you think that Smancer looks objectively scummy, or is it just that he has been pushing incorrect lynches? I'd identified him through process of elimination, he has been a very difficult read for me. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 11 2013 02:53 Obzy wrote: [+ Show Spoiler + not for me specifically because I rather want to die, but You know as well as I do that killing anything that makes it simpler for the town is not going to happen. + Show Spoiler + Especially not when you pulled a Rainbows. WHY DIDN'T YOU WAIT TILL TOMORROW DAMN IT?! | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 11 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote: You know as well as I do that killing anything that makes it simpler for the town is not going to happen. + Show Spoiler + Especially not when you pulled a Rainbows. WHY DIDN'T YOU WAIT TILL TOMORROW DAMN IT?! + Show Spoiler + Sorry. I guess I hadn't calmed down. It would've been significantly wiser to wait until immediately before the day post and then post that, but I honestly want to get NK'd and have no faith that I'd be able to actually land a protect. It was selfish of me, and bad play - but, as is my seeming catchphrase, I never claimed to be good. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I'm even assuming that I should've posted a claim at all, which was in itself a poor play. If I was going to claim, I should have done so at the end of this night. The proper play would be to have kept a level head and kept my motivation up and not claimed at all. I was never going to be mislynched anyways. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 11 2013 03:13 Obzy wrote: Jarjar? No fucking clue. Hes only a few post behind Warant and at least he did someting thattook a risk yesterday I guess? Best I can come up with, but I'm not trying very had.Interesting. How would you to propose to defend Jarjar, then? If Warent, Smancer, and Rain are scum, that is. Jarjar basically tunneled Kirby with a few extra reads; if he had been tunneling Rain futilely instead, I'd think they'd occupy a similar niche. And I did some work for a bit and then re-imagined Rain winning as scum and my vision went red so despite my post yesterday I'm open to lynching Rain largely out of potential spite. Do you think that Smancer looks objectively scummy, or is it just that he has been pushing incorrect lynches? I'd identified him through process of elimination, he has been a very difficult read for me. Well, when it come to Smancer, I guess I rushed when I just tossed him in, largely based off that last mnute vote switch and then actually swithcing back unlike Moloch.. Everything I said could apply to Moloch too, as they both distanced a little bit, but Smancer cared enough about his image to swich back. Fish, I don't have this extra piece of evidence so I have a more null read on him as opposed to the other two. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
Also, I've been rereading abunch since alot of my reads were based on Jkirby flipping red. I pretty much feel like I'm back @ square one so I'm trying to figure stuff out. I'm not really sure what I can do to get people not to lynch me tomorrow since jrkirby condemmed me before his death and you're doing the same and surely gonna die. But I'm trying to figure it out. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
JarJar, even if people aren't going to listen to you necessarily, that's no excuse imho for not trying to join the conversation. In your last game, I noticed that you didn't post much until you started defending yourself [I only skimmed trying to look at the days going by between your posts, lol] so you've been playing like your town self that game. The thing is, your town self isn't very townie, and that's why you got mislynched despite having a blue claim in the back pocket and picking up your activity significantly on lynch day. You aren't CURRENTLY getting any votes, since it's night. I very much recommend that you start posting actively immediately. Nobodywonder was a similarly null read for me a couple of days ago, and now he's a strong town read due to his increase in activity and the way he thought. If you don't pick up your activity in some way or another to show that you're townie, you will only avoid the lynch through dumb luck, not arguments and defending yourself, in my opinion. Whether that be as scum or town. We will have 8 people alive tomorrow - 7 if rainbows is idiotically not roleblocked and fires to confirm himself. There are 3 scum left, and everybody town can ignore themselves as a possible scum, of course. We've got a 40%+ chance of random lynching and hitting scum ffs. If you pick up your activity in a pro-town way and we hit scum tomorrow, I don't care if you're scum today, that will stave off your lynch for another day and then you have to do it again tomorrow and if you do it again tomorrow then you survive two days and then you can't do it and you'll get lynched for being scum. High activity helps from EVERYBODY. Your reads are town on me and Rain - both blue claims, at this point. Scummy on Warent and Ravens - Ravens for distancing from a scumbuddy, which doesn't mean anything now, and Warent for placing suspicion on Rainbows. How do you consider Warent and Rainbows right now? And has your view on Ravens changed? | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
Day one lynch: TheRavensname (1) Rainbows Rainbows (2) Warent, TheRavensName jrkirby (2) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder jampidampi (4) Smancer, Obzy, Fishgle, Moloch JarJarDrinks (3) Saraf, jrkirby, jampidampi Day two lynch: TheRavensname (2) Rainbows, Moloch Rainbows (2) TheRavensName, Warent jrkirby (5) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder, Fishgle, Obzy, Smancer JarJarDrinks (1) jrkirby #Fact 1 TheRavensName and Warent has been voting on the same lynch twice Fishgle, Obzy and Smancer - || - JarJarDrinks and nobodywonder - || - My assumption from day one: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=26#509 see this post for some reasoning Same assumption is most likely valid today - doesn't really change anything though. We also know that JarJarDrinks and nobodywonder have been voting on misslynches two days in a row. Obviously voting for a misslynch doesn't necessarily tell us much except that they have been wrong twice. Another fact that jrkirby pointed out before he was crushed: The three who voted JarJarDrinks on day one: Saraf, jrkirby, jampidampi are all gone. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
1. Don't blindly trust my reads. I'm bad. They're just opinions. Guaranteed opinions, truthful opinions, yes - but just opinions. 2. We're going to lose - And would you like to know why I think that is? Because in the 18 hours since I claimed, there have been posts by four people, and three of them were the people I had called out as scum in my claim post. Sheesh. I see you just posted, Warent - I will read it when I get back from lunch. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
Also, how can an opinion be guaranteed? | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
It will be guaranteed when I die tonight, then. If you have been legitimately reading me as non-town to a point that you think my opinions are not town opinions, you are mafia, horrible, or insane. Warent, I like that piece of information quite a bit - that JarJar's voters are dead. I don't really know why you'd specifically point out that JarJar and nobodywonder have voted on mislynches twice in a row - I mean, so did Smancer, Fish, and myself. Assuming your assumption is correct; Smancer obviously is my pick for the scum on jampi's wagon. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:44 Obzy wrote: Picky, picky, picky. It will be guaranteed when I die tonight, then. If you have been legitimately reading me as non-town to a point that you think my opinions are not town opinions, you are mafia, horrible, or insane. Warent, I like that piece of information quite a bit - that JarJar's voters are dead. I don't really know why you'd specifically point out that JarJar and nobodywonder have voted on mislynches twice in a row - I mean, so did Smancer, Fish, and myself. Assuming your assumption is correct; Smancer obviously is my pick for the scum on jampi's wagon. Eh, me throw this in as impossibiltiy hes on a scum team with rainbows and jarjar, but not that hes with smancer and rainbows. Makes Jarjar and NW look bad while forgetting about smancers. | ||
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
I mean, so did Smancer, Fish, and myself. Assuming your assumption is correct; Smancer obviously is my pick for the scum on jampi's wagon. Yeah, I should probably have mentioned that, just thought it was more obvious since you three had been voting for the lynch both times. | ||
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Smancer
United States379 Posts
On April 11 2013 02:53 Obzy wrote: I rather want to die Come on man, On March 30 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. I've been reading through events. I think our best chance at finding scum at this point is to focus on Raven versus Rainbows. Its no secret that I wanted to flip vote to Raven at the last minute last night. I also believe Rainbows claim. The one thing that is just really bothering me from yesterdays events, other than my own play in mislynching is that Raven changed his vote from Rainbows to Moloch. Why? He had tunneled rainbows since Rainbows claim. And furthermore he just went back to rainbows anyway bit later. And then Rainbows. At first I believed his claim. I mean no one countered it right? Ravens said he fake claimed before, apparently for the fun of it #YOLOSWAG... But think about how much that really hurt town. Raven said you don't claim Vig day 1 because you never get your shot off. And it is true, we haven't gotten a shot off. I really want to get to the bottom of this because I think it is our best lead. | ||
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Smancer
United States379 Posts
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