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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I'm a Techie. (Doctor) I'd jokingly say AMA but I don't want to be asked things, unless it's my opinion on people and how things are panning out. If Rainbows was town, he would know that he was a proper vigilante, and there are two confirmed blues. Saying that there can't be three is flat-out-incorrect, obviously, and he wouldn't say it unless he believed it. If Rainbows was scum, he would know by now there IS no proper vigilante, and there is no roleblocker - as there were no roleblocks claimed, or roleblockings claimed. So there is no roleblocker. As such, he KNOWS there is a doctor. Saying that there can't be three blues is absolute suicide if he fakeclaimed. He would KNOW there's another blue. So I feel like it's a fact that Rainbows is blue, and he only made that statement because he was so certain there were only two blues, as it was his past experience. So that brings us to Ravens. Ravens has insanely tunneled Rain all game. Rain is a blue. (Fact) - If Ravens was scum, Ravens would absolutely know that Rain was blue. Warent's reasoning sucked (scum of course) - they totally would've left Rain alive, and wouldn't've killed him. I've explained this before and I won't again. Ask the coaches. So why would Ravens tunnel Rain if Rain was town? Pure insanity as scum. Bad play if town, but he's probably just paranoid because of Rain's behavior last game - in the whole, he doesn't want to lose to Rain being ridiculous again, way. So atm I think he's town too, under the effectively certain read that Rain is town. Moloch and nobodywonder talked all day with kirby and I. I'm town, kirby's town - they're fucking town. End of discussion, that's my read. Fish is town. Nobody else is even remotely skeptical of me. That leaves only three people. QED. I had been planning all game on OMGUSing the first person to vote for me, and I've picked up zero votes all game iirc so I never got the chance, and I won't tomorrow because I'm gonna die tonight almost 100%. If the scum, Smancer, Warent, and Jarjar leave me alive, then I'll be pushing them all day tomorrow. That would kinda be a pain in all likelihood for them -_- Thoughts? Sorry for being mean to everybody at various points throughout this game, I'm stressed, but it doesn't excuse my behavior. I apologize. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
Obzy, why would u claim right now? DOn't get that @ all. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 10 2013 10:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: I had a feeling when he was screaming for the town to "lynch JarJar tomorrow" it was gonna be bad. Sorry but I voted my read. I don't like how people are turning on me already since I think my reasoning was sound and obviously several people agreed with me. Obzy, why would u claim right now? DOn't get that @ all. On April 10 2013 10:15 Obzy wrote: I sort of want people to trust me, and I sort of am okay with dying this night since I slacked at work today trying to help the thread so much. My will to play is sort of sapped, and I sort of feel like I'm just kinda bad. Most of all, I don't want people to waste their time thinking about me in scumteams just because I'm a retard who lynched townies twice. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
Who pushed for not changing from another obvious mislynched: Obzy. Obzy if you disagree that fakeclaiming from a scumperspective was a good move you don't even have a clue what logic looks like. You keep repeating yourself "I feel scummy" but my posts "looks pro town". Can't do any indepth analysis from work, that'll have to wait. When I come back home I'll compare this lynch with yesterdays and see if we can draw some hard fatcs about that. I'm really tired of you guys baseing reads and lynches on guts instead of looking at possible motives. | ||
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
As such, he KNOWS there is a doctor. Saying that there can't be three blues is absolute suicide if he fakeclaimed. He would KNOW there's another blue. No one knows how many power roles there are, I believe they are distributed randomly. I don't know, you don't and Rainbow don't. there is no way he could have known if there is a doc or not. His "gogo another blueclaim challenge" is yet again not motivated from a town perspective. But from a scum perspective? Hell yes it is motivated. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
And yea I'm going to agree with Warent: all Rainbows just successfully did was blue fish; yet I'm the one who gets a random switch at the end of the lynch (The hell is that guys? Don't even have a reason behind it. Just Fuck it why not?) Now I woke up late and have to head to school so, I'll be back later. (I dislike posting at night and have nothing to add against Rainbows that hasn't already been stated, and I get called scum when looking for other leads so I don't see the point.) | ||
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Smancer
United States379 Posts
@TRN yea the last minute switch about that.For me it gets pretty intense right around deadline. My heart is pounding and I went on instinct there. Then I read Obzy's post about not throwing away a days work etc. So I switched back. I honestly don't even know anymore. I keep changing my mind, I build what I think are strong cases against people who are town, and then they get lynched. Should I even try to build cases today? I feel like I am just going to be wrong. I think what I will do today is keep my mouth shut until after this night time is over. I will in the mean time try to reread the thread and focus specifically on Rainbows vs TRN. I'll take Warrents advice and try to determine motives. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=34#666 a few posts later Moloch points out a flaw and I answer to that as well But perhaps it's time to focus more on likely scum-teams rather than individual scums. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I really, really hope I get shot tonight. If I don't, I might land a protect on somebody and the scumteam will require an additional mislynch to win, so they had better gift me this. Warent, entirely hypothetically, what if in my -imaginary- -luck shot- -guess- scumteam prediction you were replaced with Rainbows? And the number of blue roles, yes, is unknown to all players, but I feel it's a safe assumption that it's either 2 or 3, and we could all have safely assumed that at the beginning of the game. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
On April 11 2013 00:48 Obzy wrote: + Show Spoiler + I really, really hope I get shot tonight. If I don't, I might land a protect on somebody and the scumteam will require an additional mislynch to win, so they had better gift me this. Warent, entirely hypothetically, what if in my -imaginary- -luck shot- -guess- scumteam prediction you were replaced with Rainbows? And the number of blue roles, yes, is unknown to all players, but I feel it's a safe assumption that it's either 2 or 3, and we could all have safely assumed that at the beginning of the game. Then all of a sudden your scum read would be very similar to mine. And I like the idea of providing scum-team reads at this point in time instead of just looking at individual scums. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 11 2013 00:48 Obzy wrote: + Show Spoiler + I really, really hope I get shot tonight. If I don't, I might land a protect on somebody and the scumteam will require an additional mislynch to win, so they had better gift me this. Warent, entirely hypothetically, what if in my -imaginary- -luck shot- -guess- scumteam prediction you were replaced with Rainbows? And the number of blue roles, yes, is unknown to all players, but I feel it's a safe assumption that it's either 2 or 3, and we could all have safely assumed that at the beginning of the game. This post has me curious enough to go against my opinion of night posts: Why would you want to? I mean its cool that you want to join me and War with going against Rainbows... but why? I mean...Look at his filter, its only two tabs long, making it the second shortest besides Jarjar's and Sarafs (Who is dead.). All he has done is (No offense, just stating something) is attack rainbows with almost no retaliation from people, at least compared to the amount I seem to be getting. Doesn't that seem, just a little bit odd to you? | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I see Ravens just posted - It definitely does, but really, I have no idea who's who. I could say "I think it's these 3" and then afk until I die, or I could at least TRY to promote thought. If he says his scum reads are similar to mine then (or vice-versa), it implies that he is accepting of Jarjar and Smancer lynches. Who would you remove from that equation to lynch Rain with, or would you change it up entirely? | ||
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