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In my opinion, a business needs to make decisions that benefit themselves in some way.
You cannot call a business a business if they are expected to behave like a charity.
The time puma was in EG is a long enough indication of his 'progress' and like every employee to a business, needs to perform to standards subject to review every now and then.
In my eyes, puma was always a player player. He was not known for his personality, infact I myself have rarely had the opportunity to hear him speak. He is a shy personality, holds plenty of humility and humbleness but that doesn't induce mass excitement from fans. If you are known to be a a player on a team for your skill, and your value is in your skill, and after a while you no longer are of that standard, then you have less value. Naturally, EG will respond to this. A successful organisation like EG does not get there by being frivolous with its money.
Hate pointed towards the lesser performing players of the team should be considered with some retrospect. incontrol whilst not known for his skill, is known for his contribution to the community. And, perhaps other players who you feel aren't the cusp of talent are due for a review too? Maybe thats already happen and they're quite happy to take pay cuts etc.
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If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
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On March 15 2013 22:43 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:27 HornyHerring wrote:
I stand by what I said, don't care that EG has players and "players". Well then you would be wrong. Incontrol is valuable to EG and is probably making good money from them. Not something huge, but enough to sustain comfortable lifestyle and support a family.
Yes, but they still label him as a player(Hell, he is their team captain, whatever that means) even though it is obvious they keep him for his personality rather than his player skill. It is all about how many eyes you can put on yourself, some people do it by playing well, others do it with their personality(destiny, incontrol, idra for some periods, dragon)
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On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO
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Oh man, EGTL need more terrans. Taeja and Thorzain ain't enough.
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There are a few other EG players currently overpaid and underperforming worst than Puma. But they stay on because of their popularity with NA fans, that I suppose makes up for their lack of results.
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On March 15 2013 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO
I've been watching proleague, doesn't matter. JYP will probably linger around Code A for a bit and disappear. There is much better talent in KOrea. JYP never impressed me. EG can do better.
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On March 15 2013 22:43 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:27 HornyHerring wrote:
I stand by what I said, don't care that EG has players and "players". Well then you would be wrong. Incontrol is valuable to EG and is probably making good money from them. Not something huge, but enough to sustain comfortable lifestyle and support a family.
Incontrol provides so much value for EG on the media end. He loves to compete and its great that keeps throwing his hat in the ring, but he true strength is in the media and keeping EG in the front of everyone’s mind. It takes pressure off of EG’s other players to have media presence and they can focus on practicing.
Teams are just that, teams. Every member does not need to win every event, but keep the team functioning.
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I get it, it's business, but it feels weird how cutthroat and businesslike EG can be in regards to Koreans, yet keep some of their American boys on after no results ever.
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On March 15 2013 22:47 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:43 dabom88 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:27 HornyHerring wrote:
I stand by what I said, don't care that EG has players and "players". Well then you would be wrong. Incontrol is valuable to EG and is probably making good money from them. Not something huge, but enough to sustain comfortable lifestyle and support a family. Yes, but they still label him as a player(Hell, he is their team captain, whatever that means) even though it is obvious they keep him for his personality rather than his player skill. It is all about how many eyes you can put on yourself, some people do it by playing well, others do it with their personality(destiny, incontrol, idra for some periods, dragon)
What should they put him as?
He plays, he's a player. He's also an analyst, shoutcaster, promotor. But he started as a player. They have enough coaches and management and EG's analyst or shoutcaster or promotor simply doesn't cut it as a title on the team.
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On March 15 2013 22:51 sparklyresidue wrote:
I get it, it's business, but it feels weird how cutthroat and businesslike EG can be in regards to Koreans, yet keep some of their American boys on after no results ever.
But they can sell RAM like no other.
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On March 15 2013 22:49 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO I've been watching proleague, doesn't matter. JYP will probably linger around Code A for a bit and disappear. There is much better talent in KOrea. JYP never impressed me. EG can do better.
Alert the EG, JYP hasn't impressed a random nobody although he's achieved some good results, he simply doesn't cut it for a random.
Sorry JYP, but you won't be missed.
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On March 15 2013 22:54 Abominous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:49 jj33 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO I've been watching proleague, doesn't matter. JYP will probably linger around Code A for a bit and disappear. There is much better talent in KOrea. JYP never impressed me. EG can do better. Alert the EG, JYP hasn't impressed a random nobody although he's achieved some good results, he simply doesn't cut it for a random. Sorry JYP, but you won't be missed.
Was waiting for a post like this. Think that affects me?
you come off like a child. just simply saying EG needs better players to be more competitive.
I'm pretty sure JYP's performance has been a disappointment for many people with his stint with EG.
nice try though.
Oh and what good results? Getting obliterated in code S? NOt winning one single foreign tournament? For a Korean protoss who was touted as a Code S talent, his results have been extremely lackluster.
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I think a salary downgrade is always tought to put, in any job. But good luck to Puma, and EG sounds very realistic in this decision.
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if this is the case with puma, I am worried for incontrol and the others.
i hope what they offered incontrol as a result of his poor performance is at least enough to put food on the table
especially now that he has a family. would be horrible to see him starve and suffer because of it.
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On March 15 2013 22:47 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:43 dabom88 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:27 HornyHerring wrote:
I stand by what I said, don't care that EG has players and "players". Well then you would be wrong. Incontrol is valuable to EG and is probably making good money from them. Not something huge, but enough to sustain comfortable lifestyle and support a family. Yes, but they still label him as a player(Hell, he is their team captain, whatever that means) even though it is obvious they keep him for his personality rather than his player skill. It is all about how many eyes you can put on yourself, some people do it by playing well, others do it with their personality(destiny, incontrol, idra for some periods, dragon)
His original statement he "stands behind" makes no mention of the distinction between players and "players" and only talks about results and how much incontrol and machine make. He is wrong and that original statement is the one I'm responding to:
On March 15 2013 22:08 HornyHerring wrote:
If they're cutting Puma for no results and too high salary, players like Machine or Incontrol must be getting little to nothing in order for that statement to be justified.
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On March 15 2013 22:56 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:54 Abominous wrote:On March 15 2013 22:49 jj33 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO I've been watching proleague, doesn't matter. JYP will probably linger around Code A for a bit and disappear. There is much better talent in KOrea. JYP never impressed me. EG can do better. Alert the EG, JYP hasn't impressed a random nobody although he's achieved some good results, he simply doesn't cut it for a random. Sorry JYP, but you won't be missed. Was waiting for a post like this. Think that affects me? you come off like a child. just simply saying EG needs better players to be more competitive. I'm pretty sure JYP's performance has been a disappointment for many people with his stint with EG. nice try though. Oh and what good results? Getting obliterated in code S? NOt winning one single foreign tournament? For a Korean protoss who was touted as a Code S talent, his results have been extremely lackluster.
Why would you rip one of their best Proleague performers especially on a team that stated it is dedicating itself to improving in Proleague. There are players on EG much worse than JYP who need to be cut before him.
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On March 15 2013 22:54 Abominous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:49 jj33 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO I've been watching proleague, doesn't matter. JYP will probably linger around Code A for a bit and disappear. There is much better talent in KOrea. JYP never impressed me. EG can do better. Alert the EG, JYP hasn't impressed a random nobody although he's achieved some good results, he simply doesn't cut it for a random. Sorry JYP, but you won't be missed.
TBH JYP has always been dissapointing, one more grossly overhyped player.
EG needs a true ace, a player with the personality, the mindset, and the skills of a true boss. I sincerely hope coach Park can spank Jaedong into a new bright era, his talent is getting wasted in EG so far.
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On March 15 2013 22:56 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:54 Abominous wrote:On March 15 2013 22:49 jj33 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO I've been watching proleague, doesn't matter. JYP will probably linger around Code A for a bit and disappear. There is much better talent in KOrea. JYP never impressed me. EG can do better. Alert the EG, JYP hasn't impressed a random nobody although he's achieved some good results, he simply doesn't cut it for a random. Sorry JYP, but you won't be missed. Was waiting for a post like this. Think that affects me? you come off like a child. just simply saying EG needs better players to be more competitive. I'm pretty sure JYP's performance has been a disappointment for many people with his stint with EG. nice try though. Oh and what good results? Getting obliterated in code S? NOt winning one single foreign tournament? For a Korean protoss who was touted as a Code S talent, his results have been extremely lackluster.
Okay, I'll play your game. Name another signing with which EG would do better.
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On March 15 2013 23:00 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:54 Abominous wrote:On March 15 2013 22:49 jj33 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 15 2013 22:47 jj33 wrote:
If EG wants to be competitive in Korea, I really hope they get some really good players.
JYP isn't cutting it either.
lol JYP has the most wins in proleague for EGTL tied with HerO I've been watching proleague, doesn't matter. JYP will probably linger around Code A for a bit and disappear. There is much better talent in KOrea. JYP never impressed me. EG can do better. Alert the EG, JYP hasn't impressed a random nobody although he's achieved some good results, he simply doesn't cut it for a random. Sorry JYP, but you won't be missed. TBH JYP has always been dissapointing, one more grossly overhyped player. EG needs a true ace, a player with the personality, the mindset, and the skills of a true boss. I sincerely hope coach Park can spank Jaedong into a new bright era, his talent is getting wasted in EG so far.
exactly. JYP was brought in as a Code S protoss. aaannnd yeaaa... that fizzled out quickly.
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