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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
@Thrawn: I'm not imposing that Syl plays a certain style, I'm saying that Syl should have learned from his mistakes as town by now. Have you read any of Syl's games? If not, I suggest you read NMM 37 and then wonder why he has not compensated for his bad play as town. Do you have a town read on Syl? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
It's exactly like Dieno said. Keir has so little... conviction in anything. On February 26 2013 16:37 Keirathi wrote: I already said I would be fine dueling you. I still think you are scum. On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote: Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it. It just doesn't read like he cares. "I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum. I would appreciate some feedback." "I would be fine dueling you. I think you are scum." Where's the will to actually hunt? I don't see it. Let's kill Keirathi. P.S. Still not placing my vote, the time can only benefit town... but seriously... why are people voting Adam over this guy? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Let's forget my meta argument for a second. Let's take a look at what he has done this game: -Lurked at multiple important points in the game (he has 13 posts when many of us have 60+) -Many of his posts are short, have no real point, and are of no value to the town -Promised scum reads but never delivered on them -Trying to fly under the radar, only brought out when someone asks for it -Sits on the middle of the fence for this lynch, showing he does not really care about the lynch It has scum written all over it. Is there anything I'm missing? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 27 2013 14:50 cDgCorazon wrote: @Snarfs: I literally just said I have a good feeling that they are both town due to my read on Sylencia and his "on the middle of the fence but I'll vote for Adam just cause I need to vote". I'm voting for, in my opinion, is the more useless townie. I think Sylencia's posts imply Keir has a much higher chance of being scum. (If you think Sylencia is scum). | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:10 Snarfs wrote: I think Sylencia's posts imply Keir has a much higher chance of being scum. (If you think Sylencia is scum). He said he had a "null read" on Keir and just voted before Keir did anything to swing that one way or the other. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:14 cDgCorazon wrote: He said he had a "null read" on Keir and just voted before Keir did anything to swing that one way or the other. He voted Adam. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:19 yamato77 wrote: I don't like trying to make Keir scum by association with a player we have no way of reliably determining the alignment of. That's not what I'm trying to do. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 26 2013 18:31 Sylencia wrote: The sad thing is that I don't see Adam being scum, but just a detriment to town. Regarding Keir, I feel like he's pretty much on the same area as I am, not much from him but the fact he's argued with Adam meant that he's been put up for a duel. I'm still null on Keir, but if this is the way Adam wants to play I don't think it's exactly going to help us out in the long run. ##Vote: Adam Sure our reasoning is similar, but he hasn't shown why he has no interest in the lynch, while I have made it clear and concise who I think is scum and who I wanted to see be lynched. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:22 yamato77 wrote: Yes, that's exactly what you're doing. ...well if that's what I'm doing then what I'm doing is not what I'm trying to do -_-. I'm just trying to figure out why Corazon is voting Adam if his top scumread, Sylencia, is voting Adam in a manner that scum would be attempting to subtly kill off a townie (please note, this does not look anything like a bus). At the same time, this only makes sense if Cora truly believes that Keir is town. How can he truly believe Keir is town at this point in the game? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:25 Snarfs wrote: ...well if that's what I'm doing then what I'm doing is not what I'm trying to do -_-. I'm just trying to figure out why Corazon is voting Adam if his top scumread, Sylencia, is voting Adam in a manner that scum would be attempting to subtly kill off a townie (please note, this does not look anything like a bus). At the same time, this only makes sense if Cora truly believes that Keir is town. How can he truly believe Keir is town at this point in the game? Only you're not just talking about Cora's vote... On February 27 2013 15:02 Snarfs wrote: Yea, I just read over Keir and Adam's filters again and I'm even more of the opinion that people should not be voting Adam and should definitely be voting Keir. Especially if you think Sylencia is suspicious at all. It's exactly like Dieno said. Keir has so little... conviction in anything. It just doesn't read like he cares. "I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum. I would appreciate some feedback." "I would be fine dueling you. I think you are scum." Where's the will to actually hunt? I don't see it. Let's kill Keirathi. P.S. Still not placing my vote, the time can only benefit town... but seriously... why are people voting Adam over this guy? Aside from the sentence I bolded, nothing is new in this entire post. I still don't agree that it is alignment indicative of Keir for him to be lurky, or indecisive about his early reads. The only new argument here is that people should NOT vote for Adam because Sylencia IS, which is an association case that is very, very bad. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:29 yamato77 wrote: Only you're not just talking about Cora's vote... Aside from the sentence I bolded, nothing is new in this entire post. I still don't agree that it is alignment indicative of Keir for him to be lurky, or indecisive about his early reads. The only new argument here is that people should NOT vote for Adam because Sylencia IS, which is an association case that is very, very bad. Hm, I guess I think it's a good association and that's where we disagree then. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:25 Snarfs wrote: ...well if that's what I'm doing then what I'm doing is not what I'm trying to do -_-. I'm just trying to figure out why Corazon is voting Adam if his top scumread, Sylencia, is voting Adam in a manner that scum would be attempting to subtly kill off a townie (please note, this does not look anything like a bus). At the same time, this only makes sense if Cora truly believes that Keir is town. How can he truly believe Keir is town at this point in the game? First of all Snarfs, it is what you are doing. Just admit it. Secondly, Sylencia is not voting off Adam for any reason other than to say that he voted for someone. I've put the evidence down to support that. I don't believe Keir is fully town based off of anything. I think they are town based off of Syl's weak vote. I'm voting for who I think is the most useless townie (which is Adam and his hung-ho mentality). Don't get me wrong, I would love to vote for a no-lynch. However, this option is not available, and I refuse to let two people die because if they are both town (which I am leaning towards that persuasion) then we have just given scum a lot more ground than we can already not afford to give them. Sylencia's vote is so weak that it really could've gone the other way had Kei suddenly dueled Adam instead of vice-versa. With his reasoning, his vote could've easily have been on Kei. It's non-commital, which is why I refuse to accept any association cases that are more specific than the one where I think they are both town when it comes to any attacks on my vote. I've already outlined my vote, and to answer the question you will have of "Why are you voting with your top scum read? On February 27 2013 15:22 cDgCorazon wrote: Sure our reasoning is similar, but he hasn't shown why he has no interest in the lynch, while I have made it clear and concise who I think is scum and who I wanted to see be lynched. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
The guy does fuck all as town. I lost a game as town because of his propensity to lurk and be useless. There's zero indication to me that he's CONFIRMED MAFIA and we should get off the person he wants to vote for. The only question here is if you're really dumb enough to push this sort of logic or if you're mafia attempting to manipulate the lynch. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On February 27 2013 14:07 Sylencia wrote: You try to nail me last night for what you're doing at the moment, but worse because you're statement essentially says you're killing off what you believe to probably be 2 townies. If you believe Keir is town, you have no reason to try kill him. Even if he's bad town, he still gives us the numbers we need to stay further afloat vs scum. On February 27 2013 14:07 Sylencia wrote: You try to nail me last night for what you're doing at the moment, but worse because you're statement essentially says you're killing off what you believe to probably be 2 townies. If you believe Keir is town, you have no reason to try kill him. Even if he's bad town, he still gives us the numbers we need to stay further afloat vs scum. The difference between my post and his post is in the timing, he posted his response like 5-6 hours after the duel started, with barely any input by the duelers. My post is almost 24 hours after, Adam doesnt look like he is apologetic, or wants to do anything useful for town at all, even though he acknowledged earlier that it was a bad move. Keir simply doesnt seem to care. There is no conviction behind his posts and again, he is one of the lowest contributers to this thread, even though he is getting lynched. I dont think that Keirathi is gonna flip scum, but on the slight chance that he is trying not to draw flack for his play, I am in favour of lynching him. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote: Have you proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sylencia is mafia? No. Then it's a bad association case. The guy does fuck all as town. I lost a game as town because of his propensity to lurk and be useless. There's zero indication to me that he's CONFIRMED MAFIA and we should get off the person he wants to vote for. The only question here is if you're really dumb enough to push this sort of logic or if you're mafia attempting to manipulate the lynch. Is this to me or Snarfs? | ||
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