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On February 27 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:57 Dienosore wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town. So by your logic, a scum Adam, that was under zero pressure, not in danger of being lynched at all, decides to call a duel on a semi-lurker and put himself up for a lynch as a result? When my alternative, as scum, would have been to sit back and let everyone else go at it and stay out of the limelight. Think about why I am doing this and what my alternatives were. There's only one smart answer and a stack of dumb ones. I've said it a dozen times now.
I'll ask again: are you 3rd party?
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On February 27 2013 12:16 Dienosore wrote:
@Adam: If you really were under zero pressure and not in danger of a lynch, then why not let Thrawn and Keirathi duel it out? I'm 95% sure that's the way the duel was heading until you jumped in. Why put yourself in danger like this?
Asked and answered. Read my filter.
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@Dieno: when I say your maps were not useful, I meant to say they were not useful for other players to make sense of. I can totally understand them being useful to you in scumhunting, and pictures of them *might* help understand your thought process.
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On February 27 2013 12:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 11:57 Dienosore wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town. So by your logic, a scum Adam, that was under zero pressure, not in danger of being lynched at all, decides to call a duel on a semi-lurker and put himself up for a lynch as a result? When my alternative, as scum, would have been to sit back and let everyone else go at it and stay out of the limelight. Think about why I am doing this and what my alternatives were. There's only one smart answer and a stack of dumb ones. I've said it a dozen times now. I'll ask again: are you 3rd party?
No.
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On February 27 2013 12:14 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:07 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 27 2013 12:01 Dienosore wrote:[B]On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it. keir has done fuck all this game........ that is something which is generally regarded as suspicious behavior. his only 2 reads so far are on 1) Adam: this read is entirely based on that one issue of whether not adam is maliciously trying to gain town cred 2) thrawn: he's only supported this read with meta. it is not very difficult for anyone to call out a lurker. when I called hiim out asking him to duel, he said he would but he didn't seem enthusiastic or eager to do so.... which if were town, thinking that I'm scum, he would be eager to duel his scum read Is Keir more scummy than Sylencia or Snarfs? And can't you say the exact same thing about Adam -- he basically only had 2 reads, and they were Dieno and Keir?
this is 100% beside the point. sylencia and snarfs are not getting lynched today so I don't know what point you're trying to prove.
and noo...... you cannot honestly try to compare adam's filter with keir's filter to see who is scumhunting and say keir is doing an equal or better job than adam.
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On February 27 2013 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:18 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 11:57 Dienosore wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town. So by your logic, a scum Adam, that was under zero pressure, not in danger of being lynched at all, decides to call a duel on a semi-lurker and put himself up for a lynch as a result? When my alternative, as scum, would have been to sit back and let everyone else go at it and stay out of the limelight. Think about why I am doing this and what my alternatives were. There's only one smart answer and a stack of dumb ones. I've said it a dozen times now. I'll ask again: are you 3rd party? No.
Then why can you not promise you won't pull such a stunt again?
On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 19:23 Acrofales wrote:
Adam: if you're town, you're a selfish douche who is not playing in town's best interest. I will reevaluate you, but I really feel like policy lynching you for playing like this. I will now fight my instincts, because I don't think policy lyncing idiots is a good idea, but that's the way I feel right now. Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit. I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle. <snip>
You have owned up to it being an anti-town move already. If you know that, why are you not able to promise you won't do it again?
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Sylencia are you ever going to come here and be active? My patience has run out on you. It's obvious that you are not trying to improve your game and that you really do not care about the lynch. You are dodging questions and not helping town at all.
You're scum just sitting here and letting us kill each other off. Your lack of a read gives me the feeling that there are two townies up on the block, and that you are just choosing one to not look indecisive.
Your answers to my arguments are subpar, and your lurking is unacceptable.
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On February 27 2013 12:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 27 2013 11:50 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
anyone. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf What is your conclusion? that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. keir's actual alignment probably doesn't even factor into it. town dienosore should not be looking at someone who hardcore lurked and only introduced 1 unique point to the thread and seeing them as not scummy. The main question is: is Dieno capable of making coherent cases? I was looking over PU and it is the worst possible game to try and read back into. It is clear from his filter that Risen, at least, was not convinced by his scumhunting. Nevertheless, his reads when he died were on 3 scum. The 3 completely obvious scums, but scum all the same. If I recall from CT, his maps were not useful, but he was actively analysing in a coherent manner and not missing obvious shit like Keirathi being virtually AFK. Insofar as I know, Dieno has never rolled scum. It could be as simple as that.
I don't have a problem with dieno looking at kei/adam and deciding that adam is the scummier one. The problem is when he summarizes keir's play as lurky, safe, etc and doesn't seem to be the least bit suspicious.
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On February 27 2013 12:25 cDgCorazon wrote:
Sylencia are you ever going to come here and be active? My patience has run out on you. It's obvious that you are not trying to improve your game and that you really do not care about the lynch. You are dodging questions and not helping town at all.
You're scum just sitting here and letting us kill each other off. Your lack of a read gives me the feeling that there are two townies up on the block, and that you are just choosing one to not look indecisive.
Your answers to my arguments are subpar, and your lurking is unacceptable.
corazon you're scum aren't you. i really hope you are.
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On February 27 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 12:18 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 11:57 Dienosore wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town. So by your logic, a scum Adam, that was under zero pressure, not in danger of being lynched at all, decides to call a duel on a semi-lurker and put himself up for a lynch as a result? When my alternative, as scum, would have been to sit back and let everyone else go at it and stay out of the limelight. Think about why I am doing this and what my alternatives were. There's only one smart answer and a stack of dumb ones. I've said it a dozen times now. I'll ask again: are you 3rd party? No. Then why can you not promise you won't pull such a stunt again? Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 19:23 Acrofales wrote:
Adam: if you're town, you're a selfish douche who is not playing in town's best interest. I will reevaluate you, but I really feel like policy lynching you for playing like this. I will now fight my instincts, because I don't think policy lyncing idiots is a good idea, but that's the way I feel right now. Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit. I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle. <snip> You have owned up to it being an anti-town move already. If you know that, why are you not able to promise you won't do it again?
Because I don't have faith in the 'lets force two other people to duel' policy. Are we really going to go through all this again?
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On February 27 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:25 cDgCorazon wrote:
Sylencia are you ever going to come here and be active? My patience has run out on you. It's obvious that you are not trying to improve your game and that you really do not care about the lynch. You are dodging questions and not helping town at all.
You're scum just sitting here and letting us kill each other off. Your lack of a read gives me the feeling that there are two townies up on the block, and that you are just choosing one to not look indecisive.
Your answers to my arguments are subpar, and your lurking is unacceptable. corazon you're scum aren't you. i really hope you are.
Ummm...what?
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On February 27 2013 12:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't have a problem with dieno looking at kei/adam and deciding that adam is the scummier one. The problem is when he summarizes keir's play as lurky, safe, etc and doesn't seem to be the least bit suspicious.
Of course its a little suspicious, but we are still so early into it that I pretty much have that level of suspicion on everyone. Once you start doing big things to needlessly shake up an already unsure game, then you get put on a different level.
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On February 27 2013 12:26 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:16 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 27 2013 11:50 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
anyone. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf What is your conclusion? that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. keir's actual alignment probably doesn't even factor into it. town dienosore should not be looking at someone who hardcore lurked and only introduced 1 unique point to the thread and seeing them as not scummy. The main question is: is Dieno capable of making coherent cases? I was looking over PU and it is the worst possible game to try and read back into. It is clear from his filter that Risen, at least, was not convinced by his scumhunting. Nevertheless, his reads when he died were on 3 scum. The 3 completely obvious scums, but scum all the same. If I recall from CT, his maps were not useful, but he was actively analysing in a coherent manner and not missing obvious shit like Keirathi being virtually AFK. Insofar as I know, Dieno has never rolled scum. It could be as simple as that. I don't have a problem with dieno looking at kei/adam and deciding that adam is the scummier one. The problem is when he summarizes keir's play as lurky, safe, etc and doesn't seem to be the least bit suspicious.
That's what I meant too. However, there are players who just do that kinda shit. Bill Murray is the famous example. Oats did it just yesterday on Marv, drawing completely illogical conclusions from a nonsense argument.
You can't catch them on making nonsense arguments about alignment, because they do it as both alignments. The trick is to look at whether they are actually trying to figure stuff out.
What I meant to say is that I am not yet sure Dieno falls into the same category. If he doesn't, it might just be as simple as that he's very new to playing scum and doesn't know how to fabricate fake reads to save his life. If he does, well, then 90% of everybody's case against Dieno falls flat on ints face, because he falls in the obvious lynchbait category and you have to look deeper.
So far I get the impression that Dieno is not putting the same effort into figuring stuff out as in PU or CT, but there is both still time and I haven't fully analysed him yet.
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On February 27 2013 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 12:18 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 11:57 Dienosore wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town. So by your logic, a scum Adam, that was under zero pressure, not in danger of being lynched at all, decides to call a duel on a semi-lurker and put himself up for a lynch as a result? When my alternative, as scum, would have been to sit back and let everyone else go at it and stay out of the limelight. Think about why I am doing this and what my alternatives were. There's only one smart answer and a stack of dumb ones. I've said it a dozen times now. I'll ask again: are you 3rd party? No. Then why can you not promise you won't pull such a stunt again? On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 19:23 Acrofales wrote:
Adam: if you're town, you're a selfish douche who is not playing in town's best interest. I will reevaluate you, but I really feel like policy lynching you for playing like this. I will now fight my instincts, because I don't think policy lyncing idiots is a good idea, but that's the way I feel right now. Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit. I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle. <snip> You have owned up to it being an anti-town move already. If you know that, why are you not able to promise you won't do it again? Because I don't have faith in the 'lets force two other people to duel' policy. Are we really going to go through all this again?
Fine, I'm happy killing you. Now all that's left to figure out is whether I really want to kill Keirathi as well or not.
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On February 27 2013 12:29 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 27 2013 12:25 cDgCorazon wrote:
Sylencia are you ever going to come here and be active? My patience has run out on you. It's obvious that you are not trying to improve your game and that you really do not care about the lynch. You are dodging questions and not helping town at all.
You're scum just sitting here and letting us kill each other off. Your lack of a read gives me the feeling that there are two townies up on the block, and that you are just choosing one to not look indecisive.
Your answers to my arguments are subpar, and your lurking is unacceptable. corazon you're scum aren't you. i really hope you are. Ummm...what?
1) you were willing to support the kei/thrawn lynch while having nothing useful written about either of them
2) now you are calling both of the lynch candidates town. that is not how you decide who to lynch... you have to decide which of the candidates are scummier. the question of "who out of adam/keir is most likely scum" is not a conversation that you've shown any real interest in so far.
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I've already answered both of your points Thrawn, look at my filter.
How is any of that not describing Sylencia's play so far? His play is even worse in the fact that he hasn't done any scumhunting and is lurking hardcore.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On February 27 2013 12:33 Acrofales wrote:
So far I get the impression that Dieno is not putting the same effort into figuring stuff out as in PU or CT, but there is both still time and I haven't fully analysed him yet.
You're impression is right. It's true that I haven't put the same effort into this game as my previous two, and unfortunately I'm probably not going to. For both of those games, I was unemployed and had every single minute at my leisure. Now, I have a pretty demanding job that easily takes 7-8 hours of my day, 5 days a week.
That being said, I'm still going to get on here as often as I can, I'm still going to be making my maps, and I'm still going to be mercilessly hunting down scum. I'm just not going to be sitting at my laptop f5'ing every two minutes like I used to =P
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@Cor:
First, sylencia is not up for lynching today is he? So what is your point?
************* reads cor's filter ***************
Ok, so in the only part of you filter where you do talk about why you're voting for adam, you call adam town more times than you actually call him scum. Do you think he's scum or what? You keep going on about how both the lynch candidates are probably town, and what good does that do us? Why won't you help figure who we should vote for?
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The reason I'm still voting for Adam over Kei is that Adam's hasty duel is so scummy. It's scummier than the weak scum points on Kei that could be said for at least 2-3 other people when Adam dueled him (no reads, no thread presence).
If one of them is scum, I think it's more likely to be Adam trying to give himself free town cred by dueling Kei, and the fact that if we lynch Kei and he flips town, Adam can just base his play as being weak and that he was just a going after his scum read. Kei was also a pretty good "lynch bait" with his actions as well, and Adam jumping on "lynch bait" is really scummy as well.
If they are both town, Adam is being the more useless town by going gung-ho and trying to be a hero. I've already said that we don't need any heroes, and yet Adam goes out and decides to play the role of the hero. Even if he is town, it's still an anti-town move by preventing us from using the full time we have for discussion and diverting attention away from other possible (and definitely better) duelists such as Thrawn and Syl.
I don't want to lynch both of them because if they both flip town, that would set the town back very much. The difference between a MYLO and a LYLO is huge, and I'd rather keep Kei around and see if he can turn his game around than let Adam run loose and do whatever he wants.
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acro you still up for lynching them both?
i am
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