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ok this is the type of bs that's pissing me off:
On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
You were "completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir." You looked at keir's filter and couldn't find anything scum-motivated. Are you fucking serious? How could you possibly not be suspicious of keir, regardless of what you think about adam?
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dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
anyone.
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
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On February 27 2013 10:48 Adam4167 wrote:I will consolidate why I find keriathi scummy, as some people seem to be missing it in my filter. His play is lacking conviction and curiosity. I use this to catch many scum players because it is extremely hard to fake. It is what made my vote on Sandroba so easy in ChronoTrigger mafia, when some of the town seemed undecided. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:01 Keirathi wrote:On February 26 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
reads keirathi? No solid reads yet. I'm interested in thrawn, obviously. The town thrawn I know is logical and takes his time to look at all sides of the situation, and I just haven't seen that from him this game. He's just been flying by the seat of his pants (iamp scum, no town, no scum again! Hapa should be a dueler tomorrow!) with little to no reasoning for his "reads". He claims to have no reads, and in the same post, posts about thrawn not playing in line with what he expects from 'town thrawn' - so a read. He doesn't pursue this read with any form of questioning, just leaves it hanging. Then his case on me, and it is a case, he even bolded my name at the top, suggested that I could be acting and how my actions were nefarious. We go back and forth and he ends up arguing that, among other things, I may never have to back up my desire to duel, which is somehow scummy. When this case gets shot down, he starts to back out in a "I never called him scum, don't put words in my mouth" kind of way, which is exactly what I tried in Hero mafia as scum. Since he's gone back to doing nothing. He's produced two reads for the game, neither of which he considers reads, neither of which he calls scum.
This case doesn't convince me of Keirathi's scumminess. Partially because you are reading Keirathi's posts rather differently from the way I read them and partially because some of the things you bring up aren't scumtells.
I do not trust your judgement with regards to Keirathi at the moment, and with Dieno out of the picture for now, that leaves 0 other people you have seriously commented on. You've given brief town reads on some players, but that is about it.
I'm still trying to make up my mind what to do about you. Quite a few people have said that they think that your premature duel could be because you were a triggerhappy townie. Reading your filter again, I can see how they reach that conclusion. However, townies own up to their mistakes. It's clear you realize it was not a good move from a town point of view:
On February 26 2013 21:49 Adam4167 wrote:
LOL YEP, that quote looks quite bad.
I really wish I was scum, it'd make post-game far more bearable.
Yet we have, just half an hour earlier:
On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 19:23 Acrofales wrote:
Adam: if you're town, you're a selfish douche who is not playing in town's best interest. I will reevaluate you, but I really feel like policy lynching you for playing like this. I will now fight my instincts, because I don't think policy lyncing idiots is a good idea, but that's the way I feel right now. Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit. I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle. <snip>
Are you maybe a 3rd party?
Regarding Keirathi, I'm waiting for his promised activity before I proceed on him.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
I was surprised because I thought for sure Adam wanted me for a duel, not Keir. Is that so hard to believe?
And no, I haven't been suspicious of Keir. I don't have a wealth of games to draw my metas from like some of these other vets, and I don't think he has done anything super scummy other than be a little inactive. However, once he got called out for a duel, I put aside my previous views and launched a full investigation anyway. And guess what? I didn't find much :X
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On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
anyone. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf
What is your conclusion?
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Thinking about the setup a bit more, I can absolutely imagine the existence of a 3rd party who has to duel X times and survive. While it's a complete deus ex machina for explaining Adam's behaviour, it DOES in fact fit.
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On February 27 2013 11:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
anyone. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf What is your conclusion?
that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. keir's actual alignment probably doesn't even factor into it. town dienosore should not be looking at someone who hardcore lurked and only introduced 1 unique point to the thread and seeing them as not scummy.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town.
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On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:50 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
anyone. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf What is your conclusion? that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. keir's actual alignment probably doesn't even factor into it. town dienosore should not be looking at someone who hardcore lurked and only introduced 1 unique point to the thread and seeing them as not scummy.
i approve of this post.
i change my mind again on thrawn.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
[B]On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir.
Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it.
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On February 27 2013 12:01 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it.
because he isn't doing anything and it doesn't look like he cares about the game.....
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On February 27 2013 12:02 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:01 Dienosore wrote:[B]On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it. because he isn't doing anything and it doesn't look like he cares about the game.....
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@Thrawn:
It's pretty clear why I didn't vote for Adam -- I explain it right at the end of my post. Because this format works off instant majority and not a time frame, there is no way to unvote out of a majority should something big come up that shakes everything up. I would rather wait for everyone to chime in before I place my actual vote, because if I contribute to an instant majority, I basically let half of town get out of this entire cycle without having to make a stake on anything.
So yes, my vote will be on Adam, but not yet.
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On February 27 2013 11:57 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town.
So by your logic, a scum Adam, that was under zero pressure, not in danger of being lynched at all, decides to call a duel on a semi-lurker and put himself up for a lynch as a result?
When my alternative, as scum, would have been to sit back and let everyone else go at it and stay out of the limelight.
Think about why I am doing this and what my alternatives were. There's only one smart answer and a stack of dumb ones. I've said it a dozen times now.
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On February 27 2013 12:01 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it.
keir has done fuck all this game........ that is something which is generally regarded as suspicious behavior. his only 2 reads so far are on
1) Adam: this read is entirely based on that one issue of whether not adam is maliciously trying to gain town cred
2) thrawn: he's only supported this read with meta. it is not very difficult for anyone to call out a lurker. when I called hiim out asking him to duel, he said he would but he didn't seem enthusiastic or eager to do so.... which if were town, thinking that I'm scum, he would be eager to duel his scum read
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On February 27 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote:
@Thrawn:
It's pretty clear why I didn't vote for Adam -- I explain it right at the end of my post. Because this format works off instant majority and not a time frame, there is no way to unvote out of a majority should something big come up that shakes everything up. I would rather wait for everyone to chime in before I place my actual vote, because if I contribute to an instant majority, I basically let half of town get out of this entire cycle without having to make a stake on anything.
So yes, my vote will be on Adam, but not yet.
zare if you are town, remember the most recent newbie. what happens when people are scared to vote and to push their reads? 3 vote lynches happen. You are obviously nowhere near hammering adam so there's no need for you to wait on the thread first. If adam has 6 votes and you're scared he might get hammered prematurely you can always remove your vote. there's no reason not to vote unless you are the hammer vote.
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On February 27 2013 12:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:01 Dienosore wrote:[B]On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it. keir has done fuck all this game........ that is something which is generally regarded as suspicious behavior. his only 2 reads so far are on 1) Adam: this read is entirely based on that one issue of whether not adam is maliciously trying to gain town cred 2) thrawn: he's only supported this read with meta. it is not very difficult for anyone to call out a lurker. when I called hiim out asking him to duel, he said he would but he didn't seem enthusiastic or eager to do so.... which if were town, thinking that I'm scum, he would be eager to duel his scum read
Is Keir more scummy than Sylencia or Snarfs?
And can't you say the exact same thing about Adam -- he basically only had 2 reads, and they were Dieno and Keir?
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On February 27 2013 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote:
@Thrawn:
It's pretty clear why I didn't vote for Adam -- I explain it right at the end of my post. Because this format works off instant majority and not a time frame, there is no way to unvote out of a majority should something big come up that shakes everything up. I would rather wait for everyone to chime in before I place my actual vote, because if I contribute to an instant majority, I basically let half of town get out of this entire cycle without having to make a stake on anything.
So yes, my vote will be on Adam, but not yet. zare if you are town, remember the most recent newbie. what happens when people are scared to vote and to push their reads? 3 vote lynches happen. You are obviously nowhere near hammering adam so there's no need for you to wait on the thread first. If adam has 6 votes and you're scared he might get hammered prematurely you can always remove your vote. there's no reason not to vote unless you are the hammer vote.
This is completely different, I'll vote when I want, and I'm not going to get into a policy discussion with you.
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On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:50 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote:Keirathi + Show Spoiler +
Timeline:
- disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will'
- says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread
- puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado
- tries to advance our dueling policy
- says he is willing to duel Thrawn
- argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy
- gets called out by Adam
- general defending
Summary:
As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything.
anyone. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf What is your conclusion? that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. keir's actual alignment probably doesn't even factor into it. town dienosore should not be looking at someone who hardcore lurked and only introduced 1 unique point to the thread and seeing them as not scummy.
The main question is: is Dieno capable of making coherent cases? I was looking over PU and it is the worst possible game to try and read back into. It is clear from his filter that Risen, at least, was not convinced by his scumhunting. Nevertheless, his reads when he died were on 3 scum. The 3 completely obvious scums, but scum all the same.
If I recall from CT, his maps were not useful, but he was actively analysing in a coherent manner and not missing obvious shit like Keirathi being virtually AFK. Insofar as I know, Dieno has never rolled scum. It could be as simple as that.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
@Adam: If you really were under zero pressure and not in danger of a lynch, then why not let Thrawn and Keirathi duel it out? I'm 95% sure that's the way the duel was heading until you jumped in. Why put yourself in danger like this?
@Thrawn: Adam has made an equal number of reads this game. Considering how the duelers are pretty similar in this regard, I don't see how their volume has anything to do with determining their alignment in this situation.
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