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Other people would like to know why you're not interested in talking about Corazon, as well.
I've made some points about Mocsta here, here, and here. TestSubject has commented on Mocsta, and is making an association between him and Corazon.
I'll follow up on this if I can find anything else worth mentioning, but others need to put some effort in as well, instead of just bitching about how there's too much setup speculation (when we have a goddamn blue claim and SK claim in the same day) and too little scumhunting (seems hypocritical to me).
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Why don't you read my last will; everything you need to know about my reads is contained there.
Unlike you, my reads this game are based on *Actual* in-game behaviour.
Not meta based on roles or situations that do not apply this game. Seems to me you're taking a very convenient route of trying to contribute, without (guess-what...).. contributing
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On February 15 2013 13:39 warbaby wrote:
To put it another way, Mocsta, do you feel like lynching a semi-active town over a really shaky meta case is indicative of good scumhunting? When there were other more legit lurkers to lynch?
What scumreads did you come out of it with? Me? Anybody else?
I cant help but feel this was actually written rhetorically.
I will share with you this:
Pressuring 10 people; allows a majority to escape with no comment.
Pressuring 3 people; still allows a majority to escape with no comment.
Fact: It is hard almost impossible to pressure multiple people effectively at the same time.
If you can not piece two and two together, which I suspect: Ruminate on this.
Many points have been addressed to you regarding your scummy-ish antics throughout all cycles of the game.
You have not answered any of them sufficiently; this is nothing new so far.
Your play is full of OMGUS and flaming others, even though you promised not to sink so low.
So yes, you are my priority target for pressure. Thats called good play.
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WB I'm sick of you playing so emotional this game. This post just reeks of being emotional and sheeping on Testsubject's momentum:
On February 15 2013 07:48 warbaby wrote:
About corazon - he spent all D1 tunneling me, for what I consider to be a weak case. TestSubject just pointed out Corazon's will, and I find one other thing interesting here. Corazon says "You all know my thoughts about WB. I’m going to lay off for a little bit and pursue other reads (if I survive)." Has he done this at all? No, most of his posts after his will concern me or explaining his vote on glurio.
Not only was this completely and utterly false, it's you trying to find superficial ways to slam me while I'm already trying to fight off an attack from Testsubject.
Your emotionalness got you mislynched last game, how hard are you trying to keep it under control in this one? If you are town you need to stop posting superficial statements and making emotional quips everytime you come under pressure.
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On February 15 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:WB I'm sick of you playing so emotional this game. This post just reeks of being emotional and sheeping on Testsubject's momentum: Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:48 warbaby wrote:
About corazon - he spent all D1 tunneling me, for what I consider to be a weak case. TestSubject just pointed out Corazon's will, and I find one other thing interesting here. Corazon says "You all know my thoughts about WB. I’m going to lay off for a little bit and pursue other reads (if I survive)." Has he done this at all? No, most of his posts after his will concern me or explaining his vote on glurio. Not only was this completely and utterly false, it's you trying to find superficial ways to slam me while I'm already trying to fight off an attack from Testsubject. Your emotionalness got you mislynched last game, how hard are you trying to keep it under control in this one? If you are town you need to stop posting superficial statements and making emotional quips everytime you come under pressure.
How was that false? Link me the posts you made since then about players other than me.
You can't say something is factually false if you don't have facts to prove so.
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On February 14 2013 09:48 Mocsta wrote:People I would spend time pressuring Day2: + Show Spoiler [Testsubject (2nd new guy)] +
Give him 24hrs to read the 40 pages; by then, he better have a scum read, otherwise it might be pertinent to discuss a policy lynch.
I re-read his filter; and this guy just flip flops constantly and tries to join whatever bandwagon he can. He is also constantly referencing old-games; either himself as town, or me as scum. I judge people by their actions in-game; he seems to be avoiding this, as when he even admits 'he doesnt have strong opinions" middle of Day1, and what has been shared since then, seems to be the same.He is still one of my strongest scum reads
This guy has not done much all game, other than offer excuse after excuse. I have not seen anything that I interpret as town aligned; so he is null for me. That is the problem; I would expect by Day2, people have offered enough to be towny, or scummy. Why is he in the middle? This guy needs to be put in the interrogation room, like NOW!
Need I say more? This guy has shown glimmers of trying to figure out the game, and then does the oddest shit from that.
- Put a defense on warbaby by attacking me (The case was refuted easily)
- Gives a non-chalant response towards the mislynch.
- The case of Corazon reads as if there is no conviction. Which is surprising; why make the case if you do not believe in it? Surely this isnt another Glurio trying to claim a "zarepath" experiment.
- Another weird thing with Geript is his opening vote on warbaby; as an "experiment" yet when I come after warbaby, he jumps straight in to be warbaby knight in shining armour
So these are your scum reads, Mocsta? 50% of them are lurkers or weren't even in the game yet. So you've got a scum read on me, and a dead town.
Why are you still ignoring my questions on what you think about Corazon? You did not mention him at all in your "Last Will", even though he was on the wagon with you D1.
Our only (probably) confirmed town, TestSubject, is asking you about Corazon. You really need to respond to me, or him.
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These are the posts that I've made that include your name since I said I was done attacking you until you decided that I was attacking you still.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, I'd like to add that you thinking WB is town and that I am scum for tunneling someone you think is town is ridiculously WIFOM based. I did the same thing (except in the opposite direction) and I was called out for it by Sn0. I'm doing the same to you now. It's possible for two townies to be tunneling each other (see Acid and WB in the last NMM). On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad.
Please tell me where I attack you at all in these posts. Not posting about other players (because by the time I got back OO had been ousted as SK) does not mean I am attacking you still.
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On February 15 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:These are the posts that I've made that include your name since I said I was done attacking you until you decided that I was attacking you still. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, I'd like to add that you thinking WB is town and that I am scum for tunneling someone you think is town is ridiculously WIFOM based. I did the same thing (except in the opposite direction) and I was called out for it by Sn0. I'm doing the same to you now. It's possible for two townies to be tunneling each other (see Acid and WB in the last NMM). On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. Please tell me where I attack you at all in these posts. Not posting about other players (because by the time I got back OO had been ousted as SK) does not mean I am attacking you still.
I'm not saying you're not attacking me (although you just started again), I'm saying you not doing anythig except talk about me.
You need to hunt more than 1 scum.
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On February 15 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:These are the posts that I've made that include your name since I said I was done attacking you until you decided that I was attacking you still. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, I'd like to add that you thinking WB is town and that I am scum for tunneling someone you think is town is ridiculously WIFOM based. I did the same thing (except in the opposite direction) and I was called out for it by Sn0. I'm doing the same to you now. It's possible for two townies to be tunneling each other (see Acid and WB in the last NMM). On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. Please tell me where I attack you at all in these posts. Not posting about other players ( because by the time I got back OO had been ousted as SK) does not mean I am attacking you still.
I'm not giving out scum reads because at this point OO is going to be lynched and it would be useless to make a case against someone else as the case would not lead to a lynch (for example, I made my case on you 5 hours into D1 and after a couple of hours it did not go anywhere else).
So again, not posting about other players does not mean I am attacking you still. Stop being so emotional.
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On February 15 2013 14:11 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:These are the posts that I've made that include your name since I said I was done attacking you until you decided that I was attacking you still. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, I'd like to add that you thinking WB is town and that I am scum for tunneling someone you think is town is ridiculously WIFOM based. I did the same thing (except in the opposite direction) and I was called out for it by Sn0. I'm doing the same to you now. It's possible for two townies to be tunneling each other (see Acid and WB in the last NMM). On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. Please tell me where I attack you at all in these posts. Not posting about other players (because by the time I got back OO had been ousted as SK) does not mean I am attacking you still. I'm not saying you're not attacking me (although you just started again), I'm saying you not doing anythig except talk about me. You need to hunt more than 1 scum.
I'm not saying you're not attacking me
Double negatives...
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On February 15 2013 14:13 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:These are the posts that I've made that include your name since I said I was done attacking you until you decided that I was attacking you still. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, I'd like to add that you thinking WB is town and that I am scum for tunneling someone you think is town is ridiculously WIFOM based. I did the same thing (except in the opposite direction) and I was called out for it by Sn0. I'm doing the same to you now. It's possible for two townies to be tunneling each other (see Acid and WB in the last NMM). On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. Please tell me where I attack you at all in these posts. Not posting about other players ( because by the time I got back OO had been ousted as SK) does not mean I am attacking you still. I'm not giving out scum reads because at this point OO is going to be lynched and it would be useless to make a case against someone else as the case would not lead to a lynch (for example, I made my case on you 5 hours into D1 and after a couple of hours it did not go anywhere else). So again, not posting about other players does not mean I am attacking you still. Stop being so emotional.
Just because we all want to lynch OO doesn't mean we will never lynch anybody again! Why are you giving up?
I'm making a case on Mocsta. Obviously I'm not going to try to lynch him today, but that's not going to stop me from starting to make a case.
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On February 15 2013 14:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 14:11 warbaby wrote:On February 15 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:These are the posts that I've made that include your name since I said I was done attacking you until you decided that I was attacking you still. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, I'd like to add that you thinking WB is town and that I am scum for tunneling someone you think is town is ridiculously WIFOM based. I did the same thing (except in the opposite direction) and I was called out for it by Sn0. I'm doing the same to you now. It's possible for two townies to be tunneling each other (see Acid and WB in the last NMM). On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad. Please tell me where I attack you at all in these posts. Not posting about other players (because by the time I got back OO had been ousted as SK) does not mean I am attacking you still. I'm not saying you're not attacking me (although you just started again), I'm saying you not doing anythig except talk about me. You need to hunt more than 1 scum. I'm not saying you're not attacking me Double negatives...
Yes, sorry, i meant to say "i'm not saying you're attacking me"
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Agreed. Corazon
its like warbaby is planning for Night phase already... why else would he seek this information at this point in the game?
warbaby
Why are you just asking about corazon... instead you choose to "ignore" I made no metnion of Sn0_Man or Sylencia either?
Stop being tunneled; stop flaming; and ffs stop OMGUS
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On February 15 2013 11:22 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote:
corazon are you really going to keep us in suspense for who you're voting?
The vote is essentially majority now; are we able to shorten the cycle to say: 30hrs (or now); Pretty Puh-lease ? I'm not sure. Do you want me to delay my case until N2 or do you want me to give me thoughts now? I feel like cases lose traction after a day if the person does not get lynched...
Warbaby. I want an honest opinion. This is about the third time I've asked you this:
Do you read any of my posts that don't have your name in it?
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On February 15 2013 14:23 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 11:22 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 15 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote:
corazon are you really going to keep us in suspense for who you're voting?
The vote is essentially majority now; are we able to shorten the cycle to say: 30hrs (or now); Pretty Puh-lease ? I'm not sure. Do you want me to delay my case until N2 or do you want me to give me thoughts now? I feel like cases lose traction after a day if the person does not get lynched... Warbaby. I want an honest opinion. This is about the third time I've asked you this: Do you read any of my posts that don't have your name in it?
Yes, of course. How can you accuse me of being emotional when you ask me a question like this?
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On February 15 2013 14:24 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 14:23 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 15 2013 11:22 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 15 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote:
corazon are you really going to keep us in suspense for who you're voting?
The vote is essentially majority now; are we able to shorten the cycle to say: 30hrs (or now); Pretty Puh-lease ? I'm not sure. Do you want me to delay my case until N2 or do you want me to give me thoughts now? I feel like cases lose traction after a day if the person does not get lynched... Warbaby. I want an honest opinion. This is about the third time I've asked you this: Do you read any of my posts that don't have your name in it? Yes, of course. How can you accuse me of being emotional when you ask me a question like this?
Cause you say all of this shit and either I've answered it before or you throw my posts was out of context or twist my words...
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EBWOP: Throw my posts way out of context
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On February 15 2013 14:17 warbaby wrote:
I'm making a case on Mocsta. Obviously I'm not going to try to lynch him today, but that's not going to stop me from starting to make a case.
On February 11 2013 09:43 warbaby wrote:I'd like to post basically the same thing I did at the beginning of NMM 36. Hopefully these simple points will help create a constructive town atmosphere.
Another fail from warbaby this game. Another broken promise. Keep up the OMGUS warbaby
Heres a tip;
stop trying to posture like you're all pro-town and sprouting "i'm making a case"
You either make a case; or you don't.
Once again, warbaby always cares about the town image he is trying to gather, rather than the action itself....
*I wonder what that means...* /sarcasm
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When I look at your filter since the start of N1, the large majority of it is explaining your vote on glurio, and talking about me. I'm sorry, but that's just how it looks to me. Even in posts where you mention other people, you mention me as well.
Do you need me to link every post you've made since D1 end, and do a statistical analysis of how many mention something other than me and your D1 vote? It won't look good...
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On February 15 2013 14:28 warbaby wrote:
When I look at your filter since the start of N1, the large majority of it is explaining your vote on glurio, and talking about me. I'm sorry, but that's just how it looks to me. Even in posts where you mention other people, you mention me as well.
Do you need me to link every post you've made since D1 end, and do a statistical analysis of how many mention something other than me and your D1 vote? It won't look good...
EBWOP: this was addressed at Corazon.
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