EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXVII - Page 63
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ObviousOne
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 14:28 warbaby wrote: Do you need me to link every post you've made since D1 end, and do a statistical analysis of how many mention something other than me and your D1 vote? It won't look good... On February 15 2013 14:32 Mocsta wrote: So. because you're my scum read, I can't pressure you. Is that how this goes? On February 15 2013 14:37 warbaby wrote: You can pressure me all you want. Based on your will, you plan to pressure a dead town, a living (probably) confirmed blue, mandalor, and myself. On February 15 2013 14:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Of course, Sylencia is the one and only scum...right? On February 15 2013 14:46 warbaby wrote: Your association with Mocsta. Basically, since Mocsta refuses to analyze you, still, it makes you both look scummy. Mocsta analyzed other people in his will but skipped you. I believe TestSubject asked Mocsta to comment on you, while analyzing Mocsta's will. I have asked Mocsta to comment on you. Why does he refuse? I already explained why I don’t see a need to talk about Corazon. I don’t see him as scum, why is it so hard to accept that. And if you want examples of double standards warbaby: try this Zarepath also gave a list of reads to push Day2 On February 14 2013 04:10 zarepath wrote: I don’t see you querying him; its only me.. *how curious*Zarepath's Reads In conclusion, people I think are suspicious and would like other's thoughts on: Sevryn Warbaby Mandalor Sylencia Obv and 9-Bit's replacement also deserve scrutiny. But right now my two biggest reads are Sylencia and Mandalor. I think people should look at my brief reads on them, read their filters, and I want to hear your own conclusions. On February 14 2013 08:04 cDgCorazon wrote: My Last Will Warbaby- Geript- WoS- Syl/Mandalor/Sevryn/OO/Testsubject(Basically everyone who fit how Glurio was playing)- Again warbaby, convenient double standards You are exhibiting clear fallacies where logic that applies to one person making them "scum" is not applicable to others demonstrating identical behaviour. Some prefer to term it "tunneling" Good luck with your case. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 14:57 ObviousOne wrote: Warbaby is the easiest case to make in this game. Well, outside of the Obvious. With me WB and Zare heading towards death theres just gonna be ten pages of Mocsta and Cora agreeing with each other LOL. Jenga what.. zare? why? do you know something we dont? | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 15 2013 14:57 ObviousOne wrote: Warbaby is the easiest case to make in this game. Well, outside of the Obvious. With me WB and Zare heading towards death theres just gonna be ten pages of Mocsta and Cora agreeing with each other LOL. Jenga Lol. I almost feel bad we have to kill you. Heading to bed now. Obviously I'm not going to respond to Mocsta right now, it would be fruitless since I've riled him up trying to make a case on him and corazon. Mocsta, I'm not even trying to pressure you. Don't take it personally, I just think you're scum (and at this point I've explained why in a lot of detail, so if anybody else wants to know why, check my filter). I don't want to antagonize you. I don't want you to antagonize me. Nothing good will come of that. Like I've said before, you're free to make cases on me, and you can try to pressure me all you want. I'm also free to make cases on you. Good night  | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:19 cDgCorazon wrote: The fact that it took him 20 minutes to respond and then decides to ignore me in his last post suggests to me that he looked through our filters and realized that I was right...typical WB... I believe your point was that in the association between you and Mocsta, Mocsta looks scummier. I agree, but I didn't realize I had to state so explicitly. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:19 cDgCorazon wrote: The fact that it took him 20 minutes to respond and then decides to ignore me in his last post suggests to me that he looked through our filters and realized that I was right...typical WB... Its actually funnier that I hit him with a very valid point (double standards on last will reads) and now he runs off to "bed"... as i said before, at least he admitted today he was OMGUS | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:20 warbaby wrote: I believe your point was that in the association between you and Mocsta, Mocsta looks scummier. I agree, but I didn't realize I had to state so explicitly. Nope. that wasnt the point at all. He actually stated, neither of us have talked about each other much. and in the past hour since its been you, I and him.. him and I happen to agree (on you) You're the one looking for associations that don't exist. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote: Its actually funnier that I hit him with a very valid point (double standards on last will reads) and now he runs off to "bed"... as i said before, at least he admitted today he was OMGUS Sorry, my case is not OMGUS, it is based on meta, voting patterns, and associations. I'm also following up with points TestSubject made, which I agree with. It's not a great case, like I already pointed out. You don't need to defend yourself from me, you need to go hunt scum. I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you, Mocsta. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:30 warbaby wrote: Sorry, my case is not OMGUS, it is based on meta, voting patterns, and associations. I'm also following up with points TestSubject made, which I agree with. It's not a great case, like I already pointed out. You don't need to defend yourself from me, you need to go hunt scum. I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you, Mocsta. Right... so when you ask me questions.. apparently you are scum hunting. and when I ask you questions.. "i need to go hunt scum" Lol; | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote: Nope. that wasnt the point at all. He actually stated, neither of us have talked about each other much. and in the past hour since its been you, I and him.. him and I happen to agree (on you) You're the one looking for associations that don't exist. No Mocsta, I said that I haven't been talking about you, you have been talking about me more. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:42 cDgCorazon wrote: No Mocsta, I said that I haven't been talking about you, you have been talking about me more. What am I supposed to do when I guy continually says, why haven't you been talking about corazon? Anyways I dont think your scum; so whats the problem if I agreed on a few points with you? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:48 Mocsta wrote: What am I supposed to do when I guy continually says, why haven't you been talking about corazon? Anyways I dont think your scum; so whats the problem if I agreed on a few points with you? It just seems like you have been trying a bit too hard to associate yourself with me. Obviously I'm not shouting "burn the witch", but I believe that you are the main reason (obviously things I've done haven't helped) that all this association shit is going on. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 15:58 cDgCorazon wrote: It just seems like you have been trying a bit too hard to associate yourself with me. Obviously I'm not shouting "burn the witch", but I believe that you are the main reason (obviously things I've done haven't helped) that all this association shit is going on. Going to disagree here. I have have never had a problem saying to others when I agree. As a corollary, I never have a problem saying to others I disagree. If anything, I have *not* been discussing you. Keep It Simple Stupid: As stated before, I have a town read on you. The goal of this game is to find scum; not have a townie love fest. The only person I spoke about being town was TestSubject (as he was essentially confirmed) Below is a recap of what happened; because I think you have misinterpreted events (1) TestUser was very interested in you; and noticed I made no reference of you in the last will. (ignoring, there were several others I made no mention of either) (2)you, myself and warbaby have been online the past couple hours. He decided to latch onto TestUser query above, as a basis for his association theory. (I think he also referenced us both hunting him) In the process of our menagetrois, you said some things I agreed with. After all, both of us took issue with warbaby around the same time... i didnt realise it was unnatural or scummy to say when you agree with a comment. I dont see how mafia experience is relevant to that either. So in short; the only person perpetuating association claims is warbaby. And its pretty obvious right now he will take a stab at anything. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 15 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote: Going to disagree here. I have have never had a problem saying to others when I agree. As a corollary, I never have a problem saying to others I disagree. If anything, I have *not* been discussing you. Keep It Simple Stupid: As stated before, I have a town read on you. The goal of this game is to find scum; not have a townie love fest. The only person I spoke about being town was TestSubject (as he was essentially confirmed) Below is a recap of what happened; because I think you have misinterpreted events (1) TestUser was very interested in you; and noticed I made no reference of you in the last will. (ignoring, there were several others I made no mention of either) (2)you, myself and warbaby have been online the past couple hours. He decided to latch onto TestUser query above, as a basis for his association theory. (I think he also referenced us both hunting him) In the process of our menagetrois, you said some things I agreed with. After all, both of us took issue with warbaby around the same time... i didnt realise it was unnatural or scummy to say when you agree with a comment. I dont see how mafia experience is relevant to that either. So in short; the only person perpetuating association claims is warbaby. And its pretty obvious right now he will take a stab at anything. So do you think there is a part in TestUser's case that I haven't addressed that I should? Or do you think this association thing is a result a logical fallacy in TU's case (one way or the other when it comes to the whole "association" thing). | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 15 2013 16:26 cDgCorazon wrote: I actually rechecked TestUser filter and realised the question didnt come derive from my last will.So do you think there is a part in TestUser's case that I haven't addressed that I should? Or do you think this association thing is a result a logical fallacy in TU's case (one way or the other when it comes to the whole "association" thing). On February 15 2013 06:05 TestSubject893 wrote: He was scum hunting (thought corazon was scum), and asked a fair question.Also this post + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2013 12:35 Mocsta wrote: hmmm, Corazon hasnt been on my mind to be honest; I think someone made a case (?Geript IIRC) - which I guess is suspect, knowing that that OO killed WoS no matter alignment. I can look into it; but I still want more information from zarepath first. this SK dilemna has clouded the thread somewhat (deserving though albeit) so things like my questions to zarepath are buried. Taking a break regardless But it was a misinterpretation as stated below. On February 15 2013 06:52 Mocsta wrote: (Test. i wasnt diverting from corazon... i asked questions to zarepath that had a chance to be buried, it was about bringing them back to the surface) Keep it Simple As I said before I dont see the point spending time talking about my town reads; im trying to scum hunt. As for your question about TestUser case; it doesnt come down to my opinion. Its up to you to convince TestUser of your alignment. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
If the case is based purely on voters on Glurio; than yes, I think it is founded on a fallacy. The votes were so split; but I believe it was ?Sn0_Man? that already explained by vote count analysis of this lynch is essentially useless. It was too spread out, and any takings from it is based on a "hunch". you need a flip to make associations; but this was all covered in NMM 33 if you recall. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
Mocsta, in response to + Show Spoiler [this] + On February 15 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote:(I think he also referenced us both hunting him) Unless I'm reading the time wrong, sevryn did not get back from work and post things in the thread, like he indicated he would here. I really hope he still plans to make a re-appearance before D2 is out. According to this post Mandlor should be back in a few hours? He asked for direct questions, but the best I can come up with is: Mandalor, who do you think is scum? He indicates here that he's not sold on me being scum; if he hasn't changed his mind, maybe he can help contribute to a scumhunt that includes players other than myself (again, feel free to hunt me, but let's hunt the other scum too). This post (and others) from Mandalor show a lot more effort than we've seen from sevryn or sylencia. I've pretty much given up on sylencia (not OMGUS, he's just still showing extremely minimal effort). To be honest sylencia almost seems scummier than anybody else in his game. Is he putting any effort into making cases or pressuring or doing anything at all, really? His claim that he was roleblocked might be redeeming, but it might also just be a lie. His filter is so barren. If he's town, he needs to help town more. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
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