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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
scum" so your potential scumslip would not be against the rules. It's funny how you make a mistake and then try to claim that it didn't happen because you wouldn't break the rules. If you are scum, you haven't broken any rules yet. Why are you trying to say that because scum slips are against the rules, yours wasn't a scum slip? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Off to bed. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
Town has a problem in this game. So far we've made two coordinated efforts: 1) Lynch the SK, 2) Lynch me. I'd hardly call the 3 votes on glurio a coordinated effort (at least not by town). So if we discuss nothing for the rest of D2, as Mocsta essentially suggests here by requesting an instant majority lynch on OO, and then we decide to lynch me D3, who are we (well, not me) going to lynch after that? If I do get lynched and flip town D3, town will have an ever bigger problem, since they've mislynched again. If I flip scum D3, is town going to gain any association-type information? Due to the constant hate train, I've basically been radioactive this whole game, so it's not like you'll see some blatant cooperative effort in my voting patterns and whatnot. Since I'm still being attacked some, I'll offer this defense: if I'm scum, wouldn't I have just shut up and let town lynch the SK? I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch the SK, I'm saying I refuse to give up the rest of D2 like Mocsta suggests. It's time town can spend hunting scum. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
1. Get used to losing sleep over mafia. Some even dream of mafia haha. Welcome to the club. 2. If u r tired as u indicate. I would contest your scum slip was genuine and is easily explained by a lapse in concentration. I think the counter of scum dont break the rules is weak at best and desparate at worst. 3. U r clutching at straws. Fact no one in general is talking. I find it convenient u choose to ignore my posts asking for activity and discussion Nice try warbaby and enjoy the scum dreams | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 15 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote: On phone will make 3 short points 1. Get used to losing sleep over mafia. Some even dream of mafia haha. Welcome to the club. 2. If u r tired as u indicate. I would contest your scum slip was genuine and is easily explained by a lapse in concentration. I think the counter of scum dont break the rules is weak at best and desparate at worst. 3. U r clutching at straws. Fact no one in general is talking. I find it convenient u choose to ignore my posts asking for activity and discussion Nice try warbaby and enjoy the scum dreams If my dreams are scummy, it's only cause you'll be in them~ On February 15 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote: corazon are you really going to keep us in suspense for who you're voting? The vote is essentially majority now; are we able to shorten the cycle to say: 30hrs (or now); Pretty Puh-lease ? Why would a town want to throw away part of the day cycle? Day belongs to town, it's when they hunt and lynch scum. "Oh but we're gonna lynch the SK/scum ObviousOne anyway" is a lame excuse. If we throw away the rest of D2 like Mocsta suggested, we're giving up any chance to actually hunt scum. Why would a town ever want less time to hunt scum? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
If town was actively conversing than yes. Keep the cycle full. But don't try and bullshit me as if lots of flowing conversation occurred. P.s. thanks for ignoring my succinct reasoning for your scum slip. Do u always cherry pick what you respond to? | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 15 2013 18:45 Mocsta wrote: Its actually a common occurrence to ask for shorter cycles when a lynch is universally agreed. If town was actively conversing than yes. Keep the cycle full. But don't try and bullshit me as if lots of flowing conversation occurred. P.s. thanks for ignoring my succinct reasoning for your scum slip. Do u always cherry pick what you respond to? It wasn't a scum slip, so I don't need to respond to your reasoning. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 15 2013 18:45 Mocsta wrote: Its actually a common occurrence to ask for shorter cycles when a lynch is universally agreed. Can you provide an example? I'd assume you can easily find an example if it's a common occurrence. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Mafia LIX we asked for shorter cycle. Normal Mini 4 I think we asked for shorter cycle. And those are my two most recent games. I think even nomination mafia we asked for shorter cycle IIRC - but that is on going so shouldnt discuss. Everything you say is based off poorly reasoned arguments, and rash conclusions founded upon no merit. Go to sleep; I am not bothering continuing discourse with you this cycle. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
warbaby (0): ObviousOne (9): TestSubject893, Mandalor (1): ObviousOne No vote (0): ObviousOne is currently set to be lynched. ~12.5 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
I really don't like the way Mocsta handled the questioning from WB about his opinions on Cora on pages 60-61. Corazon then jumps in and starts diverting attention away from Mocsta (be it on purpose or not). He then essentially implies that we shouldn't be discussing anything else for the rest of D2 + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 14:13 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not giving out scum reads because at this point OO is going to be lynched and it would be useless to make a case against someone else as the case would not lead to a lynch (for example, I made my case on you 5 hours into D1 and after a couple of hours it did not go anywhere else). So again, not posting about other players does not mean I am attacking you still. Stop being so emotional. On February 15 2013 18:45 Mocsta wrote: Its actually a common occurrence to ask for shorter cycles when a lynch is universally agreed. If town was actively conversing than yes. Keep the cycle full. But don't try and bullshit me as if lots of flowing conversation occurred. P.s. thanks for ignoring my succinct reasoning for your scum slip. Do u always cherry pick what you respond to? WB is trying to converse, but you and Corazon just keep insisting that we should not be. (Mocsta was addressing WB in this post) On February 15 2013 18:56 Mocsta wrote: Everything you say is based off poorly reasoned arguments, and rash conclusions founded upon no merit. I personally think that WB is asking reasonable questions (especially for a newbie game). The fact that no one is answering him is concerning to me. My conclusion from reading all this: Corazon is fishier than ever. He keeps deflecting all questioning with "I was tunneling WB and I admitted it already, leave me alone." even when that does not apply to the questioning. On top of that, he entirely ignored my post responding to his blatant attempt to defame me, although he was gone at the time I posted it, I still expected a response. I do think its likely that Mocsta and Corazon are scum buddies, but there's plenty of WIFOM to be had about Cora setting this situation up to bring Mocsta down with him, so I'm not quite ready to start killing people based on this part of the theory yet. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
warbaby
However; if you want to assume corazon and I are a team; I am going to have to stop you right there.. Firstly, the only reason association was brought up was because you were looking into corazon; and found it odd I did not want to concentrate on him. This has now been explained twice On February 15 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote: Again, why is that scum-alignment indicative? You are working off associations founded upon assumptions. Mafia is about flipping one player and then making the associations.If anything, I have *not* been discussing you. Keep It Simple Stupid: As stated before, I have a town read on you. The goal of this game is to find scum; not have a townie love fest. The only person I spoke about being town was TestSubject (as he was essentially confirmed) Lets work through the logic. Corazon flips town; then what? The entire association case falls apart; unless you are warbaby, then I become de facto scum. Anyone that targets warbaby is scum right... Corazon flips scum; again, then what? How does my interaction today prove I am in a scum team? (Simply, that evidence on it own does not; and fuck me if I am going to have my first mislynch under this condition) The same logic applies with me as the lynch candidate. Fact: One interaction does not make two people scum. If you were not 'essentially' confirmed town; I could say you and Sn0_Man are a scum team because of the glowing review you gave him.... But I didn't (and neither did others), because that is an illogical stance to assume - just like the situation present. Secondly, the only reason this item of association was re-raised was due to the misrepresentation of warbaby On February 15 2013 13:32 warbaby wrote: You say here that you haven't been thinking of Corazon much, but then when I search for "Corazon" if your full filter, I get 42 hits! Do you want to know why this is an example of misrepresentation?
In reality; I did not mention corazon much throughout Day1. Just as there are others that did not catch my attention. This is the way of a game of forum-mafia. I can go into anyone's filter and find people they have not questioned. What is the point, and why is this alignment indicative - without a red flip | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 15 2013 18:45 Mocsta wrote: Its actually a common occurrence to ask for shorter cycles when a lynch is universally agreed. If town was actively conversing than yes. Keep the cycle full. But don't try and bullshit me as if lots of flowing conversation occurred. P.s. thanks for ignoring my succinct reasoning for your scum slip. Do u always cherry pick what you respond to? On February 15 2013 22:19 TestSubject893 wrote: WB is trying to converse, but you and Corazon just keep insisting that we should not be. TestUser, can you please clarify who "we" is. I assume you imply town; if so, I am genuinely surprised by this; as I thought I was a proponent of town continuing scum hunting. Further, I am confused by the statement in general, even though it is written plain and simple. Are you inferring: that you disagree with the above comments I directed to warbaby? (Mocsta was addressing WB in this post) I personally think that WB is asking reasonable questions (especially for a newbie game). The fact that no one is answering him is concerning to me. If you think his questions are reasonable fine; I believe I addressed a majority of them regardless. However: What is concerning to me TestUser; is that you do not seem to notice (or case) warbaby is actually the one who blatantly ignores any criticisms/comments directed his way. I simply do not understand how when two people react, and exhibit the same behaviour; one is reasonable, the other becomes 'something else'? | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Somebody said that Mocsta/Cora/WB rushing to defend or attack Mocsta/Cora/WB was only meant to divert attention from Mocsta/Cora/WB... this is getting out of hand. None of you have attention diverted away from yourselves. By participating in this BS, attention is focused on YOU, and as town (and I assume at least one of you involved here is town), that is bad. We are looking at MYLO tomorrow, guys. TOMORROW. And we know almost nothing about the reads or opinions of MULTIPLE players: Sylencia Mandalor Sevryn Why are we so eager to let them do literally nothing today? | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:28 Mocsta wrote: However: What is concerning to me TestUser; is that you do not seem to notice (or case) warbaby is actually the one who blatantly ignores any criticisms/comments directed his way. I simply do not understand how when two people react, and exhibit the same behaviour; one is reasonable, the other becomes 'something else'? Quit ignoring empirical data. Why are you wasting any reasoning at all on TestUser? He claimed Tracker with no counterclaim and we'll know if he's a liar tonight. You're turning this into a schoolyard bicker. LOOK FOR SCUM, don't engage in juvenile wordplay games. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
If WB is scum, we should be able to tell from reasons other than him literally telling us he is scum. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
as for number two: I think its between mandalor or sylencia I have not liked mandalor most of the game (identified him in my last will) and this cycle asked him to produce some reads (with no response so far). I treated Sylencia as blue read early on (same reason as Sn0_Man).. but. considering his play has not picked up @ all i am now getting concerned. Even this cycle; his play is still *all* blue talk. I must admit i am starting to think its a ploy; because I certainly have not seen a strong scum read out of him - even though I asked him for one already. Between the two, I am more likely to suspect Sylencia. Because, he has shown he is still actively lurking; just selectively picking and choosing what he comments on. (this is a problem due to sharing no strong reads) On the other hand mandalor I ?think? said he was busy; which is a pretty convenient excuse, but I guess with the filter activity might be adding up? My thoughts on course of action; pressure both, figure out if mandalor is lying about being busy; and get Sylencia to disseminate some reads. Will be able to re-assess from there. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:47 zarepath wrote: Okay, looked at WB's supposed scum slip -- it comes from within a hypothetical scenario, so I don't see it as necessarily being a scum slip. If WB is scum, we should be able to tell from reasons other than him literally telling us he is scum. (Not sure if I am allowed to say this, because it might make you and I scum zarepath) but... Agreed; I dont build a case due to scum slips. Its simply icing on the cake. | ||
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