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On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with?
Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.
You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio.
Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that.
I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that.
I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch.
The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad.
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I'm easy-going. Never mind that I had a minor panic attack when Test's claim came up, no, don't you pay one bit of attention to that. Honestly I really just want to kill someone one more night. I would have great joy, and as Mocsta said, town CAN afford it. :D
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On February 15 2013 07:48 warbaby wrote:
About corazon - he spent all D1 tunneling me, for what I consider to be a weak case. TestSubject just pointed out Corazon's will, and I find one other thing interesting here. Corazon says "You all know my thoughts about WB. I’m going to lay off for a little bit and pursue other reads (if I survive)." Has he done this at all? No, most of his posts after his will concern me or explaining his vote on glurio.
I have not attacked you at all since I said that I was going to pursue other reads. Anything that I have mentioned your name in are me talking about "what if?" questions (what if I had voted for you), or have been in response to someone saying you are town and that I am scum because of it.
I have not said anything to attack you at all. Please don't give me that crap.
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I'm off to work. I'll be back in a few hours to answer any questions and to make a new case (that's not on WB).
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Could you please just ask me questions?
I don't know what to say really. I know I've been inactive for real reasons but I actually had time to read the thread for some time now. Other than voting for OO which is the only option to do now, I have nothing to say. There hasn't been any real insight in the last post in my eyes.
His whole buddying up with me ("Mandalor has the tools blabla") sounds more like scum to me than SK, but either way it's a good choice.
Honestly, I don't know what to say at this point. Please ask me questions. I'll be here for another hour and I'll be back in another 11.
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wait I didn't actually vote
##Vote: ObviousOne
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On February 15 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, like I already said, the wording of your posts and timing of your actions at the end of D1 and N1 just strike me as especially scummy. When we look at your actions alone, it amounts to nearly ideal mafia play if you can get away with it and the environment you posted your will in and the way it was worded just really jumped out at me as "Hey look at me, just another townie". I don't see that as WIFOM at all. Someone going out of their way to get town cred is scummy, there is no speculation or leveling here.
I'm not sure there's much you can say that will change my mind right now either. I understand you have given reasoning for your actions, but it all just lined up too well for me to not be suspicious still. We've got plenty of time before potentially lynching you, so for now you're just sitting at the top of my list. Convince me someone else is scummier if you want out of that spot.
As for me thinking WB is probably town being WIFOM, I don't really see that either. He strikes me as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into his strategy. That's really all that read comes down to.
So that brings me to a question for you. What did you think was WIFOM based about my argument to begin with? Well if there's literally nothing I can do to change your mind, that's called confirmation bias.You've said that my actions D1 and N1 have been scummy. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning to vote Glurio. Let's say I am scum. I've been tunneling WB (I'll admit it) almost all of D1. Why would I switch to Glurio so late and in such an obviously bad place if I were scum? Why would I go and cement the lynch of a townie when I could just sit on WB (assuming he is town/that I am scum) and everyone would be ok with that. I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him. Either that or you think I am scum, so WB is automatically town to you. Either way is just so much WIFOM, and failing to take into account that town does not know who the other towns are. Town wanting to vote out other towns is a possibility in this game, don't forget that. I called for the town to lynch an active voice, and no one responded to my call. As such, I was forced to choose between 2/3 sub-optimal lynches. I never said I was happy with the lynch. The problem I have with your argument (once again) is that you're only focusing on me and my vote when 2 other people contributed to lynch Glurio, and 5-6 votes were wasted. Please answer those questions as well, because I'm starting to get the feeling you are tunneling me and getting confirmation bias, which is bad.
First off, what you described is not confirmation bias. I am not taking new facts and interpreting them as support for my existing view point when they are not.
Here's your problem:
I'm saying your arguments are WIFOM is because you are saying WB is town, so I must be scum for going after him.
I never said this. In fact, that has nothing to do with why I think you're scum.
Let me take highlight this snippet from my longer post a few pages ago:
On February 15 2013 05:58 TestSubject893 wrote:
Corazon still has my eye as the scummiest player (other than OO). When I read through D1 I kept asking myself "how does this turn into a glurio lynch?". The answer was Corazon's vote. It made glurio the first to 3 votes, effectively guarenteeing that either glurio or sevryn would be lynched. I also read the begining of his N1 will as "Look at me, I'm town just like everyone else". The first part is just more long-winded than it needs to be, of course you think you can die tonight if you're town; there's no need to explain that.
Your will, in context, could have said "Guys, don't forget: I'm town.". The fact that you continue to ignore my repeated references to it is only worsening my opinion of you and it.
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On February 15 2013 07:57 Mandalor wrote:
Could you please just ask me questions?
I don't know what to say really. I know I've been inactive for real reasons but I actually had time to read the thread for some time now. Other than voting for OO which is the only option to do now, I have nothing to say. There hasn't been any real insight in the last post in my eyes.
His whole buddying up with me ("Mandalor has the tools blabla") sounds more like scum to me than SK, but either way it's a good choice.
Honestly, I don't know what to say at this point. Please ask me questions. I'll be here for another hour and I'll be back in another 11.
On February 15 2013 06:52 Mocsta wrote:
An an aside; I am starting to really not like Mandalor; pretty shitty filter AND not scum hunting from what I saw.
Mandalor
Please share top scum read; why; and lead some pressure
I want to see a case too, if you don't mind -says more about you then the target.
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On February 15 2013 08:05 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 07:57 Mandalor wrote:
Could you please just ask me questions?
I don't know what to say really. I know I've been inactive for real reasons but I actually had time to read the thread for some time now. Other than voting for OO which is the only option to do now, I have nothing to say. There hasn't been any real insight in the last post in my eyes.
His whole buddying up with me ("Mandalor has the tools blabla") sounds more like scum to me than SK, but either way it's a good choice.
Honestly, I don't know what to say at this point. Please ask me questions. I'll be here for another hour and I'll be back in another 11. Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 06:52 Mocsta wrote:
An an aside; I am starting to really not like Mandalor; pretty shitty filter AND not scum hunting from what I saw.
Mandalor
Please share top scum read; why; and lead some pressure
I want to see a case too, if you don't mind -says more about you then the target.
It's not buddying. I got the impression you were smart. Maybe I was wrong.
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We're coming up on 24 hours through the day and no real progress. I can see why Sn0 would say what he said.
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Apparently Mandalor was not interested in sharing....
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On February 15 2013 07:50 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm easy-going. Never mind that I had a minor panic attack when Test's claim came up, no, don't you pay one bit of attention to that. Honestly I really just want to kill someone one more night. I would have great joy, and as Mocsta said, town CAN afford it. :D
Quote where i said that biatche.
I said i recommend to lynch your lying muda farking ass.
Still believe that
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You're just jelly I got SK and you got VT =]
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Just so u Know.
Ur dead rigjt.
Pregame i wanted SK so bad
still want it lol sigh
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Yeah I saw that when I first subbed the thread. I found it ironic someone would drop with the coolest role in the game. Little did I know TWO people with cool roles dropped. Sour about life =[
I think I can handle a question or two that you can verify against my SK flip if you want to run some things by me. I'm not really as invested in the thread and re-reading now that I'm for certain deadski but I won't mind helping town in this case because you're so damn lucky I was ousted N1. Short and sweet tidbits would be best, you can throw them all in one post if you want so we don't clutter up the thread. One-time offer per player. Expires when I die!
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On February 15 2013 06:09 warbaby wrote:
Note that there is only a mafia roleblocker. If sylencia is not lying, there will still be a mafia roleblocker on N2 (unless we lynch the mafia roleblocker today).
Scum slip ? ?
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Two words do not an analysis make. WB is obviously going to answer no (there is no other correct answer to give) so you should probably rethink your query.
Or are you asking us or telling us it's a scum slip?
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On February 15 2013 07:41 warbaby wrote:
Sevryn and sylencia - filter is still not very significant, but they've picked things up since D1 in terms of effort. I hope they continue this trend because we're nearly 4 (real time) days into the game and neither have given us a lot to work with.
Looks like I was wrong 
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How is it possible to say for certain that there's only a mafia roleblocker, when we don't know if it was a JK or a RB?
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On February 15 2013 09:16 Sylencia wrote:
How is it possible to say for certain that there's only a mafia roleblocker, when we don't know if it was a JK or a RB?
Roleblocker
Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Roleblocks work on both active and passive abilities, but block only one ability. Active abilities will be prioritized over passive abilities.
Jailkeeper
Every night you may choose one person to jail. You will protect them from 1 KP and prevent them using any role they might have. Neither you nor your target will be informed of successful saves.
I assumed you being informed that you were blocked meant there was an RB, since JK does not mention informing the target that they were blocked. I could be wrong about this assumption, though.
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